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Posted 2/18/09 , edited 2/18/09

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you said that what you teach in this world will continue but you will not know if it really continues or it stops because you are dead and dead people are just dead. but if you believe you would know what happened because you are still alive but not in this world. i mean so what if your legacy continues? your dead

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who cares about your legacy? would you care? no you'd be to dead to care even know about it, its seems so stupid to act smart but really your not


Wow, no patience. You're probably trolling, but whatever. Something for the other readers to analyze.
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you said that what you teach in this world will continue but you will not know if it really continues or it stops because you are dead and dead people are just dead. but if you believe you would know what happened because you are still alive but not in this world. i mean so what if your legacy continues? your dead

How do I know my legacy will continue? By example. I know things about my great grandparents and ancestors through my parents and family history; I know, in a general sense, what kind of personality they possessed and what kind of sacrifices they made. There are teachers in my life that taught me things that I will never forget to the day I die and I will probably continue to spread what they taught me through my actions and behaviors. In that sense, if the teacher dies, do I suddenly forget everything they taught me? No. Henceforth, I know that even if I die, based on my actions within my existence.

You put too much emphasis on death and not on what is done before death.


so? who cares about your family
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Posted 2/18/09

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makix wrote:


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you said that what you teach in this world will continue but you will not know if it really continues or it stops because you are dead and dead people are just dead. but if you believe you would know what happened because you are still alive but not in this world. i mean so what if your legacy continues? your dead

How do I know my legacy will continue? By example. I know things about my great grandparents and ancestors through my parents and family history; I know, in a general sense, what kind of personality they possessed and what kind of sacrifices they made. There are teachers in my life that taught me things that I will never forget to the day I die and I will probably continue to spread what they taught me through my actions and behaviors. In that sense, if the teacher dies, do I suddenly forget everything they taught me? No. Henceforth, I know that even if I die, based on my actions within my existence.

You put too much emphasis on death and not on what is done before death.


so? who cares about your family


hahaha, yeah i agree who would care? who would care if you killed someone or if you did some good deed, in a matter of years all of it would have been forgotten, and that it is retarded to think that your legacy will last for ever, who are you? the president of the U.S? Hercules? all that you will do will be forgotten trust me
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makix wrote:


-IRONMAN- wrote:


makix wrote:


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you said that what you teach in this world will continue but you will not know if it really continues or it stops because you are dead and dead people are just dead. but if you believe you would know what happened because you are still alive but not in this world. i mean so what if your legacy continues? your dead

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who cares about your legacy? would you care? no you'd be to dead to care even know about it, its seems so stupid to act smart but really your not


Wow, no patience. You're probably trolling, but whatever. Something for the other readers to analyze.


its normal for a person to lose patience you know, people make mistakes and i just did, its not really important if i lose patience or not, and i don't think your legacy will be that of an importance to you who is dead
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makix wrote:


-IRONMAN- wrote:
you said that what you teach in this world will continue but you will not know if it really continues or it stops because you are dead and dead people are just dead. but if you believe you would know what happened because you are still alive but not in this world. i mean so what if your legacy continues? your dead

How do I know my legacy will continue? By example. I know things about my great grandparents and ancestors through my parents and family history; I know, in a general sense, what kind of personality they possessed and what kind of sacrifices they made. There are teachers in my life that taught me things that I will never forget to the day I die and I will probably continue to spread what they taught me through my actions and behaviors. In that sense, if the teacher dies, do I suddenly forget everything they taught me? No. Henceforth, I know that even if I die, based on my actions within my existence.

You put too much emphasis on death and not on what is done before death.


so? who cares about your family


hahaha, yeah i agree who would care? who would care if you killed someone or if you did some good deed, in a matter of years all of it would have been forgotten, and that it is retarded to think that your legacy will last for ever, who are you? the president of the U.S? Hercules? all that you will do will be forgotten trust me


oh are you Achilles? or Odysseus? or maybe Beowulf slayer of the beast? even they are too dead to even know about their legacy, would they care? they're dead after all.
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Posted 2/18/09 , edited 2/18/09

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Life IS meaningful with God. Without God, no kindness, no love..

For some non-believers there, they think God as the Greatest Theory. God's existence can't be proved but that theory explained what is good and bad. Without knowledge of that, imagine the world without knowing anything.


What? o.o I have kindness and love in my life without God.

The theory of God's existence didn't explain what is good and bad, they used God's existence and his 'word' to explain what they felt was good and bad, and what God probably felt was good and bad. However, Good and Bad can easily be different in a different persons views, which is why there are always arguments, and controversy surrounding certain topics.

I don't understand how the world wouldn't know anything if we couldn't figure out what was considered Good and Bad though, if that's what you meant (sorry, not completely sure what the last sentence means). We worked out how to hunt before christianity came about, that in itself is knowledge.


God started love and kindness. Since your birth.

God already gave you knowledge of that(The Good and Bad thingie) at birth.


"I don't understand how the world wouldn't know anything if we couldn't figure out what was considered Good and Bad though, if that's what you meant (sorry, not completely sure what the last sentence means). We worked out how to hunt before christianity came about, that in itself is knowledge." -

- If the world has no knowledge of good and bad then the world will be full of miseries. They will do anything. Without knowing the risks(which is bad)

Hope this is clear.. ><
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Posted 2/18/09

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cerisey wrote:


Altrax wrote:

Life IS meaningful with God. Without God, no kindness, no love..

For some non-believers there, they think God as the Greatest Theory. God's existence can't be proved but that theory explained what is good and bad. Without knowledge of that, imagine the world without knowing anything.


What? o.o I have kindness and love in my life without God.

The theory of God's existence didn't explain what is good and bad, they used God's existence and his 'word' to explain what they felt was good and bad, and what God probably felt was good and bad. However, Good and Bad can easily be different in a different persons views, which is why there are always arguments, and controversy surrounding certain topics.

I don't understand how the world wouldn't know anything if we couldn't figure out what was considered Good and Bad though, if that's what you meant (sorry, not completely sure what the last sentence means). We worked out how to hunt before christianity came about, that in itself is knowledge.


God started love and kindness. Since your birth.

God already gave you knowledge of that(The Good and Bad thingie) at birth.


"I don't understand how the world wouldn't know anything if we couldn't figure out what was considered Good and Bad though, if that's what you meant (sorry, not completely sure what the last sentence means). We worked out how to hunt before christianity came about, that in itself is knowledge." -

- If the world has no knowledge of good and bad then the world will be full of miseries. They will do anything. Without knowing the risks(which is bad)

Hope this is clear.. ><


Utilitarianism seems to a reasonable choice. I see a lot of ways that "good" and "evil" are inherent and taught through experience and society, and none of them rely on a creator.
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Posted 2/18/09 , edited 2/18/09

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thats not really true you know, if it was like that every believer in this would be an irresponsible being, but that's not what it is in reality, God told us to take care of what he has given us which is this life that we have right now and everything in it, we are thankful that God has given us this life that is why we don't waste it, for if we do we are ungrateful beings


That was a bad metaphor, what I mean to say was that it's easier to appreciate something when you know it will end than it is if you know that something better is going to come someday.




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who cares about your legacy? would you care? no you'd be to dead to care even know about it, its seems so foolish to think you'll fell appreciated when your dead


Why does it matter that anyone cares? If gaining recognition for your deeds is what you consider meaningful then that's fine (pretty selfish though), but realize that others find meaning in their lives in different ways.


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God started love and kindness. Since your birth.

God already gave you knowledge of that(The Good and Bad thingie) at birth.

So why doesn't he give everyone the same idea of good and evil? What is considered evil by one person may be considered good by another person (Hitler, anyone?)


- If the world has no knowledge of good and bad then the world will be full of miseries. They will do anything. Without knowing the risks(which is bad)

People would learn the good and the bad risks through experience, and somewhat through natural instinct. In humans and most other animals we are naturally inclined to not hurt members of our own species for no reason, which is why people who do kill are considered mentally unstable or "bad" by the majority of people (instinct). If one person or a small group of people keeps hoarding all the food/money/whatever, the rest of the people will eventually revolt and take away all their stuff and most likely punish those people, so that everyone will realize that being extremely selfish is wrong (experience).
Posted 2/18/09

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cerisey wrote:


Altrax wrote:

Life IS meaningful with God. Without God, no kindness, no love..

For some non-believers there, they think God as the Greatest Theory. God's existence can't be proved but that theory explained what is good and bad. Without knowledge of that, imagine the world without knowing anything.


What? o.o I have kindness and love in my life without God.

The theory of God's existence didn't explain what is good and bad, they used God's existence and his 'word' to explain what they felt was good and bad, and what God probably felt was good and bad. However, Good and Bad can easily be different in a different persons views, which is why there are always arguments, and controversy surrounding certain topics.

I don't understand how the world wouldn't know anything if we couldn't figure out what was considered Good and Bad though, if that's what you meant (sorry, not completely sure what the last sentence means). We worked out how to hunt before christianity came about, that in itself is knowledge.


God started love and kindness. Since your birth.

God already gave you knowledge of that(The Good and Bad thingie) at birth.


"I don't understand how the world wouldn't know anything if we couldn't figure out what was considered Good and Bad though, if that's what you meant (sorry, not completely sure what the last sentence means). We worked out how to hunt before christianity came about, that in itself is knowledge." -

- If the world has no knowledge of good and bad then the world will be full of miseries. They will do anything. Without knowing the risks(which is bad)

Hope this is clear.. ><


Untrue, children have very little understanding of what is good and bad morally and ethically. They understand morals more, but only because of what their parents tell, a lot of very young children (i'm thinking 1-4ish) probably don't get why it's wrong, they just get told so they don't do it. When they get older they begin to understand why, and probably make their own decisions on what's good and bad.The only reason they know is because of what their parents teach them, which is why there are rude/cruel people out there. Because their parents didn't have the best views (probably). Seriously, if you asked a baby what's good and bad they'd have no clue what you were even saying. Sorry if I'm taking this too literally.

I agree with this comment, but I don't feel God is responsible. The reason we are bound by what's 'good and bad' is because we have a community, a society. Humans can't survive all that well on their own - outside of the community, so they tend to stay within what's viewed as good and bad in that society, in fear of becoming an outcast or getting punishment. That's why there are always stories about people showing their 'true selves', and going out of control when the 'society' seems to break down, like in Lord of The Flies, or how people were raping and stealing and such with Hurricane Katrina.
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So I was reading the argument above and I agree with Cerisey. There aren’t really such things as good or bad. Things are only right or wrong if you/society think it is.

But to religious believers, life can be more meaningful to them when they believe that God exists. For example, people may be lacking important things in life such as love from family and friends, not having enough money for food or shelter etc but if they believed in God, they'd know that God has plans for them and that God loves them. Therefore having such beliefs would make them look forward to life and appreciate what they have.
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Life has no purpose if you don't believe that God exists. You live for a period of time and then what? You die, and after you die there is nothing, what is life without God? pointless its so stupid that if there was no God its better if we never did exist, we wouldn't need to suffer. But if there was a God its a different story, you die and you go to heaven (or hope to) which i think puts more meaning into life


I object. I do, though, respect your beliefs. But just because a person lives a life without GOD doesn't mean they're living pointlessly. What makes life meaningful is how you live your life, regardless of whether or not you have belief in (a) God(s). To me what's important is not where I end up but how I get there.
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Nah. Not really. Some people can still have a happy and fullfilled life without god. Buddhism doesn't have god. But yet you can say their spiritual life is meaningful.
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Um, no. Life has less meaning with God than without. Why would anyone put create countless people (and know all their innermost secrets, thoughts, motivations, etc. if my Christian relatives are to be believed), put them on a giant ball, watch them kill each other willy-nilly (his 'children' mind you), and make them vulnerable to Satan or whoever? Why not just create someone, look inside their heart, judge them good/bad, and put them in their proper place? Why create a middle man? IT MAKES NO SENSE.

And don't give me that 'God works in mysterious ways' stuff. I don't buy it.



Seriously, if you asked a baby what's good and bad they'd have no clue what you were even saying.


Unless it was good/bad in the sense of what they liked/disliked, which would be more likely far into childhood. Pretty sure they're still researching exactly when the moral part of that kicks in. (Maybe never for some.)
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There is a "Middle Man" and that is Jesus. He is our Intercessor in heaven and the One who forgives our sins and shows us the Father. In the beginning God created the world perfectly, however with our free will we chose to allow sin into it.
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Life doesn't mean it's more meaningfull if or if not you beleive in god.

It really all depends on what you seek in your lifetime, does going to heaven matter to anyone but yourself? Nope, it all matters up to what you want in life.

If being a accomplished director or having a family with good moral standards is meaningfull to you, then there is nothing wrong in that, you live for other people in This world.

It doesn't make it more meaningfull just because you want to go to heaven, you accomplish what u want to accomplish here on earth that is what is more meaningfull to me.

If heaven is what u aim for, you still need to always abide by certain rules, certain moral standards i don't really agree with those and sometimes i do have more fun because of that because

I have sex before marriage
because i use to smoke ciggarettes, or use to drink when i'm underage.
Because i'm also able to do it safe is also what counts.

So NO i don't agree that heaven makes your life much more meaningfull.
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