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DBSK has amazing singing talent. That's a fact. DBSK has better singing talent than kattun, that's an opinion. You sound so immature when you excuse someone's opinions and claim yours to be a fact.
Btw, does it not occur to you that JE is an idol company? Singing is not their top priority.

DBSK "at least gots talent" -- Yes, Kattun too. "hard work" -- You think they spend their afternoons picking daisies? "amazing looks" -- Nice opinion, oops, I meant "fact".

And here's me adding an extra bonus because you're such an awesome person: a "fact"! Jaejoong is scary looking.


Fact: Beyonce has better singing talent than Soulja Boy. Just like how some people are better at sports than others, or how some people can be better at any other skill. A group that sings acapellas so beautifully has better singing talent than an idol group that doesn't even prioritize vocals. Singing well, in tune, and being able to do acapellas properly takes actual skill and practice and talent, just like anything else. I don't care how good looking you think Kat-Tun is. Now you can say to yourself that Soulja Boy has better singing talent than Beyonce, but I like to keep things real.
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mushrie wrote:

DBSK has amazing singing talent. That's a fact. DBSK has better singing talent than kattun, that's an opinion. You sound so immature when you excuse someone's opinions and claim yours to be a fact.
Btw, does it not occur to you that JE is an idol company? Singing is not their top priority.

DBSK "at least gots talent" -- Yes, Kattun too. "hard work" -- You think they spend their afternoons picking daisies? "amazing looks" -- Nice opinion, oops, I meant "fact".

And here's me adding an extra bonus because you're such an awesome person: a "fact"! Jaejoong is scary looking.


Fact: Beyonce has better singing talent than Soulja Boy. Just like how some people are better at sports than others, or how some people can be better at any other skill. A group that sings acapellas so beautifully has better singing talent than an idol group that doesn't even prioritize vocals. Singing well, in tune, and being able to do acapellas properly takes actual skill and practice and talent, just like anything else. I don't care how good looking you think Kat-Tun is. Now you can say to yourself that Soulja Boy has better singing talent than Beyonce, but I like to keep things real.


Opinion: Beyonce has better singing talent than Soulja Boy.
Sports is a different thing. When someone plays a sport, chances are, they're not doing it so that they can gather a mass fanbase. In sports, it's competition. Competition = the outcome of the game determines the winner which = the better player. That being said, if someone claims that this basketball team is better than the other, I'd believe them seeing as how that team always beat the other team.

So you've acknowledged that Kattun is an idol group, yes? And that said idol group does not "even prioritize vocals", yes? Then you've just proved my point while twisting yours.

Btw, talking to you, I've never once mention how hot I think Kat-tun is. Now you can say to yourself how DBSK has better singing than Kattun is a fact, but I like to keep things real. I'm not even trying to tell you who I think is better whether vocally, stage presence, attitude, etc. I'm just correcting such a 3rd grade mistake (the diff. between fact and opinion).
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Opinion: Beyonce has better singing talent than Soulja Boy.
Sports is a different thing. When someone plays a sport, chances are, they're not doing it so that they can gather a mass fanbase. In sports, it's competition. Competition = the outcome of the game determines the winner which = the better player. That being said, if someone claims that this basketball team is better than the other, I'd believe them seeing as how that team always beat the other team.

So you've acknowledged that Kattun is an idol group, yes? And that said idol group does not "even prioritize vocals", yes? Then you've just proved my point while twisting yours.

Btw, talking to you, I've never once mention how hot I think Kat-tun is. Now you can say to yourself how DBSK has better singing than Kattun is a fact, but I like to keep things real. I'm not even trying to tell you who I think is better whether vocally, stage presence, attitude, etc. I'm just correcting such a 3rd grade mistake (the diff. between fact and opinion).


You're point is Kat-Tun doesn't prioritize vocals? Then doesn't that add to the idea that DBSK who is all about vocals, has better vocals? I wasn't specifically talking about you thinking Kat-Tun is hot, that was in general. And this is solely about vocals, because they make music, so having good vocals would be kind of helpful

Singing is a talent, a skill, it's something people practice and get better at. Like playing the piano, anyone can just bash the keys, but it takes someone with better skills/talent to play beautiful music on it. So just like some people can play the piano better than others, some people are better at singing than others, have you ever watched American Idol? No it is not an opinion that Beyonce can sing better, Soulja Boy can't even sing in tune. So he is not a better singer than Beyonce. You can like his voice better than Beyonce's, but you can't say he has more singing talent than her if he can't even stay in tune.
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You know, it's no point fighting over these topics such as talent, vocals, facts and opinions. The bands were picked by majority, meaning however many people liked them, that's how they're able to reach the highest on the charts. I mean really, more than half of the people in the world don't even care about or look at talent because they're practically brainwashed by the crappy music playing on the radio these days and they aren't expanding their music taste. And really, Kat Tun is already at top of the charts so I don't see the point of arguing as if something you're going to say will change it.
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mushrie wrote:

Opinion: Beyonce has better singing talent than Soulja Boy.
Sports is a different thing. When someone plays a sport, chances are, they're not doing it so that they can gather a mass fanbase. In sports, it's competition. Competition = the outcome of the game determines the winner which = the better player. That being said, if someone claims that this basketball team is better than the other, I'd believe them seeing as how that team always beat the other team.

So you've acknowledged that Kattun is an idol group, yes? And that said idol group does not "even prioritize vocals", yes? Then you've just proved my point while twisting yours.

Btw, talking to you, I've never once mention how hot I think Kat-tun is. Now you can say to yourself how DBSK has better singing than Kattun is a fact, but I like to keep things real. I'm not even trying to tell you who I think is better whether vocally, stage presence, attitude, etc. I'm just correcting such a 3rd grade mistake (the diff. between fact and opinion).


You're point is Kat-Tun doesn't prioritize vocals? Then doesn't that add to the idea that DBSK who is all about vocals, has better vocals? I wasn't specifically talking about you thinking Kat-Tun is hot, that was in general. And this is solely about vocals, because they make music, so having good vocals would be kind of helpful

Singing is a talent, a skill, it's something people practice and get better at. Like playing the piano, anyone can just bash the keys, but it takes someone with better skills/talent to play beautiful music on it. So just like some people can play the piano better than others, some people are better at singing than others, have you ever watched American Idol? No it is not an opinion that Beyonce can sing better, Soulja Boy can't even sing in tune. So he is not a better singer than Beyonce. You can like his voice better than Beyonce's, but you can't say he has more singing talent than her if he can't even stay in tune.


Can't you see that the statement "DBSK has better vocals" is an opinion? Yes, if one realizes that kattun does not prioritize vocals comes to a conclusion that "DBSK who is all about vocals, has better vocals" through that person's own individual thoughts, then that is an opinion. In something like music which was made to please, who is better than who is ALL opinion. And no, it is not solely about vocals, it's about music sales. Having vocals is good, actually extremely favored, but in such a century, vocals are not the only thing that can sell.

An example that you've just given above, I will find reasonable. I don't think the sports one was appropriate. No. Beyonce sings better than Soulja Boy is absolutely an opinion. The judges on American Idol, who are (well, should be) professionals whose jobs are to judge who sings better. An avid music fan will also judge who sings better. In both case scenarios, it is still an opinion. Someone can say, and someone DID say, that Soulja Boy sings better than Beyonce. Given that the person who said that was ignorant and totally lives in a cave, it is still an opinion just as much as someone who states vice versa.
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Can't you see that the statement "DBSK has better vocals" is an opinion? Yes, if one realizes that kattun does not prioritize vocals comes to a conclusion that "DBSK who is all about vocals, has better vocals" through that person's own individual thoughts, then that is an opinion. In something like music which was made to please, who is better than who is ALL opinion. And no, it is not solely about vocals, it's about music sales. Having vocals is good, actually extremely favored, but in such a century, vocals are not the only thing that can sell.

An example that you've just given above, I will find reasonable. I don't think the sports one was appropriate. No. Beyonce sings better than Soulja Boy is absolutely an opinion. The judges on American Idol, who are (well, should be) professionals whose jobs are to judge who sings better. An avid music fan will also judge who sings better. In both case scenarios, it is still an opinion. Someone can say, and someone DID say, that Soulja Boy sings better than Beyonce. Given that the person who said that was ignorant and totally lives in a cave, it is still an opinion just as much as someone who states vice versa.


Someone actually said Soulja Boy can sing better than Beyonce?? He barely even sings in his songs, he raps through most of them. When that person said Soulja Boy can sing better, that means he likes Soulja Boy's singing better. But people who aren't deaf can tell Soulja Boy is a horrible singer, if you like his singing, that's okay, but you should still know he has very little singing talent. He doesn't even sing in tune, so it's obvious he cannot sing better than Beyonce.

It's very simple, some people can sing better than others. And it is judged by if they can sing in tune, if they can hit certain notes, how good their harmony is etc., it is something that can be critically judged and rated. Like with someone who plays the piano, the person who always hits the right notes, plays smoother, and can do difficult songs, is a better pianist than the guy who doesn't even understand how the notes work. The opinion part is who you like better, some people might like the guy bashing his head on the piano better, but that doesn't make him a better pianist.

I think you're confusing what people can like better and who actually is better. Those are two different things.
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mushrie wrote:

Can't you see that the statement "DBSK has better vocals" is an opinion? Yes, if one realizes that kattun does not prioritize vocals comes to a conclusion that "DBSK who is all about vocals, has better vocals" through that person's own individual thoughts, then that is an opinion. In something like music which was made to please, who is better than who is ALL opinion. And no, it is not solely about vocals, it's about music sales. Having vocals is good, actually extremely favored, but in such a century, vocals are not the only thing that can sell.

An example that you've just given above, I will find reasonable. I don't think the sports one was appropriate. No. Beyonce sings better than Soulja Boy is absolutely an opinion. The judges on American Idol, who are (well, should be) professionals whose jobs are to judge who sings better. An avid music fan will also judge who sings better. In both case scenarios, it is still an opinion. Someone can say, and someone DID say, that Soulja Boy sings better than Beyonce. Given that the person who said that was ignorant and totally lives in a cave, it is still an opinion just as much as someone who states vice versa.


Someone actually said Soulja Boy can sing better than Beyonce?? He barely even sings in his songs, he raps through most of them. When that person said Soulja Boy can sing better, that means he likes Soulja Boy's singing better. But people who aren't deaf can tell Soulja Boy is a horrible singer, if you like his singing, that's okay, but you should still know he has very little singing talent. He doesn't even sing in tune, so it's obvious he cannot sing better than Beyonce.

It's very simple, some people can sing better than others. And it is judged by if they can sing in tune, if they can hit certain notes, how good their harmony is etc., it is something that can be critically judged and rated. Like with someone who plays the piano, the person who always hits the right notes, plays smoother, and can do difficult songs, is a better pianist than the guy who doesn't even understand how the notes work. The opinion part is who you like better, some people might like the guy bashing his head on the piano better, but that doesn't make him a better pianist.

I think you're confusing what people can like better and who actually is better. Those are two different things.


Unfortunately, someone did.

Everything you said is correct except in the context of this argument, who someone likes better and who someone thinks is a better singer are both opinions.

Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato: Both teen superstars, both singers, and both are performers. Lets say that Miley can hit the this note better than Demi. Therefore, her voice is more capable of it more than Demi. However, that doesn't make her singing better. Singing, sadly to say, isn't only about reaching a certain note. It's how she project the voice, how smooth it comes out, how pleasing her singing is to the average listener. Each person will have their own opinion on how well she does each and every one of that.

I'd use Soulja Boy and Beyonce as an example but it wasn't flexible enough.

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I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY LOVE KAT-TUN!!!!!!!!!!! I knew they can be no. 1!!!! YAAAAY!!!

But, guys... please let's stop comparing... KAT-TUN is DIFFERENT from DBSK...

I hope more fans will support them... Ganbare KAT-TUN!!
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weeeeeeh~~~~~

LOL!

I'm uploading a video so I'm kinda bored....

and guess what...

I choose to post in this thread... y....?

i just find it interesting to read the

forever quoting of the post of other people here~~~~

Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

why oh why....

do you guys have to always compare your idols.....

why can't you guys accept the opinion of others....

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as i said. i'm bored. got nothing to do. so now don't quote me. coz i'm just a crazy person that got nothing to do but to intrude.

so,pardon my intruding you guys.. got to go now. have tons of video to watch in youtube. CIAO~!
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Uhhhh The only reason they got #1 is because of the basic JE formula. Get girls obsessed over their looks and it doesn't matter if the song is actually good or if they got any talent. [/quote


agree!!!very agree...
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Unfortunately, someone did.

Everything you said is correct except in the context of this argument, who someone likes better and who someone thinks is a better singer are both opinions.

Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato: Both teen superstars, both singers, and both are performers. Lets say that Miley can hit the this note better than Demi. Therefore, her voice is more capable of it more than Demi. However, that doesn't make her singing better. Singing, sadly to say, isn't only about reaching a certain note. It's how she project the voice, how smooth it comes out, how pleasing her singing is to the average listener. Each person will have their own opinion on how well she does each and every one of that.

I'd use Soulja Boy and Beyonce as an example but it wasn't flexible enough.




If two singers are close, then it could be subjective in the beginning. But I used the SouljaBoy example because it was the worst with the best so it would be clear who is the better singer. "to the average listener" that's the average listener's opinion of who they like better. So if someone likes Soula Boy's singing better, alright, but that doesn't make Soulja Boy suddenly become more talented than Beyonce.

If they were two singers at similar levels, then things can get subjective, but if it's one doing acapella and another not being able to hold notes, then with t he definition of singing, people can determine who is better at it. Like playing the piano, if one person doesn't make mistakes and plays really difficult songs in perfect harmony, he's a better pianist than the one banging his head on the keys. People can choose who they like better, if someone likes the sound of the pianist banging his head better, that's ok, but that's the opinion part of it. The one not banging his head is technically better at playing the piano, though, no matter who the listeners like better.
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Yei wrote:

Uhhhh The only reason they got #1 is because of the basic JE formula. Get girls obsessed over their looks and it doesn't matter if the song is actually good or if they got any talent.


lol once again, whatever you think KAT-TUN of no talent? fine, you're entitled to your own OPINIONS

For me, KAT-TUN are a very talented bunch, and I love their songs...to be frank, they're the only JE group I really listen to on a regular basis...although the other JE bands also have nice songs, but they tend to bore me after a while (same goes with DBSK)...while KAT-TUN's songs keeps me interested for much longer, and they sing a broader range of music than the other JE bands, they're more versatile singers than the others...and they also write their own songs to.




I would agree with you that KAT-TUN is very talented, they were the first japanese group I learned about. Though I would have to disagree with them writing their own songs. Actually most of the time they haven't written and composed their own songs. They have been given a lot of songs by other people. I mean don't get me wrong I absolutely love them. And they do sing a wider variety than most other japanese groups. But I would have to say that Dong Bang Shin Ki, has more versatility, in how they sing their songs. They all have wonderful vocals, and Im coming from a background of major music influence so I know a lot of the technical things they can do and how hard they are to do, They can do many more things with the voices, and they sing just as many different songs as KAT-TUN, though KAT-TUN is mostly focused towards a rock theme in most of their songs.DBSK has basically done almost every genre except for country. And in their songs its not just two people getting the spot light most of the time, like with Akanishi, and Kamenashi(Though they are two of the best singers in their group) in DBSK, everyone has amazing vocals, and they all get solos and duets and spot lights on all their voices, not just a select few. And just like in most JE groups, they have their main vocals and then their backup vocal people. But with DBSK, there are no backup vocal people. Yes they do have their main vocalist, but everyone's elses voices are also so important in their songs that how they categorize their vocals are like this:

Hero Jaejoong:main high vocals
Xiah Junsu: main mid high vocals
Changmin: main tenor vocals
Micky: main baritone vocals
U-Know:main bass vocals

They all have their own parts that blend amazingly well.
Though you are perfectly fine if you don't listen to them too.

But though with KAT-TUN, I love them to, they have great vocals also, though they don't do as many technical things with their voices, they still have wonderful voices.
And with comparing both the groups you (everyone) can't really compare them at all, because they do do different music from each other. They each also specialize in different genres of music. So I guess most of what I said up above is kind of pointless, with what I just said, ah oh well. I love both groups, they both have amazing vocals, and great songs with powerful lyrics. thats all I have to say now...done..over..bye
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I like KAT-TUN!!!! I'm one of those people who contributed on their Album Sales ....
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c'mon people. respect other people's OPINIONS, and please don't state them as "facts. LOL!
it's not as if doing so will prevent KAT TUN from getting their no.1's. and they are going to get their 10th no. 1 in 3 weeks time with "Rescue" single.

KT have good vocals. i doubt a person saying they don't have good vocals have properly heard their songs.
cmon, what about "LIPS" and "DON'T U EVER STOP"?
since it's more like rock, their voices need to come down hard with a BANG!, and they did!

and gosh people, they don't only sing, they act. Kamenashi won acting awards for Gokusen and Nobuta. that makes you realize how talented this group is.
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