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Let us clone a Neanderthal!!!! (my logic!)
Posted 6/16/09

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That reminds me of a very interesting story. Have you ever heard of the Tasmanian tiger? Well, it’s an animal that the Australians drove into extinction during the early-to-mid 1900s. What’s interesting about this particular breed is that it wasn’t the Americans that killed it…Can you believe that? Dude, other people murder entire species of animals! It’s not just the Americans, who knew? No, but seriously, it’s a real loss. The Tasmanian tiger isn’t you run of the mill feline or leoline or vulpine or bovine or anything of the sort-it’s completely unique, or rather it WAS unique. It’s the only species of marsupial tigers ever discovered. Aside from being just plain awesome, and frighteningly adorable to imagine, that makes it officially my favorite thing ever-next to Oprah, Chuck Norris, Ninjas, Abortion, anime, and internet flame wars of course.

Anyway, with recent breakthroughs in the technology surround the replication of genetic information and artificially engendered cellular mitosis we have now begun the process of literally resurrecting the Tasmanian tiger. Like something stolen from Jurassic Park, scientists are literally hoping to clone the Tasmanian ‘Awesome Ass’ tiger and revive them.

Unfortunately, we cannot do this with dinosaurs or Neanderthals. There’s simply not enough material to work with.




There are many extinct or endangered animals that got that way by non-americans.

Anyway, question to anyone suggesting the cloning of extinct species: What's the point? I'd imagine it would cost a fair amount in money and resources - so I really don't understand it unless the animal will have some kind of positive impact on the earth/environment/our lives that outweighs these costs.
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Posted 6/17/09
I would love to see Neanderthals back.... ive seen some of the stuff they did when they were alive and i have no doubt that they were very VERY similar to us, and probly just as smart...

Ill befriend one .... it always got in my nerves how humans self proclaimed themselves "superior" because they are smarter and some even claim animals have no feelings ... those people are sooooo egotistical and ignorant, then someone says that they are superior to a fetus or to a retard child and they give him a hard look
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Posted 7/6/09
I dun think neanderthal and us can co-exist. Either of us will not allow it. And homo sapien wil definitely find some sick reason to kill them. We already not open to our own species yet (homosexual, black, jew, blabla) I dun think we are ready for another 'family' that is somewhat related to us.

And if they do really are revived, we as homo sapien will have a very good reason to hate them. Like they are stupid, the whole 'we brought them back' idea. And many of us who doesn't know/understand them will discriminate them.

I hope I don't sound like a hater, but I just think if we are going to bring them, at least we are have to be responsible to them.
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Posted 7/7/09

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I dun think neanderthal and us can co-exist. Either of us will not allow it. And homo sapien wil definitely find some sick reason to kill them. We already not open to our own species yet (homosexual, black, jew, blabla) I dun think we are ready for another 'family' that is somewhat related to us.

And if they do really are revived, we as homo sapien will have a very good reason to hate them. Like they are stupid, the whole 'we brought them back' idea. And many of us who doesn't know/understand them will discriminate them.

I hope I don't sound like a hater, but I just think if we are going to bring them, at least we are have to be responsible to them.


The only trouble with that they are stupid part is they have a little bit bigger brain than we do.

So whats that tell us.. We can teach them to be as smart as are smartest people. Scarry to think a race that could have out smarted most of us.

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Posted 7/7/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


blacktulip_y wrote:

I dun think neanderthal and us can co-exist. Either of us will not allow it. And homo sapien wil definitely find some sick reason to kill them. We already not open to our own species yet (homosexual, black, jew, blabla) I dun think we are ready for another 'family' that is somewhat related to us.

And if they do really are revived, we as homo sapien will have a very good reason to hate them. Like they are stupid, the whole 'we brought them back' idea. And many of us who doesn't know/understand them will discriminate them.

I hope I don't sound like a hater, but I just think if we are going to bring them, at least we are have to be responsible to them.


The only trouble with that they are stupid part is they have a little bit bigger brain than we do.

So whats that tell us.. We can teach them to be as smart as are smartest people. Scarry to think a race that could have out smarted most of us.



We will get jealous, and try to destroy them when they are still in small numbers. Or if they reproduce fast, they will try to destroy us. Either way, we will end up hating each other. And may need to split land and we are not allowed to cross other's land.
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Posted 7/7/09 , edited 7/7/09
You never know maybe racism leads back to the Neanderthal era haha; maybe they had their little tribes and groups that they need to support too. Like even animals like wolves have their own packs etc...
Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely into cryptozoology stuff..being able to see a living Neanderthal in my life time would be pretty awesome XD.
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Posted 7/31/09
unfortunately if we did revive one it would be prone to new diseases that didn't exist then due to an ill-suited immune system just like when th Europeans came to north America and out tons of natives with just the common cold unless we can create a well suited immune system using one of our own as a basis or something
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Posted 8/1/09
after we clone them, whats next? whats the point?
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Posted 8/2/09

tweexar wrote:

after we clone them, whats next? whats the point?

''we learn from them.'
we learn more about them.

a win.. win..
Posted 8/2/09
hows about we don't, what would truly be the point in cloning something that has died off due to evolution?? They where wiped off by our ancestors and I think that they should just stay dead >_>
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Posted 8/2/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


tweexar wrote:

after we clone them, whats next? whats the point?

''we learn from them.'
we learn more about them.

a win.. win..


Well we can't clone neanderthals, to clone a neanderthal we would need a living unfertilized neanderthal egg cell, and another living random neanderthal cell and none of those exist today. So we can't clone a neanderthal. No genetic material to make the clone from.
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Posted 8/2/09

Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


tweexar wrote:

after we clone them, whats next? whats the point?

''we learn from them.'
we learn more about them.

a win.. win..


Well we can't clone neanderthals, to clone a neanderthal we would need a living unfertilized neanderthal egg cell, and another living random neanderthal cell and none of those exist today. So we can't clone a neanderthal. No genetic material to make the clone from.


No we can synthesize and egg, using the DNA makeup of the neanderthal in a similar host. the same way you can make a mouse grow a human ear on there back.

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Posted 8/2/09 , edited 8/2/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


tweexar wrote:

after we clone them, whats next? whats the point?

''we learn from them.'
we learn more about them.

a win.. win..


Well we can't clone neanderthals, to clone a neanderthal we would need a living unfertilized neanderthal egg cell, and another living random neanderthal cell and none of those exist today. So we can't clone a neanderthal. No genetic material to make the clone from.


No we can synthesize and egg, using the DNA makeup of the neanderthal in a similar host. the same way you can make a mouse grow a human ear on there back.



The process of cloning is to take an unfertilized egg cell from an animal species remove the nucleus, take another cell from that same animal and remove its nucleus and put its nucleus into the unfertilized egg cell, which then divides into a identical genetic copy of the parent animal, to do that you need genetic material and living cells, you can't simply make neanderthal dna to use, you'd also need a living egg cell and a living host that is capable of giving birth to the cloned neanderthal. I dunno if a modern human would be able to host a neanderthal. Might be able to, but you still need actual neanderthal dna / cell nucleus, and those don't exist anymore.

So as a result of no living neanderthal cells, no neanderthals can be cloned, you can't simply make neanderthal dna.
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Posted 8/2/09 , edited 8/2/09

Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


tweexar wrote:

after we clone them, whats next? whats the point?

''we learn from them.'
we learn more about them.

a win.. win..


Well we can't clone neanderthals, to clone a neanderthal we would need a living unfertilized neanderthal egg cell, and another living random neanderthal cell and none of those exist today. So we can't clone a neanderthal. No genetic material to make the clone from.


No we can synthesize and egg, using the DNA makeup of the neanderthal in a similar host. the same way you can make a mouse grow a human ear on there back.



The process of cloning is to take an unfertilized egg cell from an animal species remove the nucleus, take another cell from that same animal and remove its nucleus and put its nucleus into the unfertilized egg cell, which then divides into a identical genetic copy of the parent animal, to do that you need genetic material and living cells, you can't simply make neanderthal dna to use, you'd also need a living egg cell and a living host that is capable of giving birth to the cloned neanderthal. I dunno if a modern human would be able to host a neanderthal. Might be able to, but you still need actual neanderthal dna / cell nucleus, and those don't exist anymore.

So as a result of no living neanderthal cells, no neanderthals can be cloned, you can't simply make neanderthal dna.


After further research I find that we can.
I my self Am not a Bio-engineer so I can not do a good job explaining it to you. But my friend does work with DNA and Has created old extinct plants by manipulating plants that have similar DNA structures. We can use a human DNA and by fallowing the Neanderthal DNA code that we happen to have, we can re-construct a Neanderthal. I will ask him for the best way to explain this to you.
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btw, where to find an alive NeanderthaL?
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