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Let us clone a Neanderthal!!!! (my logic!)
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


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Sadly enough, even though Neanderthals have bigger brains, their brain was not just used for thinking. A good portion of it was used for body heat control because their huge body structure and their environment demanded so. This is proven through the fact that Neanderthal tools and culture was inferior compared to the homo sapiens. There is a possiblity that some of us have Neanderthal blood in us, but it doesn't really make those people that much better. Neanderthals in this day and age would be great for heavy manual labor and night club bouncers but they would suck as think tanks.


'Your right about one thing. But the rest what you said is false.'
Yes there large brains aided them in maintaining heat. But also we have studied there tools and Tribes. We found that there level of technology was at the same as ares wen it came to weapons yet they had created other forms of tools early man was unable to do. So it safe to say technology wise there are equals before they died off.
I also like to point out after we studied neanderthal DNA we found that Humans Homo-sapains and Neanderthals are to different to have had children together. So the hole Idea of there might be Neanderthal DNA in us is 99.999999% false. Unless some Aliens, spiced are two races together, but that is not the case.




They had the same weapons at the time homo sapiens and homo neanderthals split but the homo sapiens developed more sophisticated tools and the neanderthals kinda went sideways with tool tech and didn't really make much better tools than the ones they started with. Neanderthals were certainly not equals tool-wise when they died off and when the sapiens encountered the neanderthals their tools were far developed in comparison to the neanderthals.
I suppose you're right about the DNA thing. However, I still think that sapiens and neanderthals still could have had children (although with low success rate), it's just that their children were infertile. Good examples are ligers (I'm seriously not making a Napolean Dynamite reference), zorses, and mules.

Dude, if we could pull some 5th Element shiznik on a Neanderthal (and making them neanderthal instead of homo sapien like in the movie), it'd better be female so we can see some cross species sex with Bruce Willis


Weapons? there is a Show all about Neanderthals and there skills in making Glue, and herbal cures, they also had a high level of understanding wen it came to hygiene... Weapons they had short hand spears, axes made of stone. Wile we created lighter throwing spears, and weapons more suited for open areas, like fields. there weapons sharp and heavy, for more better used in close combat.. do to the fact they hunt in more dense areas. making it more easy to sneak up on a target, harder to use ranged weapons. SO there weapons evolve for where there lived.

The DNA Difference from a Neanderthal to a Human, is that of a bear and a dog. both share the same ancestor, but there DNA is to far apart to hope to breed. what would you call a bear dog high-bread?


Well I'll agree on the weapons, but that still doesn't convince me on why it would be important to revive Neanderthals despite what you said in the OP.

Hmm, Neanderthals don't seem that different to me but I'll take your word on it for now.
Posted 11/9/09
I highly doubt such ancient DNA could be usefull.
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Posted 11/11/09 , edited 11/11/09

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I highly doubt such ancient DNA could be usefull.


Is the your expert opinion based on long years of education and studding of the DNA structure and how it functions and evolves?


There is a lot we can learn from them. Even if it is just about the DNA and evolution in it self.
Posted 11/11/09 , edited 11/11/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LadyVertz wrote:

I highly doubt such ancient DNA could be usefull.


Is the your expert opinion based on long years of education and studding of the DNA structure and how it functions and evolves?


There is a lot we can learn from them. Even if it is just about the DNA and evolution in it self.


Expert-shmexpert, I've read an article where a guy who studied genetics said they had someone's DNA which could be Jesus Christ's and that the studies of it showed it wasn't possible to clone it. If 2009-year old DNA is shite and it's impossible to clone anyone from it how do you think 60 000 (?)-year old DNA would be ace?

The same thing about dinos by the way. Well they are much older than us but in the terms of evolution and Universe, they are not.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LadyVertz wrote:

I highly doubt such ancient DNA could be usefull.


Is the your expert opinion based on long years of education and studding of the DNA structure and how it functions and evolves?


There is a lot we can learn from them. Even if it is just about the DNA and evolution in it self.


Expert-shmexpert, I've read an article where a guy who studied genetics said they had someone's DNA which could be Jesus Christ's and that the studies of it showed it wasn't possible to clone it. If 2009-year old DNA is shite and it's impossible to clone anyone from it how do you think 60 000 (?)-year old DNA would be ace?

The same thing about dinos by the way. Well they are much older than us but in the terms of evolution and Universe, they are not.


Sorry to disappoint you but that is how you know he was full of shit. I only took 4 years of Bioengineering in collage so I am no expert, close but no expert. But my friend Is a scientist who just happens to make DNA in a lab for a living. We can duplicate any DNA we have mapped out, and use that DNA we created in a lab. So yes we can make a fresh batch of cave man DNA, and use it to bring them to life. If we happen to map out the DNA for a dinosaur, we be able to clone one. But I do not think we have done that just yet. See DNA can be made in a lab from nothing but the basic material, we do not need old DNA as long as we have the blueprint of the DNA Structure.

I could ask my friend to make a fresh batch of Neanderthal DNA for me if I wanted to pay for it. 'those little test tubes with DNA in them for people to study in school where do you think they come from. There made in a lab by people like my friend.
Posted 11/11/09 , edited 11/11/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LadyVertz wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LadyVertz wrote:

I highly doubt such ancient DNA could be usefull.


Is the your expert opinion based on long years of education and studding of the DNA structure and how it functions and evolves?


There is a lot we can learn from them. Even if it is just about the DNA and evolution in it self.


Expert-shmexpert, I've read an article where a guy who studied genetics said they had someone's DNA which could be Jesus Christ's and that the studies of it showed it wasn't possible to clone it. If 2009-year old DNA is shite and it's impossible to clone anyone from it how do you think 60 000 (?)-year old DNA would be ace?

The same thing about dinos by the way. Well they are much older than us but in the terms of evolution and Universe, they are not.


Sorry to disappoint you but that is how you know he was full of shit. I only took 4 years of Bioengineering in collage so I am no expert, close but no expert. But my friend Is a scientist who just happens to make DNA in a lab for a living. We can duplicate any DNA we have mapped out, and use that DNA we created in a lab. So yes we can make a fresh batch of cave man DNA, and use it to bring them to life. If we happen to map out the DNA for a dinosaur, we be able to clone one. But I do not think we have done that just yet. See DNA can be made in a lab from nothing but the basic material, we do not need old DNA as long as we have the blueprint of the DNA Structure.

I could ask my friend to make a fresh batch of Neanderthal DNA for me if I wanted to pay for it. 'those little test tubes with DNA in them for people to study in school where do you think they come from. There made in a lab by people like my friend.


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Well, actually this article was a bit old and as science walks fast maybe they found the thing you told me about not that long ago. I actually knew about prints, probably even from school program. I just didn't think it could be possible to create something with it. Maybe this is pathetic question but what materials can we use to create a new DNA? Probably the answer is super-obvious but I can't figure it out right now.

As for the actual topic I don't see the real reason for cloning someone. Humanity is too evil to just raise clones of children who died, for their parents or ancient people to find about our roots more. In such a funky society cloning will be all about raising slaves or a living material to take the organ transplants from. People have some ugly God complex and they desperately try to recreate something by themselfs.

Also, though I don't believe in such esoteric stuff as soul, I still think clones lack it. If not soul then.... Oh man, poor vocabulary I have or I simply don't know by myself, but they are just not the originals. You can see a perfect copy of any paiting but as long as you know it's a copy your vision of it isn't the same.
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As for the actual topic I don't see the real reason for cloning someone. Humanity is too evil to just raise clones of children who died, for their parents or ancient people to find about our roots more. In such a funky society cloning will be all about raising slaves or a living material to take the organ transplants from. People have some ugly God complex and they desperately try to recreate something by themselfs.


Aren't these some of the same "moral" issues & arguments people have with the use of stem cells? Tough call......

If we set aside these volatile subjects, I wonder how far the DNA replication should go? Would we just explore the organic properties of the Neanderthal's physical make-up in the test tube or should we go for the full blown life sized specimen?

The guess the next big question is what do we do with the Neanderthal when we're done studying?
Posted 11/11/09
(。・▽・) We should clone Darkphoenix3450 instead.

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After thinking about it, I would support the cloning of a neanderthal. As a Biblical Creationist I would like to see if the neanderthals (which I believe most likely are)are the Nephilim that the Bible talks about. Now the Nephilim were a race of giant people who were strong warriors. Evidence supports that Neanderthals (Or Nephilim) lived side by side each other, we even have a tombs where Neanderthals are buried with humans.
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LadyVertz wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LadyVertz wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LadyVertz wrote:

I highly doubt such ancient DNA could be usefull.


Is the your expert opinion based on long years of education and studding of the DNA structure and how it functions and evolves?


There is a lot we can learn from them. Even if it is just about the DNA and evolution in it self.


Expert-shmexpert, I've read an article where a guy who studied genetics said they had someone's DNA which could be Jesus Christ's and that the studies of it showed it wasn't possible to clone it. If 2009-year old DNA is shite and it's impossible to clone anyone from it how do you think 60 000 (?)-year old DNA would be ace?

The same thing about dinos by the way. Well they are much older than us but in the terms of evolution and Universe, they are not.


Sorry to disappoint you but that is how you know he was full of shit. I only took 4 years of Bioengineering in collage so I am no expert, close but no expert. But my friend Is a scientist who just happens to make DNA in a lab for a living. We can duplicate any DNA we have mapped out, and use that DNA we created in a lab. So yes we can make a fresh batch of cave man DNA, and use it to bring them to life. If we happen to map out the DNA for a dinosaur, we be able to clone one. But I do not think we have done that just yet. See DNA can be made in a lab from nothing but the basic material, we do not need old DNA as long as we have the blueprint of the DNA Structure.

I could ask my friend to make a fresh batch of Neanderthal DNA for me if I wanted to pay for it. 'those little test tubes with DNA in them for people to study in school where do you think they come from. There made in a lab by people like my friend.


Never thought it was possible to learn useful things on anime forums
Well, actually this article was a bit old and as science walks fast maybe they found the thing you told me about not that long ago. I actually knew about prints, probably even from school program. I just didn't think it could be possible to create something with it. Maybe this is pathetic question but what materials can we use to create a new DNA? Probably the answer is super-obvious but I can't figure it out right now.

As for the actual topic I don't see the real reason for cloning someone. Humanity is too evil to just raise clones of children who died, for their parents or ancient people to find about our roots more. In such a funky society cloning will be all about raising slaves or a living material to take the organ transplants from. People have some ugly God complex and they desperately try to recreate something by themselfs.

Also, though I don't believe in such esoteric stuff as soul, I still think clones lack it. If not soul then.... Oh man, poor vocabulary I have or I simply don't know by myself, but they are just not the originals. You can see a perfect copy of any paiting but as long as you know it's a copy your vision of it isn't the same.


As for me I my self never made my own batch of DNA.. So I really can not say I know what goes into making it pur say. But I can and will Call up my best friend and find out just for you. He lives a few states away from me so we do not hang out much as we used to. only a couple times a year now, wen he comes up for the Halladays (we throw big parties.). So I give him a call and ask. As long as it is not a trade secret, (you know businesses! ) I will let you know.

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After thinking about it, I would support the cloning of a neanderthal. As a Biblical Creationist I would like to see if the neanderthals (which I believe most likely are)are the Nephilim that the Bible talks about. Now the Nephilim were a race of giant people who were strong warriors. Evidence supports that Neanderthals (Or Nephilim) lived side by side each other, we even have a tombs where Neanderthals are buried with humans.


I was thinking they sounded more like the Battle Dwarfs of the Norse Gods religion. (the Dwarfs who forged Thor's magical Hammer for him.)
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


digs wrote:

After thinking about it, I would support the cloning of a neanderthal. As a Biblical Creationist I would like to see if the neanderthals (which I believe most likely are)are the Nephilim that the Bible talks about. Now the Nephilim were a race of giant people who were strong warriors. Evidence supports that Neanderthals (Or Nephilim) lived side by side each other, we even have a tombs where Neanderthals are buried with humans.


I was thinking they sounded more like the Battle Dwarfs of the Norse Gods religion. (the Dwarfs who forged Thor's magical Hammer for him.)


Possibly, but wouldn't Dwarves be much shorter then the Neanderthals?
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


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After thinking about it, I would support the cloning of a neanderthal. As a Biblical Creationist I would like to see if the neanderthals (which I believe most likely are)are the Nephilim that the Bible talks about. Now the Nephilim were a race of giant people who were strong warriors. Evidence supports that Neanderthals (Or Nephilim) lived side by side each other, we even have a tombs where Neanderthals are buried with humans.


I was thinking they sounded more like the Battle Dwarfs of the Norse Gods religion. (the Dwarfs who forged Thor's magical Hammer for him.)


Possibly, but wouldn't Dwarvs be much shorter then the Neanderthals?

Dwarfs are just a little smaller than humans, with well built stocky bodies, and wide noses. They like the colder areas where there stocky short limb bodies helped keep them warm, like the where the Vikings Gods are from.

As For warrior Giants the Giants are enemies of the gods, there was only one god who sided with the Giants and other demons, and he was Loki. ( A sneaky god to say the least.)

(who knows maby Loki is responsible for Christianity and claim him self the one true god!, that is what he was after.)

But then that just a crazy Idea that just popped up in my head for a second.
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After thinking about it, I would support the cloning of a neanderthal. As a Biblical Creationist I would like to see if the neanderthals (which I believe most likely are)are the Nephilim that the Bible talks about. Now the Nephilim were a race of giant people who were strong warriors. Evidence supports that Neanderthals (Or Nephilim) lived side by side each other, we even have a tombs where Neanderthals are buried with humans.


The word giant, in Gen. 6:4, is translated from the Hebrew word nephil & the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defines the word as --a bully or tyrant. (entry # 5303 in the Hebrew & Chaldee dictionary portion of Strong's). "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--- " & then the rest of the verse explains--- "when the sons of God went to daughters of men and had children by them."* The words for 'sons', 'daughters' & 'children' are all normal words for men women & children. You don't need to take my word for this, I invite you to look them up. Study to show yourself approved to God....rightly dividing the Word of truth. (*NIV)

[I'm not entirely sure the Nephilim weren't just other men, or maybe, as distinguished from sons of God, they could have been descendants of fallen Cain, which would explain why God was grieved by the increased wickedness of men.]

Digs, my dear, you desperately need to use a concordance of the Bible! You are an intelligent young man who is regularly researching information. It would be equally wise to realize that reading any of the many translations of the Bible w/o knowing the earliest known usage & original meanings of words can be misleading.

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
I was thinking they sounded more like the Battle Dwarfs of the Norse Gods religion. (the Dwarfs who forged Thor's magical Hammer for him.)

Possibly, but wouldn't Dwarvs be much shorter then the Neanderthals?

Dwarfs are just a little smaller than humans, with well built stocky bodies, and wide noses. They like the colder areas where there stocky short limb bodies helped keep them warm, like the where the Vikings Gods are from.
As For warrior Giants the Giants are enemies of the gods, there was only one god who sided with the Giants and other demons, and he was Loki. ( A sneaky god to say the least.)
(who knows maby Loki is responsible for Christianity and claim him self the one true god!, that is what he was after.)
But then that just a crazy Idea that just popped up in my head for a second.


Darkphoenix, only you could jump from cloning Neanderthals to dwarfs & Vikings.... as for giants being enemies of the gods ..the Titans were the giant enemies of Greek mythology's gods, eh? guess I was more into them, I didn't get into Norse myths much, even tho I am a step-Swede (thru my step-dad)
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Well you will find that the Greek, early Roman, and Vikings Gods share a lot of similarities. Yes Both the Giants and the Titans, are enemies of the gods in there cases. (and in both religions the Titian and the Giants take properties of elements around them from Ice to Fire. But then man kind has been creating religion and evolving there religion for 15,000 or so years. So Both the Greeks and the Vikings Gods might of evolved from a common ancestor. Maby even going back to the time that the Neanderthal and the Homo-Sapian faced off over land and for there very survival.)




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