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discovering religion and disccusion on the "newer" religions
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If you think about the Protestant split, its all because someone wanted something done differently, and they wanted it done "legitametly". That king (what's his name again?) just wanted a divorce, but the Catholic church wouldn't let him. So he went about creating his own branch of Christianity to have his way. I can't say for certain, but I imagine all these new religions that i haven't heard of operate in the same kind of way. People are just so desperate to be able to do whatever crazy things they want (like those suicide cults, for example) under the disguise of a religion. They want to make it more acceptable, is what I'm trying to say.

As for the "discovering a new religion part," that's probably because people are born into religions, and once they realize what they truly believe, they convert. Or just to be able to marry someone who is very religious, and unwilling to convert or abandon their religion.


Did you know Christianity it self Derived from many Pagan Religoins put together. AT that Christianity could be counted as a cult/bastard Child of the pagan religions, that over time got bigger than its pops.



created from pagan religions? what are u talking about? Christianity is based off of Judaism, and the teachings of Jesus that he creates, redefines, and fixes.


Everyone's ancestors were pagans, if you go back far enough.
Hinduism predates Christianity by quite a bit, as does Buddhism. Both of which have enjoy large popularity. Hinduism would even predate the modern Judaism since it is based off a Proto-Indo-European religion similar to the founding blocks of most pagan European religions ( and a few middle eastern polytheistic faiths as well). The Proto-Indo-Europeans (PIE) started spreading about between 10000 to 2000BC.


Yes flood story was borrowed from Epic of Gilgamesh which is 1500 years older than Genesis and written in stone (we have the stone).

Ten commandments can be found in Egyptian book of the dead.

Devils and angels can be found in Babylonian mythology.

Here's a wikipedia article on Judeo-Paganism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Pagan...

The Jewish Pagan Resources page:
http://www.lilitu.com/jap/

Canaanite online temple:
http://www.geocities.com/soho/lofts/2938...

Ancient depictions of Yahweh as a bull-horned god:
http://bibleorigins*net.homestead.com/ya...

Asherah as the Goddess of the bible, Yahweh's mate:
http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses...

Yahweh and Asherah:
http://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/asher...

The cult of Asherah in ancient Israel and Judah:
http://www.utoronto.ca/wjudaism/journal/...

More on Asherah:
http://www.matrifocus.com/LAM04/spotligh...
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Egyptian connections:
http://bibleorigins*net.homestead.com/eg...

There's also the chance that Hebrew monotheism started in Egypt, when the pharaoh Akhenaten tried to turn the whole nation to the worship of Aten the sun god. Scroll down this page:
http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320Hist&Ci...



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Posted 3/17/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Joe_003 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Joe_003 wrote:

If you think about the Protestant split, its all because someone wanted something done differently, and they wanted it done "legitametly". That king (what's his name again?) just wanted a divorce, but the Catholic church wouldn't let him. So he went about creating his own branch of Christianity to have his way. I can't say for certain, but I imagine all these new religions that i haven't heard of operate in the same kind of way. People are just so desperate to be able to do whatever crazy things they want (like those suicide cults, for example) under the disguise of a religion. They want to make it more acceptable, is what I'm trying to say.

As for the "discovering a new religion part," that's probably because people are born into religions, and once they realize what they truly believe, they convert. Or just to be able to marry someone who is very religious, and unwilling to convert or abandon their religion.


Did you know Christianity it self Derived from many Pagan Religoins put together. AT that Christianity could be counted as a cult/bastard Child of the pagan religions, that over time got bigger than its pops.



created from pagan religions? what are u talking about? Christianity is based off of Judaism, and the teachings of Jesus that he creates, redefines, and fixes.


Everyone's ancestors were pagans, if you go back far enough.
Hinduism predates Christianity by quite a bit, as does Buddhism. Both of which have enjoy large popularity. Hinduism would even predate the modern Judaism since it is based off a Proto-Indo-European religion similar to the founding blocks of most pagan European religions ( and a few middle eastern polytheistic faiths as well). The Proto-Indo-Europeans (PIE) started spreading about between 10000 to 2000BC.


Yes flood story was borrowed from Epic of Gilgamesh which is 1500 years older than Genesis and written in stone (we have the stone).

Ten commandments can be found in Egyptian book of the dead.

Devils and angels can be found in Babylonian mythology.

Here's a wikipedia article on Judeo-Paganism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Pagan...

The Jewish Pagan Resources page:
http://www.lilitu.com/jap/

Canaanite online temple:
http://www.geocities.com/soho/lofts/2938...

Ancient depictions of Yahweh as a bull-horned god:
http://bibleorigins*net.homestead.com/ya...

Asherah as the Goddess of the bible, Yahweh's mate:
http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses...

Yahweh and Asherah:
http://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/asher...

The cult of Asherah in ancient Israel and Judah:
http://www.utoronto.ca/wjudaism/journal/...

More on Asherah:
http://www.matrifocus.com/LAM04/spotligh...
.
Egyptian connections:
http://bibleorigins*net.homestead.com/eg...

There's also the chance that Hebrew monotheism started in Egypt, when the pharaoh Akhenaten tried to turn the whole nation to the worship of Aten the sun god. Scroll down this page:
http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320Hist&Ci...




The 10 commandments are quite obvious though,they are things that are blatently wrong,like killing.Everyon,religous and athiests have some form of them.So it's not suprising the eygptions did.

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Posted 3/17/09 , edited 3/17/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Joe_003 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Joe_003 wrote:

If you think about the Protestant split, its all because someone wanted something done differently, and they wanted it done "legitametly". That king (what's his name again?) just wanted a divorce, but the Catholic church wouldn't let him. So he went about creating his own branch of Christianity to have his way. I can't say for certain, but I imagine all these new religions that i haven't heard of operate in the same kind of way. People are just so desperate to be able to do whatever crazy things they want (like those suicide cults, for example) under the disguise of a religion. They want to make it more acceptable, is what I'm trying to say.

As for the "discovering a new religion part," that's probably because people are born into religions, and once they realize what they truly believe, they convert. Or just to be able to marry someone who is very religious, and unwilling to convert or abandon their religion.


Did you know Christianity it self Derived from many Pagan Religoins put together. AT that Christianity could be counted as a cult/bastard Child of the pagan religions, that over time got bigger than its pops.



created from pagan religions? what are u talking about? Christianity is based off of Judaism, and the teachings of Jesus that he creates, redefines, and fixes.


Everyone's ancestors were pagans, if you go back far enough.
Hinduism predates Christianity by quite a bit, as does Buddhism. Both of which have enjoy large popularity. Hinduism would even predate the modern Judaism since it is based off a Proto-Indo-European religion similar to the founding blocks of most pagan European religions ( and a few middle eastern polytheistic faiths as well). The Proto-Indo-Europeans (PIE) started spreading about between 10000 to 2000BC.


Yes flood story was borrowed from Epic of Gilgamesh which is 1500 years older than Genesis and written in stone (we have the stone).

Ten commandments can be found in Egyptian book of the dead.

Devils and angels can be found in Babylonian mythology.

Here's a wikipedia article on Judeo-Paganism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Pagan...

The Jewish Pagan Resources page:
http://www.lilitu.com/jap/

Canaanite online temple:
http://www.geocities.com/soho/lofts/2938...

Ancient depictions of Yahweh as a bull-horned god:
http://bibleorigins*net.homestead.com/ya...

Asherah as the Goddess of the bible, Yahweh's mate:
http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses...

Yahweh and Asherah:
http://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/asher...

The cult of Asherah in ancient Israel and Judah:
http://www.utoronto.ca/wjudaism/journal/...

More on Asherah:
http://www.matrifocus.com/LAM04/spotligh...
.
Egyptian connections:
http://bibleorigins*net.homestead.com/eg...

There's also the chance that Hebrew monotheism started in Egypt, when the pharaoh Akhenaten tried to turn the whole nation to the worship of Aten the sun god. Scroll down this page:
http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320Hist&Ci...





so this could mean all of the religions started off and broke away from one religion.there must have been a major religion and from it broke off brances.they could all be different interpretations of the same story. can that not be seen as some form of evidence that something went down and people at some form of conscienceness choose to remember or be reminded of it?could it be possible that God is indeed older then any written text and could have tried to spread a certain message to people across the world? why wold the same story be repeated over and over again? why not create a new one?could there be more to this then what meets the eye?in a philosophical sense- this could be the start one one major religion with many different branches.All religions seem to have stuff in common.perhaps they also have a god in common as well.

Edit- or this could all be misinterpreted parallels and thoeries used to try and make Christianity look bad. These websites hold about as much crediability as any religious site. all written in response to some other group of people to give off an arguement. its hard to believe any thing on the internet these days, especially when you are dealing with ancient documents that must be translated and told by a group of people who r either for Christianity or against it.its hard trying to find the liars and the truth tellers.
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Posted 6/24/09
i sometimes ponder on that, how religion itself was born or who began the first religion ever in the world that cause for many to be here today. but anyway,

- religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
- i guess people join a certain religion for different reasons: maybe cause the views of moral attitudes or etiquette, etc. within that religion is what gratifies them, or for popularity speculations.
- for newer religions, i can't really interpret for many since i don't know all the recent religions created, but some were probably established for power or dominance or even competition towards another religion. the main reason could be to separate from others & do something that supports their beliefs. that's what comes to mind so far for me right now =T
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There is no such thing as religions

There is ONLY 1 God
Religions is the meaning of different GOds & their religion in them,

BUT how can there be such thing as religions when there is ONLY 1 God & his name is Jesus Christ.
The father, the son & the holy Spirit.

Psalms 115:4

4.Their Idols are mere silver and Gold, the work of human hands.
5. They have mouths, but they do not speak;
They have eyes but they do not see.
6. They have ears , but they do not hear;
They have noses, but they do not smell.
7. They have hands, but they do not feel;
They have feet, but they do not walk;
They make no sound in their throat.
8. Those who make them,
All who trust in them,
Are like them.
9. O Israel, trust in jehovah.
He is their help and their shield.
10. O house of Aaron, trust in Jehovah.
He is their help and their shield.
11. O you who fear Jehovah, trust in Jehovah.
He is their help and their shield.
12. Jehovah has been mindful of us;
He will bless us;
He will bless the house of Israel;
He will bless the house of Aaron;
13. He will bless those who fear Jehovah
Both small and great.



Psalms 116

1. I love Jehovah because He hears My voice, my supplications,
2. Because He inclines His ear to me;
Therefore I will call upon Him all my days.

3. The bonds of death emcompassed me,
And the distresses of Sheol fell upon me;
I fell upon trouble and sorrow.
4. But i called upon the name of Jehovah.
O Jehovah, I pray, deliver my soul.
5. Jehovah is gracious and righteous,
Indeed our God is compassionate.
6. Jehovah preserves the simple:
I was brough low, and He saved me.
7. Return to your rest, O my soul;
For Jehovah has dealt bountifully with you.
8. For you have delivered my sould from death.
My eyes from tears,
My feet from stumbuling.
9. I will walk before Jehovah IN the land of the living.
10 I believe, Therefore I spoke;
I was afflicted Greatly.


What pslam 116 means is that Those who fall in distress meaning when everything in their life seems to be going wrong when everything is bad & there seems to be no hope,
When you call to Lord Jesus Our Father the one who made us God he will rescue us from that distress.
Sometimes it takes him longer to answer our supplication but that NOT because he is not real or dont care about is BUT because he is saying "Wait"
That is when our faith is built and made stronger, just like the muscles when we exercise.

if we ask him for forgivess & accept him to be our saviour he does NOT reject us,
He accept us =)
We become closer to God & thats when things change you also start to change.


Even i myself can relate to psalm 116
I would have been dead by now if my mom would have not asked God to forgive me
I went to the hospital for a concusion & i lost uncossisness
Many Thanks to the Lord Jehovah for listening to my mothers prayers & forgiving me =)
I was able to go home that night, nothing bad happend to my head.
besides having to have stiches in my head which was quick & it dint hurt like others say or like i taught it would.
It only felt like someone pinched me a little & that was for the first one they put in.
Even when they took them out it did not hurt =)
After that experience i changed a lot :D
My mother was in distress thinking i was going to die along with me close to the darkness of hell since i feel it in me if i would have died back then i probably would have not gone to be with the Lord Jesus christ :(
But Thanks for him forgiving me i was able to not die & to become a better person.
Yes im still learning & i still make mistakes i know im not perfect & never will be.
But i can become a better person than before & help Spread the word of God =)

When the countdown to the end of the world begins after God comes to pick up his followers the ones who belived in him & had much faith in him. the ones who were walking in his ways after he picks them up the devil will have many followers on this earth & it will not be a beatiful place.
No water, food or shelter for those who reject him.
He will be called the Anti-christ (devils helper )
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I don't know what compelled me to write this. Enjoy my little rant.

"The human race will begin solving it's problems on the day that it ceases taking itself so seriously." from principia discordia

That's also the problem with some religions. Some people take them way too seriously. That can, in some cases, be applied to the bible as well. I consider myself an agnostic; I won't believe that god exists because it hasn't been proven. On the other hand, I won't say that god doesn't exist because it hasn't been proven either. I believe that being a good person in my life should put me in good books with whatever supernatural being might or might not exist (unless it's Satan.) That said, I find myself agreeing more and more with the principia Discordia, up to now Discordianism seems to be one of the few religions not taking itself too seriously and actually have some pretty good points. I also find that the longer this post is becoming, the less sense it is making, thus spreading confusion (Incidentally also one of the major points of Discordianism). I have already lost the original point of this rant somewhere, but I'm open for discussion, maybe it can help me clear my head.

I find that christianity, as an example, doesn't work because it takes itself and is taken too seriously, this applies to other religions as well. However they all have some good points within their teachings. Discordianism and pastafarianism on the other hand work because they don't take themselves as seriously as many other religions do. I can't explain it. Though I find agnostism to be the most sensible solution, as it leaves all windows open, so to speak.

Other teachings of discord:
"everything is true, even false things are true" agreed, doesn't really make sense.
"a discordian is prohibited from believing in anything written" Now this is an interesting part, as it negates the whole book.(and every other book for that matter)

and apparently God is a she, and her name is Eris.

In case someone wants to know more:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/1.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism(though I don't agree with everything written here)
http://www.venganza.org/
Posted 6/9/11
dabit deus his quoque finem
God will bring an end to this (Virgil)
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