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Posted 2/26/09
I think ren should blame himself,, cause its his own fault he got addicted to the drugs. He should have talked about his problems, especially with Nana.


damn >.< i hate the fact that he is dead
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Posted 2/27/09
no one is to be blame for ren's death unless you blame the creator herself. think about this, it started from comedy to melodramatic then getting darker and depressing then blast a tragedy happen. I know we see this happening and few of us hinted that ren will going to die but i think there is much things to worry or to focus than his death.

i don't know why you blame ren for his own death. for goodness sake he was just trying to fetch reira and come to see nana for her birthday but wasn't able to go there because of accident everything was not plan. Yeah he probably took drugs but he didn't die for an overdose he died in an accident.
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Posted 2/27/09 , edited 2/27/09
An accident alone isn't anyone's fault. For that he died I blame the reporters, how could they just left him knowin he's dying now ... Maybe if they had done something (just call for the ambulance ... is it really that much to do?), Ren'd have survived >__<
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Posted 2/27/09
I agree with the two above.

I was actually baffled as to why there's no "no one" choice up there.

But anyway, I had that thought, too! That maybe if the reporters didn't just up, drove and left him; maybe Ren would've survived. Just... maybe.
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Posted 2/27/09
i understand wat u guys are saying and i somewhat agree but the fact that still remains is that he was SPEEINDING in the SNOW. I know he was just trying to get as far away from the reporters as possible but if he wasn't in such a hury to fetch Reira then he wouldn't of crashed. I mean the weather so bad that one of the reporters wanted to stop driving and go back because of the severity of the weather. And also just because he wasn;t on drugs doesn't mean that the drugs wasn't the cause of his deATH. Because clearly we see that he was hallucinating that NANA was the black cat up on the ledge, meaning that the effects of withdrawal from the drugs was causing him to hallucinate. and becasue he was on the drugs for so long, and then to abruptly stop taking them, that would obviously cause some side effects. Ya it was an accident and was never planned but he should of known better, he knew he was still suffering from the withdrawal effects and he knew not to speed in the middle of a mild snow storm.

I mean honestly if he could make Nana wait then he could of made Reira wait as well.
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Posted 2/28/09
Ok. Seriously? There really does need to be a 'No One' option. Because Ren died in an 'accident'. Accidents happen. You can't blame someone for an accident - It's WRONG. There is a cause and effect for everything that happened. Sure, Reira ran off...who was the cause for that? And why was it that Ren rushed off to bring her back? And why was he in a hurry? Everyone up there is a cause for the events that led up to Ren's death....but only those events and not the accident itself.
Take this for example:
In Skip Beat there is a little girl who has blamed herself for her mother's death. Her mom was a famous model and was out on location on her daughter's birthday. She wanted to make it home to celebrate her daughter's birthday with her and caught a plane back. The plane crashed. Everyone blamed the daughter for making her busy mother come home. But it was an accident. You can blame the mom for accepting a job that would cause her to be away from her daughter on her birthday. You can blame both parents for having a child when obviously they were still focusing on their jobs. And you can blame the child for wanting to spend her birthday with her mother. But where do you get with blaming those people for an accident? Are they the cause for every other person who died on that plane? No. Because none of them were the cause for the plane crashing. So how can they be the cause for her death?
Accidents happen all the time.
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Posted 2/28/09
Even though it was an "accident" Ren's death was inevitable considering his use of drugs. This is going to sound complex, but Ren's drug addiction had a hand in the band breakup, and the breakup made Reira go back to her old town, therefore ultimately sending Ren to see Reira for whatever reason. Maybe it's because Ren was never my favorite character to read about, for some reason his death didn't come to me as tragedy or a great shock. Yeah his death was sad, but it didn't make me burst into tears, or make my heartwrench. And mainly I think I felt that way because I believe Ren killed himself.
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Posted 3/1/09
exactly! if it wasn't the car crash that killed ren it would have been the drugs as simple as that, because im sure that when us readers found out he was taking drugs i know many of us would assume he was going to O.D. And because of the fact that ai yazawa is a sid and nancy fan, many of us assumed the same fate that befell Sid would probably be the same outcome of Ren.

@brieka_gd: And ya i read skip beat and Maria's mother's plane crash was something that was inevitable an ACCIDENT that couldn't have been avoided because no one could of stopped that from happening. Whereas as Ren's car crash could of been prevented because its lik ur missing the BIG picture here HE WAS SPEEDING IN THE SNOW, that is a no no. If ur speeding in the middle of a mild snow storm the chances of u crashing are more than 70% especially if ur still suffering from the side effects of cocaine, and hallucinating to BOOT! Like are u honestly telling me that Ren's "accident" couldn't have been prevented?
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Posted 3/1/09

lalamesilly wrote:

Even though it was an "accident" Ren's death was inevitable considering his use of drugs. This is going to sound complex, but Ren's drug addiction had a hand in the band breakup, and the breakup made Reira go back to her old town, therefore ultimately sending Ren to see Reira for whatever reason. Maybe it's because Ren was never my favorite character to read about, for some reason his death didn't come to me as tragedy or a great shock. Yeah his death was sad, but it didn't make me burst into tears, or make my heartwrench. And mainly I think I felt that way because I believe Ren killed himself.


ouch! that was harsh. Of course it was tragic that was how the author trying to tell us by dragging so many chapters due to his death she wants to show how important he was. Seriously, my heart wrenched when i read the fans comments . But I think it's more better to discuss like Nana's present situation than discussing ren's death like how she cope with the events or how she deal with everthing. i was wondering how she feel for sudden death of her lover. Did she feel guilty about it or blame herself. Or what happen next?
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Posted 3/1/09
Yes, he made the decision to speed, and he made the decision to do drugs. But he wouldn't have been out there driving in the first place if he hadn't of had to go fetch Reira.
I understand that if you were going to blame someone the only person you could blame would be Ren. Anyone else would be unfair. But I don't like to blame people. That's my own opinion. I would however, make him take responsibility for his actions/decisions/ect. if he were still alive (and a real person). But the fact is, he's not. So there isn't anything you can really do except mourne. That is if you liked Ren. Blaming someone (including him) get's us nowhere, especially at this point. It's pointless and it waste time. And there isn't a need to blame someone. Just look at it as an accident, look past the reasons why it happened, mourne his death, and worry about whats going to become of the other characters.
That's how I see things.
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Posted 3/1/09
but that's exactly who i was blaming.....Ren and ya i do like Ren and i was sad that he died but im still pissed off that he was the one who did this to himself he dug his own hole so deep to the point where he couldn't get out and thats the sad and infuriating part about it, because it didn't have to be this way if he didn't make the choices he did, and now everyone else is suffering because of it. So ya no matter wat i blame him. But lik u said were all entitled to our own opinion.
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Posted 3/1/09 , edited 3/1/09
Well technically how in the world does blaming someone get us nowhere? This is a fictional story, so there wasn't somewhere to go to in the first place XDDDD(I mean its not like we're the mangaka). We're just speculators and readers, so its natural to have opinions about the incident. Cuz you see no matter how much we do point fingers on who killed who, bottomline is that the story will go on. This is going to sound really cynical but to mourn a fictional person? There's so many things to mourn about in this world, why choose to mourn about a fictional character IMO (BUT hey you want to mourn about something in a manga then go ahead it's your choice I'll respect it even if I don't understand it). So basically while we are all waiting for what to happen (it's dragging on so long...) in the next chapter, we basically talk about what happened recently and possibly what might happen in the future for fun really not because we nec. want to prove a point or because we refuse to worry about whats going to become of the other characters.
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Posted 3/10/09
no one, that's my answer
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