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What if Gintoki is an Amanto?
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Posted 3/9/09

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And I think we are a little off topic here~ Wahahaha~



hahahaha....I was just thinking the same XD But who cares! we're having a good talk here.
btw, geoffc, you're good at guessing hehehe. We should do this a lot more often :D

...and who is that Mademoiselle Saigou again??
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When a foreign army invades a country, the enemy either fight or surrender. So the surrendered enemy either joins the enemy or prosecuted to becum a war criminal. For those who haven surrender, it is a huge possibility for them to be known as some resistance force. So it is the newly formed government responsibility to track down the rest of the unsurrendered enemy.

About why people like Gintoki, Sakamoto and Mademoiselle never got proscuted could be either their leader surrendered with his force or any other reason I dunno.

I dun think Katsura is against Amanto, but is against the Amanto governmment.

And I think we are a little off topic here~ Wahahaha~

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But it's really offtopic and it doesn't really matter.

edit: Takasugi and Katsura are members of the joi fraction which is pretty much a resistancegroup.
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geoffc wrote:

And I think we are a little off topic here~ Wahahaha~



hahahaha....I was just thinking the same XD But who cares! we're having a good talk here.
btw, geoffc, you're good at guessing hehehe. We should do this a lot more often :D

...and who is that Mademoiselle Saigou again??


The musculer cross dresser who forced Gintoki and Katsura to dress as ladies and have a son. He used to be some legendary fighter during the amanto wars.
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The musculer cross dresser who forced Gintoki and Katsura to dress as ladies and have a son. He used to be some legendary fighter during the amanto wars.



Would he by any chance be the guy next to Katsura on this picture?


If not, who is that guy?! x_x im dying to know! anyone happen to know? ^_^'

is this off topic? lol/
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geoffc wrote:



The musculer cross dresser who forced Gintoki and Katsura to dress as ladies and have a son. He used to be some legendary fighter during the amanto wars.



Would he by any chance be the guy next to Katsura on this picture?


If not, who is that guy?! x_x im dying to know! anyone happen to know? ^_^'

is this off topic? lol/


If u ask whether the guy on the left is Mademoiselle, impossible because Gintoki doesn't recognise him at first espacially when the left guy and him are comrades fighting side by side. I dun think anyone knew who is he, he never appeared b4. Maybe he is dead.
Posted 3/11/09
im sure that gintoki would have killed housen without the help of the sun the sun just sped up the process
Posted 3/11/09

geoffc wrote:


sanchez2007x1 wrote:


geoffc wrote:



The musculer cross dresser who forced Gintoki and Katsura to dress as ladies and have a son. He used to be some legendary fighter during the amanto wars.



Would he by any chance be the guy next to Katsura on this picture?


If not, who is that guy?! x_x im dying to know! anyone happen to know? ^_^'

is this off topic? lol/


If u ask whether the guy on the left is Mademoiselle, impossible because Gintoki doesn't recognise him at first espacially when the left guy and him are comrades fighting side by side. I dun think anyone knew who is he, he never appeared b4. Maybe he is dead.


i justy think hes someone to show up later maybe the next time shinsuuke shows up

to me he looks like maybe he would be a ninja
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Gin was born before Amantos arrived on Earth.
Proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9lmizoYd-U&feature=related
(He was a baby when Amantos arrived and invaded)

However, some amantos (such as the Kappa) have arrived before that, so I can't deny the possibility.


I would really like to know how old he is meant to be. I still think he's in his late twenties and not younger than 25.

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GintokiSakata wrote:

Gin was born before Amantos arrived on Earth.
Proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9lmizoYd-U&feature=related
(He was a baby when Amantos arrived and invaded)

However, some amantos (such as the Kappa) have arrived before that, so I can't deny the possibility.


I would really like to know how old he is meant to be. I still think he's in his late twenties and not younger than 25.



If you guys read the manga book (not online), there is a Q&A section for the artist. I can't remember which book because I didn't buy the series, but he said before that he was 23 years old. I dunno how many years gone by in the manga world after he revealed that age.
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If you guys read the manga book (not online), there is a Q&A section for the artist. I can't remember which book because I didn't buy the series, but he said before that he was 23 years old. I dunno how many years gone by in the manga world after he revealed that age.


I have that volume, it just says "twenties". XD

I think he's 24 or 25 - no older than 26. He doesn't have that OMGI'MALMOSTTHIRTY vibe that Kondo has.

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I'll start reading the Manga once the anime is over. Don't like both at the same time.
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Posted 3/12/09
isn't that just a random guy? I thought Mademoiselle Saigou fought in just a loincloth.
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I thought Kondo was thirty already...

Anyway, great discussion! The war against the Amanto in Japan was so long and drawn out, I would be surprised if there weren't a bunch of orphans running around (weren't Hijikata and Okita also orphaned, just younger and in a different part of the country at the same time?). Gin has repeatedly said things like "I have no parents," or "I never had a mother..." We have never seen or heard mention of any of his "nakama's" (Sakamoto, Katsura, and Takasugi) family, either. So you can just assume they were all orphans, unless Sensei really was Gin's dad (I've seen the theory before).

Geoffc, I think you have a cool theory about Otose's husband. Gin is very respectful of Otose, considering (and she's extremely forgiving of Gin. After all she's put up with, you'd think she'd have thrown him out by now). But it is just as likely that he was hanging around the cemetary to swipe food from the graves, in Satoshi Kon's movie "Tokyo Godfathers," the homeless characters do that, too.

The way I see it, Gin & friends entered the war at the tail end and were still young when the government gave in to the Amanto. Not every soldier on the losing side gets tried as a war criminal, especially the youngest and lowest-ranking guys. But many veterans (in every war, unfortunately) end up homeless, jobless, emotionally and physically scarred, and some might even join radical groups later. Gin was living on the street, and was lucky that Otose picked him up. He didn't want to fight-the war was over and he no longer had anything he wanted to protect.

Katsura and Takasugi became terrorists. Katsura just didn't want to lose just because the Government told him the battle was over. And Takasugi just has an insatiable bloodlust.

Surely, all of them were deeply affected by Sensei...hopefully Sorachi will let us know more about him! (A Gaiden would be awesome!)
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Ailuv wrote:
Surely, all of them were deeply affected by Sensei...hopefully Sorachi will let us know more about him! (A Gaiden would be awesome!)


I figure we'll get Gintoki gaiden when Sorachi's ready to end the manga. I both look foreword to, and dread that day. XD

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Haha~ No matter what, I still look forward to Gintama comedies. So I dun really wanna see the serious side so soon.
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