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The Perverse Incentive and Corrupted Mentality Of Today's Fansub Community
Posted 3/6/09
Through the system of inductive logic(http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-inductive/), I propose that the collective mentality of the fansub community is incited by misplaced fear(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fear%5B2%5D). And it is with that perverse incentive(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive#References) that propels them to this mentality:
They're afraid of unpleasant situations. They're afraid of commitments. They're afraid of progresses. And they're afraid of truth.

However, their misplaced fear is what's negatively keeping them from happiness. And happiness is a positive incentive(http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-and-How-to-Be-Happy-Now---Happiness-Incentives-and-5-Tips-For-Being-Happy&id=1687231) that will instate tolerance during unpleasant situations, loyalty during commitments, optimism during times of change, and courage during moments of truth.

This is completely different than the informative, but long and boring lecture on economic(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huz4pw7_8H8&feature=related) that voice actor Greg Ayres had been hosting for several years regarding fansubs. And since the fansub community is by nature, a collective of amateur hobbyists, they cannot understand the deductive logic(http://www.philosophyclass.com/logic.htm) of professional business. This is because their perverse incentive fear of truth is preventing them from having the courage to face the facts of reality. Furthermore, the economic angle only allows the fansub community to use economic recession as an excuse for their behaviors. But the fact is they're only reacting with yet another misplaced fear of recession due to mass medias(http://economics.about.com/cs/businesscycles/a/depressions.htm).

So unless they're ready to conquer their misplaced fears(http://zenhabits.net/2008/11/five-helpful-attitudes-for-dealing-with-your-fears/), the fansub community will not change. And everything that Greg Ayres had said during his panels will remain a real possibility, if not the reality(http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090304f1.html).

The Japanese domestic anime audiences had aged beyond believe due to an aging Japanese population. Not only that, the number of Japanese youth TV audiences can no longer provide a good TV viewing rate due to low birthrate, so the TV stations had long since taken out anime TV series off prime times, because Japanese companies no longer interested in sponsoring anime programs that's not generating enough target audiences, to watch programs that were paid to be on Japanese TV networks with Japanese companies advertising venues. Most anime in Japan are now being broadcast on PPV channels, with the anime industry themselves paying for the time slots. In another word, the cause of a dying Japanese anime industry was not due to a failed business model. But Japan as a nation is failing on a social level due to the social breakdowns(http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/japan_retired/27301/1) caused by the darker side of the Japanese society(http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1462&categoryid=8efaece9-9236-b5fb-398190195400eb5b&fuseaction=topics.events_item_topics&event_id=368261). And the 10 years long Japanese economic recession was only an indication of the social breakdown, because normally a recession should only last for 2 years at most.

It was during the 10 years long Japanese economic recession, that's when the 3rd generation of anime otakus/fanatics took over the general direction of anime series from the 1990's to early 2000's, to be more realistic instead of being idealistic, and more comforting instead of inspiring. The story settings had more references based on current events of that time period, and more emphasis was put on characters developments rather than the story plots. This is because during the recession period, a lot of the social issues like elitism and collective mentality(ironically, the Japanese economic boom during the early 50's to late 80's was a direct result of such educational & social structure) weren't addressed during the previous economic boom, had begone to cause social breakdowns within the Japanese society. This discouraged the Japanese youths back then, to a point that made a good number of them antisocial, if not cynical and/or suicidal. So in order to appeal to this generation of Japanese youths, the anime industry was forced to change their orientations.

At the same time, the anime industry was scrambling to reform in order to survive the impending economic recession. The media publishers, toys manufacturers, and the gaming companies were collaborating more and more with each others, while using anime as an medium to advertise their products toward the Japanese youths. OTOH, most of the anime production companies and studios were being bought out by the bigger medias, toys, and games corporations in order to survive. In the end, the anime industry survived the 10 years long recession together with a new breed of anime fanatics, at the cost of their ideals and inspirations. As they entered the early 2000's led by an even more niche but now antisocial 4th generation anime otakus. And the rest, is the reality of now as we know it; a dying industry with a tanked domestic market due to an aging & failing society, not economic recession.

And here's another piece of fact to consider. In the late 90's, legally digitized anime medias were first made available outside of Japan by pioneer VHS-fansubbers turned international anime licensing companies, as R1 anime DVD. However, the rampant fansub release and distribution over the internet killed off the incentive of legally digitized anime medias around mid 2000's, while international anime licensing companies were already sponsoring anime production since early 2000's.

And now, as the world heading towards global recession, no international company is stupid enough to sponsor a dying anime industry with next to nothing market return. And the fear incited elitist attitude & collective mentality of the fansub community, while surprisingly mirroring the aging & failing Japanese society, is dragging down the anime community along with it. As long as they don't actively fight back the corruption of fansubs themselves, the anime community consisting of the anime industry and their fans, will share the same misplaced fears incited mentality as the fansub community, and they shall share the same fate as the aging & dying Japanese society. And don't even count on the authority to stop the corruption, because as long as the community's collective mentality lacks the courage to face the truth, the authority has no power to stop the corruption. This is also why Japan has such low crime rate despise the social breakdowns, because the collective mentality lacked the courage to report the corruptions.

And with that, I'll make my peace by no longer subjecting myself with the corrupted collective mentality and the perverse incentive of misplaced fears.
Posted 3/6/09 , edited 3/7/09
If the anime companies knew how to sell their stuff in a profitable way and knew how to spread it in the whole world then fansubbers wouldn't even exist because there'd be no need for fansubbers.

It's not the fansubbers' fault that the anime companies suck at marketing. If the anime industry will die out then it's certainly not going to be the fansubbers' fault.

And now, please, your rants about how evil the fansubbers are and how they are destroying the anime industry is not just utter shit and bile but also completely dim-witted. Instead of focusing on how to help the anime industry in making their products more appealing for its audiences to buy them, you encourage the anime industry to spend money on a futile fight which is - stupid.

If you can't win against your opponent, try to cooperate with him and make the best of it.



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Why are you so butthurt Doms? O.o?
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wow dom you like trolling here as much as 4chan don't cha
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OMFG get a life ahole
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Who thinks of that? Really? Who even cares?
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I Don't Have The Will Power To Read All That...
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wow, you really got something against fansubs. this is even stupider than the unwinnable 'War on Drugs'
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Yes, yes, now go sit in the corner smirking to yourself, thinking about the self-gratifying action you just wrote.

Stop trolling.
Posted 3/7/09 , edited 3/7/09

macphapie wrote:

Why are you so butthurt Doms? O.o?

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

wow dom you like trolling here as much as 4chan don't cha

allaynagurl143 wrote:

OMFG get a life ahole

JacopeX wrote:

Who thinks of that? Really? Who even cares?

h4x0rz wrote:

wow, you really got something against fansubs. this is even stupider than the unwinnable 'War on Drugs'

darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:

Yes, yes, now go sit in the corner smirking to yourself, thinking about the self-gratifying action you just wrote.

Stop trolling.
Why are you so afraid of the truth, is it because the truth is unpleasant to you? Is that why you don't want to commit yourself to change, and only pretending like some internet tough guys but in reality, that's not even who you are? You're only acting tough on the internet because you're only discussing with me on a virtual construct, but when you lack the courage to face truth based on facts of reality, you won't have the guts to talk to me in real life. And you can't deny any of that, as long as you're only voicing your opinions on the internet.

ShroomInferno wrote:

If the anime companies knew how to sell their stuff in a profitable way and knew how to spread it in the whole world then fansubbers wouldn't even exist because there'd be no need for fansubbers.

It's not the fansubbers' fault that the anime companies suck at marketing. If the anime industry will die out then it's certainly not going to be the fansubbers' fault.

And now, please, your rants about how evil the fansubbers are and how they are destroying the anime industry is not just utter shit and bile but also completely dim-witted. Instead of focusing on how to help the anime industry in making their products more appealing for its audiences to buy them, you encourage the anime industry to spend money on a futile fight which is - stupid.

If you can't win against your opponent, try to cooperate with him and make the best of it.



This thread has been reported for its redundancy, cynicism and juvenile nature.
So when the anime industry cannot win against the corruptions and perverse incentive of the fansub commuinty, they should just die? OK then. Because all fansub community want is free anime without licensing, and that will not support the anime industry. While at the same time, nobody will even sponsor a dying anime industry due to no return market values.
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macphapie wrote:

Why are you so butthurt Doms? O.o?

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

wow dom you like trolling here as much as 4chan don't cha

allaynagurl143 wrote:

OMFG get a life ahole

JacopeX wrote:

Who thinks of that? Really? Who even cares?

h4x0rz wrote:

wow, you really got something against fansubs. this is even stupider than the unwinnable 'War on Drugs'

darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:

Yes, yes, now go sit in the corner smirking to yourself, thinking about the self-gratifying action you just wrote.

Stop trolling.
Why are you so afraid of the truth, is it because the truth is unpleasant to you? Is that why you don't want to commit yourself to change, and only pretending like some internet tough guys but in reality, that's not even who you are? You're only acting tough on the internet because you're only discussing with me on a virtual construct, but when you lack the courage to face truth based on facts of reality, you won't have the guts to talk to me in real life. And you can't deny any of that, as long as you're only voicing your opinions on the internet.


commit to what change the face that most anime that i like will never leave japan and never see the light of day in America and there is no other way to watch it but downloading fansubs because America is such an uptight moral a-hole nation or the fact it cost 30-40 for a dvd with only 4 or even 5 episodes if that, I do own alot of anime on dvd for those that I support and I am happy to see in here in the states as well as some on my xbox 360 lol, I don't know what else to really say but man your not going to change my mind at all sorry. Oh btw I really would say this to you in real life I am not a pussy as many people are on the net are.
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
commit to what change the face that most anime that i like will never leave japan and never see the light of day in America and there is no other way to watch it but downloading fansubs because America is such an uptight moral a-hole nation or the fact it cost 30-40 for a dvd with only 4 or even 5 episodes if that, I do own alot of anime on dvd for those that I support and I am happy to see in here in the states as well as some on my xbox 360 lol, I don't know what else to really say but man your not going to change my mind at all sorry. Oh btw I really would say this to you in real life I am not a pussy as many people are on the net are.
A knee-jerking reaction with no physical evidence to support your claim. You're irrelevant when you can't even change my opinions on you with your internet antic.
Posted 3/7/09

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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
commit to what change the face that most anime that i like will never leave japan and never see the light of day in America and there is no other way to watch it but downloading fansubs because America is such an uptight moral a-hole nation or the fact it cost 30-40 for a dvd with only 4 or even 5 episodes if that, I do own alot of anime on dvd for those that I support and I am happy to see in here in the states as well as some on my xbox 360 lol, I don't know what else to really say but man your not going to change my mind at all sorry. Oh btw I really would say this to you in real life I am not a pussy as many people are on the net are.
A knee-jerking reaction with no physical evidence to support your claim. You're irrelevant when you can't even change my opinions on you with your internet antic.


Okay I am done feeding you troll hows about this go hug your little 14 year old girl friend and meet Chris Hanson because all you want to do is piss people off and well I can do the same I will not reply back to you, but you know what I really hope you do get a fucking life someday
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
Okay I am done feeding you troll hows about this go hug your little 14 year old girl friend and meet Chris Hanson because all you want to do is piss people off and well I can do the same I will not reply back to you, but you know what I really hope you do get a fucking life someday
Low tolerance on unpleasant situation. lack of commitment on one's self, failed to make any progress, and no real content in one's opinion. You internet tough guys are all the same.
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Wow, you retards are doing exactly what the trolling OP is wanting you to do.......LMAO @ these bs comments in this thread over the OP's thoroughly researched rant. *sighs*
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