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Ok.
After watching 00 S2's episodes 21 and 22 and having some time to digest the episodes, i can't help but realize that I have mixed feelings about Innovation. If it is true that Aeolia Schenberg intended to lead humans on the path to becoming innovators, then allow me to list some points on why this may be good and/or bad.


PRO INNOVATION
- Humans'll definitely lose the idiocy that spurns war since they will have the common sense or intelligence to realize that war is pointless and can be avoided
- Advancement in all fields can be predicted -- the new society will experience an unprecedentedly more advanced state of living
- (concerning 00's plot) Innovation itself is a very interesting twist, so naturally it would also be interesting to know how the world's innovation will come about.


ANTI INNOVATION
- 50-50. It is not a "100%-guarantee cure". It is not certain that when people have the intellect of innovators that they will also be purged of the malice to commit malicious acts towards their fellow humans. Innovation does not eliminate the evil within man.
- (UNSURE) The current Innovators are genderless. I hope Setsuna and the "Human Innovators" that follow him will not become genderless...
- (continuation) Innovation goes against the sacredness of the created Humans. It's like the arguments about cloning -- if you believe in a Creator, you cannot deny the unethical aspect of this. Innovation may take away the very essence of what it means to be human...






What do you guys think?
Posted 7/28/09

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Ok.
After watching 00 S2's episodes 21 and 22 and having some time to digest the episodes, i can't help but realize that I have mixed feelings about Innovation. If it is true that Aeolia Schenberg intended to lead humans on the path to becoming innovators, then allow me to list some points on why this may be good and/or bad.


PRO INNOVATION
- Humans'll definitely lose the idiocy that spurns war since they will have the common sense or intelligence to realize that war is pointless and can be avoided
- Advancement in all fields can be predicted -- the new society will experience an unprecedentedly more advanced state of living
- (concerning 00's plot) Innovation itself is a very interesting twist, so naturally it would also be interesting to know how the world's innovation will come about.


ANTI INNOVATION
- 50-50. It is not a "100%-guarantee cure". It is not certain that when people have the intellect of innovators that they will also be purged of the malice to commit malicious acts towards their fellow humans. Innovation does not eliminate the evil within man.
- (UNSURE) The current Innovators are genderless. I hope Setsuna and the "Human Innovators" that follow him will not become genderless...
- (continuation) Innovation goes against the sacredness of the created Humans. It's like the arguments about cloning -- if you believe in a Creator, you cannot deny the unethical aspect of this. Innovation may take away the very essence of what it means to be human...






What do you guys think?


setsuna does have his gender but setsuna can no longer age according to animag. I don't think humans are mean't to live forever, That said innovation does enable better understanding of ppls feelings but i believe there are those who will misuse that power as well i mean imagine a guy like ali undergoing innovation
Posted 7/29/09
You think that they will lose the will to start war? I think that only happens when all think alike, but then the whole individuality will be lost and everyone will be the same! And thats nothing you can foce on people! Thats why I think it was teh wrong way, if you force people to something and do it too fast then people will go against it....its like that that humans need to find it out alone, without forcing them! Actually like kids do!
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setsuna does have his gender but setsuna can no longer age according to animag. I don't think humans are mean't to live forever, That said innovation does enable better understanding of ppls feelings but i believe there are those who will misuse that power as well i mean imagine a guy like ali undergoing innovation




Lol, this was written nearly 5 months ago
Anyways, animag or no animag, yes Setsuna doesn't seem androgynous.. yet. Animag only recounts current details, right? Who knows, maybe those who have control over the 00 movie script with divulge that to descent to androgyny will further as time furthers... Scary.
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You think that they will lose the will to start war? I think that only happens when all think alike, but then the whole individuality will be lost and everyone will be the same! And thats nothing you can foce on people! Thats why I think it was teh wrong way, if you force people to something and do it too fast then people will go against it....its like that that humans need to find it out alone, without forcing them! Actually like kids do!


Amen! Innovation is not the way, I agree. And yes, if we were all to be made the same, then gender, leadership skills and creativity would have no use. And yeah, we sure wouldn't force our own feelings on our children coz they would surely grow up unhappy and weak. ;)
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Ahem. I have another question:



jellybean101 wrote:
- (concerning 00's plot) Innovation itself is a very interesting twist, so naturally it would also be interesting to know how the world's innovation will come about.



Is the 00raisertransamGNparticledispersion really enough to envelope the whole world, or does Aeolia have another machine up his smelly decaying sleeve?
(well yeah Aeolia's body was destroyed naked so it's figurative language that he has no clothes)

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Ahem. I have another question:



jellybean101 wrote:
- (concerning 00's plot) Innovation itself is a very interesting twist, so naturally it would also be interesting to know how the world's innovation will come about.



Is the 00raisertransamGNparticledispersion really enough to envelope the whole world, or does Aeolia have another machine up his smelly decaying sleeve?
(well yeah Aeolia's body was destroyed naked so it's figurative language that he has no clothes)



I THINK ITS NOT ENOUGH
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I THINK ITS NOT ENOUGH


Oh so u think that there is another machine that will help spread the particles,
or that Celestial Being esp. the Vashtis/Kujou will devise a tactic that involves the capabilities of the three remaining meisters?


or they might use some of the new innovator trivia from the newly released 00I side story.
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xxraihaxx wrote:



I THINK ITS NOT ENOUGH


Oh so u think that there is another machine that will help spread the particles,
or that Celestial Being esp. the Vashtis/Kujou will devise a tactic that involves the capabilities of the three remaining meisters?


or they might use some of the new innovator trivia from the newly released 00I side story.


HOW SHOULD I KNOW THATS WE HAVE TO SEE IN THE MOVIE
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HOW SHOULD I KNOW THATS WE HAVE TO SEE IN THE MOVIE




Oh lol i just thought that it'd be a good topic for discussion.. oh well.. your vote's counted though!
It's one to nil, in favor of GNparticledispersionfrom00raisertransamNOTenough
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Posted 8/3/09

miuanna wrote:

You think that they will lose the will to start war? I think that only happens when all think alike, but then the whole individuality will be lost and everyone will be the same! And thats nothing you can foce on people! Thats why I think it was teh wrong way, if you force people to something and do it too fast then people will go against it....its like that that humans need to find it out alone, without forcing them! Actually like kids do!


i don't think innovation will make people the same it will only allow people to have a better understanding of each other. Innovaton will allow someone to feel the feelings of others. Innovation alone won't end war but it might help to bring an end to it after all when setsuna went trans am burst it didn't stop lyle and ali from tearing it up.
Posted 8/3/09

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xxraihaxx wrote:


Double o can produce the highest amount of particles then any other mobile suit. If there is gonna be a suit to spread particles all over the earth then double o will be it. But i don't think all of humanity needs to undergo innovation in order to attain peace. Perhaps a certain few after all there are those that are not worthy of innovation



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