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Kira vs Shinn
Posted 3/9/09 , edited 3/12/09
The first 1(SF vs Destiny did NOT seem to good.) I hope this 1 is better


Im with Kira, Kira is more skilled. He saw people die in horror in front of his eyes. Shinn saw people die coz he killed some gruesomely. and, kira is the better pilot and has a better gundam. shinn likes to kill. dat is reasons i hate shinn. so go for kira!! and plus, i hate shinn and i hate his gundams
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Posted 3/12/09
Kira has too much plot armor. Shinn would just die of teh gayness.
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Posted 3/13/09 , edited 3/13/09
As far as I'm concerned, caos' post pretty much says it all. I can already tell where this one's going so it's better off being called "Shinn sucks because..." and have everyone else fill it in.

IMO nobody should bother making Kira vs _____ threads here (especially vs Shinn) since majority of the members of this group are SEED fans and are most likely Kira worshippers as well. It'll just be another collection of posts that are simply rephrasing 5 things that pro-Kira people will ALWAYS say.

1. Kira is the best pilot.
2. The Strike Freedom is the best Gundam.
3. SEED Mode is 1337
4. Kira is the Ultimate Coordinator.
5. Kira is a Newtype.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate fans of SEED and/or Kira. I just don't like the SEED series and the fact that every supporter of Kira will always state the same reasons for him being better.
Posted 3/14/09
i know this guy called DoodleZ30 thinks shinn is the best pilot
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Posted 3/14/09
Well, there's always bound to be a percentage of the fan population who are fans of other characters. It just so happens that the usual fan is a fan of Kira.
Posted 3/20/09
and the usual fan hates shinn. i dunno how much percente of Seedlings hate shinn. but im not really pro kira coz i also surrport athrun in athrun vs ___ threads. and i surrport nearly every seed guy in a VS thread exept shinn or rau or rei or durandual. so pro kira and athrun. and yes, he did have a newtype flash. but i believe he is a late newtype coz newtypes power bloom when they have a short period of time but kira took like 3 years to learn. he is a late bloomer. and yet alot of seed fans no everything about seed but i dont.i dunno the history of strike freedom but it sure is sexier than the destiny
Posted 3/20/09
shinn haters say this

shinn is the worst pilot
destiny is the worst gundam
shinn is stupid
shinn is a male and corrordinator version of fllay but hates natruals
Posted 3/20/09 , edited 3/22/09
Kira in GS= Amuro in the original MSG
Kira in GSD= Amuro in Zeta/CCABC
shinn in GSD= Kamile in Zeta but more hated

kira is like amuro in CCABC coz the SF has wing lasers like the hi-nu so i depend on the type of MS and timeline. Amuro>Kamile is same as Kira>Shinn. and not only funnels on SF lookin like hi nu but firepower(hi nu has beam cannons) i heard some guys say dat
Note: I thought Strike Freedom would b NU FREEDOM(dat is a nice name, u should named it dat Fukuda!) and hi nu and sf were both custom ms. amuro had it custom and sf was modified/built 4 kira.
source: wikipedia
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The ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom currently has no clear fictional "historical" background, as various official sources have some contradicting statements. However, the sources at least agree that Strike Freedom was completed in secret by Terminal or the Clyne Faction. It is also agreed that the mobile suit is based on the earlier ZGMF-X10A Freedom and is powered by the Ultracompact Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Fission Reactor.

In the Master Grade model kit manual,[4] Strike Freedom was stated as originally under the production of ZAFT as a newer version of the ZGMF-X10A Freedom. In the manual, this mobile suit was planned by ZAFT to be mass-produced for achieving victory for any war. Further in the manual, Strike Freedom's maiden flight was slated for after the Armory One Incident (The incident shown in early episodes of Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny). Later, during the final stages of its development, Terminal stole the mobile suit and modified it for Kira Yamato, resulting it to become a highly powerful mobile suit. It explained the "ZGMF" model number, which is common for ZAFT's mobile suits. Shigeru Morita's declarations over his will to build links between Strike Freedom, Destiny and Stargazer, that the first two field a propulsion system derived from Stargazer's "Voiture Lumière" interplanetary propulsion system, also confirmed by this manual.

From the High Grade model kit manual,[5] Strike Freedom was completed by the former Clyne Faction led by Lacus Clyne. The manual states that the Strike Freedom was created by stealing data from the next-generation Second Stage series that was under development by ZAFT and combined with data from the Freedom which was restored in Orb after the previous war, the Bloody Valentine War (the main plot of the TV series Mobile Suit Gundam SEED). Further stated, as this hybrid machine is a further power-up of the Freedom, which already surpassed ordinary mobile suits, no normal human can operate it. The manual also explained the Strike Freedom name, that when Lacus Clyne finally approved the decision of its developers and gave it to Kira Yamato, she gives it the names of the Strike and Freedom that had previously fought alongside him as if offering up a prayer.

Despite the intention of ZAFT to mass produce this Mobile Suit, as in the MG manual, only one mobile suit was known to be completed and deployed in Cosmic Era universe, shown in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny.

I dunno SF's history so it is complicated. Fukuda should tell the truth already. some say destiny is better coz SF was made b4 the destiny but dat is garbage since SF surrpased all MS. SF has more firepower so give up Shinn ASuka bitches!!
SF>Destiny
Posted 3/22/09

caos950042 wrote:

Kira has too much plot armor. Shinn would just die of teh gayness.


how come u said in SF vs Destiny dat Shinn is better? and Kira has a higer dodge rate than Shinn in SRW Z. Shinn usually gets pwned since he is a idiot. And i like the scene wen Gym smacks the shit out of Shinn(GOOD 1 GYM!) in SRW Z stage 4_ somthin. i dun remember. No matter how much shinn improves, Kira is ahead of him 1000 miles and so is Athrun XD
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Posted 3/23/09
^Shinn IS better when it comes to raw skill. Only difference is that Kira's to gay for any kind of actual decent skill to take effect.
Posted 3/24/09

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^Shinn IS better when it comes to raw skill. Only difference is that Kira's to gay for any kind of actual decent skill to take effect.


i know shinn uses critcial skills or raw heart attak but there is no plot armor. just look in SRW Z. If u took de Rand Route, Kira has way better skills than shinn. Freedom is the most powerfu suit and day time but at night, DX has TSC. Kira has higher dodge rate and better critical attack. SEED just sweetens the deal. Shinn gets destiny but SF in the game outmatches it in EVERY and i repeat, EVERY. everyone agrees shinn is the worst pilot ever. even if shinn improves, kira is the ultimate corrrodinator wich no corrodinator can reach him or clone or natrual....... SF has way more firepower than Destiny. since hi-nu had a powerful heavy beam cannon and other cannons, SF is just a recreated hi-nu.
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Posted 3/24/09 , edited 3/24/09
OBJECTION!!!

You disrespect the Hi-Nu by saying it was recreated by the SF. For one thing, the Hi-Nu is not famous for plot armor, is way more stylish, is more balanced, and its Fin Funnels are superior to DRAGOONs.

Caos is right when he said that Kira's too gay for any decent amount of piloting skill to be seen. Besides, plot armor, Kira doesn't need to think of how to make his weapons work against the enemy. All he does is shoot or slice a few fodder, use Full Burst, then kill the remaining units in the same way he did before Full Burst. If he gets into melee combat, he'll just use Xiphias if his melee skills aren't enough. Finally, in the event that nothing he does with his default piloting skills works, he'll just use the SEED Mode panic button and let plot armor do the rest.

Amuro, on the other hand, actually thinks of how to make his weapons work. In CCA, he used a metal wire attached to his bazooka to set a trap for Char, he makes use of his dummy launchers, creates a 360-degree barrier with his Fin Funnels, and even gets into a fist fight with the Sazabi. The Nu and the Hi-Nu are good suits but their weapons can't be used in the same way in any situation, they still require a smart pilot.

It's like Kira is a camper while Amuro is Rambo. The camper knows how to survive in the wild but will surely bring a bag that has all that he needs (the SF). Rambo, though he has the basic stuff he needs, actually needs to make use of his survival skills since the stuff he has isn't always enough.
Posted 3/25/09
im just sayin it is a plot-armor ver of the hi-nu. and hi-nu can have better mobility den SF and SF has no PF(Pysco FRame) wich maks hi-nu better in some sources. adn SF was actually restricted 4 kira. and hi-nu can use a bc 2 knock out alot. and SF is like quick kill while hi-nu is like 4 th ultrahigh senses but SF has wierdo things dat mak it able 4 nearly any guy 12 use it. but hi nu is only 4 those who use senses in fighting since it is 4 nts. and SF is famous not only 4 pa but gold joints or many guns.
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Posted 3/25/09 , edited 3/25/09
I did want to forget about the gold joints. Besides plot armor, the golden joints offend me. XD

What I was trying to say is that Amuro never has a set routine when dealing with enemies. They might follow a similar idea but they're never really the same. He shows more piloting skill since, with his weapons keeping him within range of his enemies' weapons, he doesn't use a routine fighting style. There's no room to be able to pull off the same style all the time. He mixes it up.

Kira, on the other hand, just stays far away and uses Full Burst then kills off the remaining units every time. That's all he ever does since it, for some reason, always works. It's like watching a replay of the same fight over and over again. The only times it'd be different is when he gets into melee combat but then he'll just use Xiphias to gain space then get back to beam spam.
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Posted 3/25/09

Kirafan wrote:


caos950042 wrote:

^Shinn IS better when it comes to raw skill. Only difference is that Kira's to gay for any kind of actual decent skill to take effect.


i know shinn uses critcial skills or raw heart attak but there is no plot armor. just look in SRW Z. If u took de Rand Route, Kira has way better skills than shinn. Freedom is the most powerfu suit and day time but at night, DX has TSC. Kira has higher dodge rate and better critical attack. SEED just sweetens the deal. Shinn gets destiny but SF in the game outmatches it in EVERY and i repeat, EVERY. everyone agrees shinn is the worst pilot ever. even if shinn improves, kira is the ultimate corrrodinator wich no corrodinator can reach him or clone or natrual....... SF has way more firepower than Destiny. since hi-nu had a powerful heavy beam cannon and other cannons, SF is just a recreated hi-nu.


Like I said, gayness >>>>> skill. Shinn is more skilled than Kira, more innovative, and has actually a more understandable reason as to why he fights than Kira does.

Shinn's Reason: He's pissed at the world because it screwed him over from living with his family.
Kira's Reason: To not kill anyone.

Many people have said that Kira wouldn't actually be gay if he was stuck in the Strike for the entire Gundam Seed. When he switched over to the Freedom, he became gay. If you want proof of the gayness, watch how he does the exact same thing over and over and over again until people die of boredom.
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