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Is God Real?
Posted 3/14/09
Do you think god is real?
If so prove it.

To me I don't think he is and because i have proof.

If god was real then why did he let Jesus die? When he could have saved him with his powers?
Also if he was also real then what is he/ she or even it?
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I really have no idea if God is real or not. I'm agnostic. XD The argument could be made either way, I suppose. Like for atheists it's easy to say that all things can be explained by science. Which most things can, to be certain. On the other hand, when you think about where life actually starts, that's baffling to scientists. Like, there was a scientist who closely examined a sperm fertilizing an embyro. He saw all the biological parts of it, but not where the LIFE started. Where did the soul come from? Where did the driving force behind the creature come from? He couldn't answer those questions. So it's kind of an interesting debate. Me, I have noooo frigging idea, and debating about it never gets ANYwhere, because both sides have questions they can't answer. So I just don't worry about it. XD It's much easier that way. Haha.
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XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Do you think god is real?
If so prove it.

To me I don't think he is and because i have proof.

If god was real then why did he let Jesus die? When he could have saved him with his powers?
Also if he was also real then what is he/ she or even it?


Yes, I believe. Actually God(Allah) did save Jesus.


[4:157]That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:

[4:158] Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise
(Quran)
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Posted 3/14/09 , edited 3/14/09

XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Do you think god is real?
If so prove it.

To me I don't think he is and because i have proof.

If god was real then why did he let Jesus die? When he could have saved him with his powers?
Also if he was also real then what is he/ she or even it?


Wow that's amazing proof.

Yes I think God is real, because the belief in a higher power and benevolence are both innate in humans, and there has to be something that put that there. And that something is some sort of benevolent higher power. Also, I think it's crazy to believe we have no purpose or meaning to our lives considering the depth of human thinking (philosophy, religion, morality, etc).
Posted 3/14/09
Really? So your saying that lepprocans are real too? and that we have to have that Benevolent higher power?
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XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Really? So your saying that lepprocans are real too? and that we have to have that Benevolent higher power?


First of all you can't even spell it right. Secondly how did you get that I believe in leprechauns from my post? Arrogant, ignorant atheists are worse than religious fundamentalists IMO.
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Posted 3/14/09

XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Do you think god is real?
If so prove it.

To me I don't think he is and because i have proof.

If god was real then why did he let Jesus die? When he could have saved him with his powers?
Also if he was also real then what is he/ she or even it?


Jesus actually chose to die for all of mankind's sins. Jesus could have saved Himself, and the Romans and Jews mocked Him by asking Him to do so. But if Jesus saved Himself than sin would not have been atoned for. Jesus is the perfect sacrifice to atone for all the sins of mankind so that we may have forgiveness. Jesus even conquered death by giving Himself life 3 days later.
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Posted 3/14/09

Yei wrote:


XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Do you think god is real?
If so prove it.

To me I don't think he is and because i have proof.

If god was real then why did he let Jesus die? When he could have saved him with his powers?
Also if he was also real then what is he/ she or even it?


Wow that's amazing proof.

Yes I think God is real, because the belief in a higher power and benevolence are both innate in humans, and there has to be something that put that there. And that something is some sort of benevolent higher power. Also, I think it's crazy to believe we have no purpose or meaning to our lives considering the depth of human thinking (philosophy, religion, morality, etc).


We have no purpose, we simply exist because millions of years ago, certian conditions were met that allowed the creation of the first surviving cell, that cell mutiplied and eventually became complex life, life itself has no purpose or meaning, it just exists because that first cell survived and mutiplied, if that cell had died, there would probally be no life on earth at all. or it would be a lot different, but no we as a race do not have a purpose.
Posted 3/14/09 , edited 4/5/09

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Yei wrote:


XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Do you think god is real?
If so prove it.

To me I don't think he is and because i have proof.

If god was real then why did he let Jesus die? When he could have saved him with his powers?
Also if he was also real then what is he/ she or even it?


Wow that's amazing proof.

Yes I think God is real, because the belief in a higher power and benevolence are both innate in humans, and there has to be something that put that there. And that something is some sort of benevolent higher power. Also, I think it's crazy to believe we have no purpose or meaning to our lives considering the depth of human thinking (philosophy, religion, morality, etc).


We have no purpose, we simply exist because millions of years ago, certian conditions were met that allowed the creation of the first surviving cell, that cell mutiplied and eventually became complex life, life itself has no purpose or meaning, it just exists because that first cell survived and mutiplied, if that cell had died, there would probally be no life on earth at all. or it would be a lot different, but no we as a race do not have a purpose.


EXACTLY! }:O See thank you for that stupid Yei person being a hater!
Btw if your not tolerant of other religions or bliefts then Don't Post seriously.


Yei wrote:


XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Really? So your saying that lepprocans are real too? and that we have to have that Benevolent higher power?


First of all you can't even spell it right. Secondly how did you get that I believe in leprechauns from my post? Arrogant, ignorant atheists are worse than religious fundamentalists IMO.


LOOK here! }:O I'm just telling you my proof that i don't believe in god.
You don't have to be so Mean about it ok? I know you believe in god but also be tolerant of those who don't blieve in what you say.

Do you have proof god isn real?

Any of the people of Israel, or of the aliens who reside in Israel, who give any of their offspring to Molech shall be put to death; the people of the land shall stone them to death. I myself will set my face against them, and will cut them off from the people, because they have given of their offspring to Molech, defiling my sanctuary and profaning my holy name. And if the people of the land should ever close their eyes to them, when they give of their offspring to Molech, and do not put them to death, I myself will set my face against them and against their family, and will cut them off from among their people, them and all who follow them in prostituting themselves to Molech.
If any turn to mediums and wizards, prostituting themselves to them, I will set my face against them, and will cut them off from the people. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy; for I am the Lord your God. Keep my statutes, and observe them; I am the Lord; I sanctify you. All who curse father or mother shall be put to death; having cursed father or mother, their blood is upon them.

If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. [Leviticus, chapter 20]

I thought the person who wrote the bible was smart?

OWNED!
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Posted 3/14/09

Allhailodin wrote:

We have no purpose, we simply exist because millions of years ago, certian conditions were met that allowed the creation of the first surviving cell, that cell mutiplied and eventually became complex life, life itself has no purpose or meaning, it just exists because that first cell survived and mutiplied, if that cell had died, there would probally be no life on earth at all. or it would be a lot different, but no we as a race do not have a purpose.


lol how could you possibly know that? The chances of it happening all by luck are unbelievable and like I said, to me and everyone else who believes in God, humanity obviously has some sort of purpose.
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Posted 3/14/09 , edited 3/14/09

XxBillyxNoBS wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:


XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Do you think god is real?
If so prove it.

To me I don't think he is and because i have proof.

If god was real then why did he let Jesus die? When he could have saved him with his powers?
Also if he was also real then what is he/ she or even it?


Wow that's amazing proof.

Yes I think God is real, because the belief in a higher power and benevolence are both innate in humans, and there has to be something that put that there. And that something is some sort of benevolent higher power. Also, I think it's crazy to believe we have no purpose or meaning to our lives considering the depth of human thinking (philosophy, religion, morality, etc).


We have no purpose, we simply exist because millions of years ago, certian conditions were met that allowed the creation of the first surviving cell, that cell mutiplied and eventually became complex life, life itself has no purpose or meaning, it just exists because that first cell survived and mutiplied, if that cell had died, there would probally be no life on earth at all. or it would be a lot different, but no we as a race do not have a purpose.


EXACTLY! }:O See thank you for that stupid Yei person being a hater!
Btw if your not tolerant of other religions or bliefts then Don't Post seriously.


How can you ask that only tolerant people post when you call someone else's view stupid? The root of tolerance is respect. And your proof against God is proof against Christianity, which really isn't proof but is an argument assuming that God was powerless to save Jesus. I am a Christian and I believe in the Bible. However, within the Bible it calls me to respect those who disagree and show God's Love to all people. Although I don't agree with them, I respect Muslims, atheists, agnostics, and all religious (or lack thereof) beliefs.

And about your quoting of Leviticus 20, how does that make Moses (who wrote Leviticus) stupid? It lists what is sin and gives punishments to those who are within God's covenant. Those were laws that were to be kept, but again God doesn't love the death of the wicked, He is merciful.
Eze 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
Eze 18:21 "But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die.
Eze 18:22 None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live.
Eze 18:23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
Eze 18:24 "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die.
Eze 18:25 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear, O house of Israel: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust?
Eze 18:26 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die.
Eze 18:27 But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life.
Eze 18:28 Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die.
Eze 18:29 Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Are my ways unjust, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?

Posted 3/14/09 , edited 4/5/09
Another Proof Praying to God

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!


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XxBillyxNoBS wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:


XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Do you think god is real?
If so prove it.

To me I don't think he is and because i have proof.

If god was real then why did he let Jesus die? When he could have saved him with his powers?
Also if he was also real then what is he/ she or even it?


Wow that's amazing proof.

Yes I think God is real, because the belief in a higher power and benevolence are both innate in humans, and there has to be something that put that there. And that something is some sort of benevolent higher power. Also, I think it's crazy to believe we have no purpose or meaning to our lives considering the depth of human thinking (philosophy, religion, morality, etc).


We have no purpose, we simply exist because millions of years ago, certian conditions were met that allowed the creation of the first surviving cell, that cell mutiplied and eventually became complex life, life itself has no purpose or meaning, it just exists because that first cell survived and mutiplied, if that cell had died, there would probally be no life on earth at all. or it would be a lot different, but no we as a race do not have a purpose.


EXACTLY! }:O See thank you for that stupid Yei person being a hater!
Btw if your not tolerant of other religions or bliefts then Don't Post seriously.


How can you ask that only tolerant people post when you call someone else's view stupid? The root of tolerance is respect. And your proof against God is proof against Christianity, which really isn't proof but is an argument assuming that God was powerless to save Jesus. I am a Christian and I believe in the Bible. However, within the Bible it calls me to respect those who disagree and show God's Love to all people. Although I don't agree with them, I respect Muslims, atheists, agnostics, and all religious (or lack thereof) beliefs.


Really? You think i'm actually against you Christianity! Wow.... I'm just saying my theory and belieft.
Really If god was sooo Powerful in the damn world why didn't he just save Jesus from being whipped to death.
And nail across a cross and left to die.
THEN HE HAS THE NERVES TO PRATICALLY BRING HIM BACK TO LIVE AFTER 3 DAYS?
WOW.

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Posted 3/14/09 , edited 3/14/09

XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

Do you think god is real?
If so prove it.

To me I don't think he is and because i have proof.

If god was real then why did he let Jesus die? When he could have saved him with his powers?
Also if he was also real then what is he/ she or even it?


http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-437233/science-proves-that-god-exists/
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XxBillyxNoBS wrote:

EXACTLY! }:O See thank you for that stupid Yei person being a hater!
Btw if your not tolerant of other religions or bliefts then Don't Post seriously.


I've never really been bothered by extremely religious people trying to convert me and I've never been bothered the slightest bit by anyone trying to impose their religious beliefs on me. All the religious people I've discussed things with are very respectful and understanding and intelligent...

But some of the atheists I come across.....

I don't even wanna bother.
Posted 3/14/09
Another proof!

The fact is, God never answers any prayers. The entire idea that "God answers prayers" is an illusion created by human imagination.

How do we know that "answered prayers" are illusions? We simply perform scientific experiments. We ask a group of believers to pray for something and then we watch what happens. What we find, whenever we test the efficacy of prayer scientifically, is that prayer has zero effect:

It does not matter who prays.
It does not matter if we pray to God, Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, Ra or any other human god.
It does not matter what we pray about.
If we perform scientific, double-blind tests on prayer, and if the prayers involve something concrete and measurable (for example, healing people with cancer), we know that there is zero effect from prayer. Every single "answered prayer" is nothing more than a coincidence. Both scientific experiments and your everyday observations of the world show this to be the case every single time.
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