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God is made of matter? How did you come up with that conclusion?

Remember that people believe that for God, anything is possible. That includes creating something out of nothing, being in a space that has yet to exist and him not being made of matter. That alone destroyed your whole argument.


I agree with you gal. Good night.


'So with what logic makes what he/she said anymore logical than a 5 year old having a imaginary friend?


What she believes in, is none of your business. It's her life.

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xeereex wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


vinsane01 wrote:

God is made of matter? How did you come up with that conclusion?

Remember that people believe that for God, anything is possible. That includes creating something out of nothing, being in a space that has yet to exist and him not being made of matter. That alone destroyed your whole argument.


I agree with you gal. Good night.


'So with what logic makes what he/she said anymore logical than a 5 year old having a imaginary friend?


What she believes in, is none of your business. It's her life.



Wen religion fucks the rest of us over than yes Its all are damn Business.
Posted 3/15/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


vinsane01 wrote:

God is made of matter? How did you come up with that conclusion?

Remember that people believe that for God, anything is possible. That includes creating something out of nothing, being in a space that has yet to exist and him not being made of matter. That alone destroyed your whole argument.


I agree with you gal. Good night.


'So with what logic makes what he/she said anymore logical than a 5 year old having a imaginary friend?


What she believes in, is none of your business. It's her life.



Wen religion fucks the rest of us over than yes Its all are damn Business.


how has it 'fucked the rest of us over'?
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


vinsane01 wrote:

God is made of matter? How did you come up with that conclusion?

Remember that people believe that for God, anything is possible. That includes creating something out of nothing, being in a space that has yet to exist and him not being made of matter. That alone destroyed your whole argument.


I agree with you gal. Good night.


'So with what logic makes what he/she said anymore logical than a 5 year old having a imaginary friend?


What she believes in, is none of your business. It's her life.



Wen religion fucks the rest of us over than yes Its all are damn Business.


how has it 'fucked the rest of us over'?


Science, Education, even what we are aloud to see and not see.. This is all affected by nut jobs in the religous Calt.

Think about it. Why do you think countries with less religion have higher Ranks in Education.
People today still try to say Evolution is JUST A Theory, because Evolution does not work with there religion. Did you know the guy that found out that Earth was not the center of the univers was put to death by the church, because that was not what the church agree with.
Religion is a handycap that slows down science, and health do to its bronze age backword thinking.

Posted 3/15/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


cerisey wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


vinsane01 wrote:

God is made of matter? How did you come up with that conclusion?

Remember that people believe that for God, anything is possible. That includes creating something out of nothing, being in a space that has yet to exist and him not being made of matter. That alone destroyed your whole argument.


I agree with you gal. Good night.


'So with what logic makes what he/she said anymore logical than a 5 year old having a imaginary friend?


What she believes in, is none of your business. It's her life.



Wen religion fucks the rest of us over than yes Its all are damn Business.


how has it 'fucked the rest of us over'?


Science, Education, even what we are aloud to see and not see.. This is all affected by nut jobs in the religous Calt.

Think about it. Why do you think countries with less religion have higher Ranks in Education.
People today still try to say Evolution is JUST A Theory, because Evolution does not work with there religion. Did you know the guy that found out that Earth was not the center of the univers was put to death by the church, because that was not what the church agree with.
Religion is a handycap that slows down science, and health do to its bronze age backword thinking.



Evolution is a scientific theory with evidence, it's considered the backbone for biology and is the closest thing to the truth we have. I don't disagree here. But people who do disagree don't necessarily do it because of religion.
Galileo Galilei right? I don't think he was put to death, but he was imprisoned and forbidden from further writings on it (to my understanding).
It SLOWED down science. To be slowed down by religion in current times, in our 'free' world? Hardly. Yes, it still raises controversy and problems in certain societies but I don't see how it is directly 'fucking you over'.
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Posted 3/16/09

xeereex wrote:


vinsane01 wrote:

God is made of matter? How did you come up with that conclusion?

Remember that people believe that for God, anything is possible. That includes creating something out of nothing, being in a space that has yet to exist and him not being made of matter. That alone destroyed your whole argument.


I agree with you gal. Good night.


lol im not a girl.

I need to change my avatar. But i like olivia lufkin so much.
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he is because i said so
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i can prove that what th Bible said is true.
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm >>> Noah's ark was FOUND. =)
St Francis Xavier, a Spanish Jesuit missionary, was NOT decompose until now from few hundreds of years!
http://www.goaholidayhomes.com/info/318/st-francis-xavier/

and in Christian Bible, Revelation, there are lots of information what will happen in the future and some were already happened!
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Posted 3/16/09 , edited 3/16/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


cerisey wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


vinsane01 wrote:

God is made of matter? How did you come up with that conclusion?

Remember that people believe that for God, anything is possible. That includes creating something out of nothing, being in a space that has yet to exist and him not being made of matter. That alone destroyed your whole argument.


I agree with you gal. Good night.


'So with what logic makes what he/she said anymore logical than a 5 year old having a imaginary friend?


What she believes in, is none of your business. It's her life.



Wen religion fucks the rest of us over than yes Its all are damn Business.


how has it 'fucked the rest of us over'?


Science, Education, even what we are aloud to see and not see.. This is all affected by nut jobs in the religous Calt.

Think about it. Why do you think countries with less religion have higher Ranks in Education.
People today still try to say Evolution is JUST A Theory, because Evolution does not work with there religion. Did you know the guy that found out that Earth was not the center of the univers was put to death by the church, because that was not what the church agree with.
Religion is a handycap that slows down science, and health do to its bronze age backword thinking.



none of that makes any sense.

countries with less religion r generally more developed and powerful. They get that was from winning wars and taking over countries in Africa to stunt there ability to grow, and increase theres. Basiclly WW 1 and WW2. religion has nothing to do with it.

Evolution is a thoery because sciece says it is so. religion doesnt even play a part in science, so religion has nothing to do with it.

what does one guy have to do with the majority of us?

religion has nothing to do with science and a morjority of health for a majority of people. I suppose that would fluctiate depending on how you would define health.

just because one guy, or you gets screwed over by religion, doesnt mean its bad for the majority of the population. Srry, but one or two people's lives dont mean much compared to billions.

Edit: forget everything i just said, lets start from the begining. Lets debate how and why religion is destroying the world or even just your country.Prove it to me beyond a reasonable doubt that the world is in turmoil because of religion.

The funny thing about all u anti theist is that u can never give the proof of "clear and present danger" that is associated with religion and u only seem to be agaisnt Christianity rather then any other religion.When ever some one tries to start a debate with any of you, you can never seem to get past the stage of petty name calling and flawed logic.And no, God is not limited by logic. but christians are, and you never seem to hold out long enough in a debate to understand that.For something to be a global crisis, it must include global major issues. not just a bump on your road of life. peace over war
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A lot of Judeo-Christians argue that they don't know a dick about God but they just know He exists. Same goes with proofs--like hell they will have a physical proof for something imaginary.
God is comparable to imaginary numbers, they are just there to temporarily define the anomaly. As with one too many Judeo-Christians woul say, God is unknown. So unknown that they concluded he exists. It does defy the laws of logic. Seriously, how retarded can someone be to believe something exists just because a fairy tale said so? Of course, one might argue that the God is real because a lot of people believe it. The tooth fairy is real then, using that argument.
It seems that the God argument is just there because people cannot seem to gain security with such uncertainty. Or the God believers just do not want to admit how retarded they are for believing into a scam that was obviously a foolish belief to begin with. Stupidity is common to all conscious minds.
Speaking of stupidity, the idea of a God existing is pretty stupid. Why? Ask yourself that. Rationalize.
Ideas do exist. As ideas. The terrorists nuked imagination land by the way.


depends on if u r making a distinction between God and religion. Why do thiest believe in god? i dont know. why do religious people believe in god? there r many reasons and each varies from religion to religion from person to person. I dont believe believing in a god is stupid, but i certainly know having a religion is not some cop out or stupid or retarded.

The funny thing about all u anti theist is that u can never give the proof of "clear and present danger" that is associated with religion and u only seem to be agaisnt Christianity rather then any other religion.When ever some one tries to start a debate with any of you, you can never seem to get past the stage of petty name calling and flawed logic.And no, God is not limited by logic. but christians are, and you never seem to hold out long enough in a debate to understand that. peace over war
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Posted 3/16/09

vinsane01 wrote:


xeereex wrote:


vinsane01 wrote:

God is made of matter? How did you come up with that conclusion?

Remember that people believe that for God, anything is possible. That includes creating something out of nothing, being in a space that has yet to exist and him not being made of matter. That alone destroyed your whole argument.


I agree with you gal. Good night.


lol im not a girl.

I need to change my avatar. But i like olivia lufkin so much.


lol I don't know olivia lufkin, that's why i thought you're girl.
But, anyway, i agree with you.
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The funny thing about all u anti theist is that u can never give the proof of "clear and present danger" that is associated with religion and u only seem to be agaisnt Christianity rather then any other religion[sic.]


Are you seriously saying that religious wars(yes, you did say religion, not religious wars, but they are rooted from religions) are not danger? Truly, not for most of us right now, but a lot of wars rooted from religious backgrounds; they do pose danger to the people involved. Let's take the Crusades for example. Yeah. Or even the current assaults in Middle East. Or just the development of what the religions(not all) call "immoral."
People do kill for their beliefs, especially when they will be branded retarded if their beliefs are not favored by current knowledge.


And no, God is not limited by logic.


This is exactly why Christians are the ones "attacked." They are the only ones (as far as I had observed. Well, normally, as a lot of people are Christians) who actually flagrantly say this. This is exactly why it is stupid, too. Claim that it is not limited by logic but they keep trying to logically prove it. Besides, they really do not have any proof (yeah, good luck providing one) of any God-related matter. Holiness? Sacredness? Anything can be holy ans sacred depending on personal interpretations. The point is not that the Christians are stupid; it is what they believe in and what they say. Ever heard a pastor defend the existence of God?
Another reason why it is Christianity is because, only Jews and Christians refer to their deity as God, as far as the major religions at least. Emphasize on "major religion" if you have anything to say about that. Muslims call it Allah. Hindus are polytheistic. Confucians do not have a god. Buddhist are not so much of god believers either but they are associated with a lot of religions. Ultimately, only the Christians are the ones who call it God. And they take it even farther as to call it the Trinity, which includes the God, Spirit, and the Son.
Putting the reasoning as to why it is mostly directed at Judeo-Christians, I would agree with you that believing itself is not retarded, but that is not what I meant when I called them retarded/stupid/imbecile. Listen to their reasoning and you will know why.
Take your reasoning for example, you argue he exists but then asserts that it is beyond logic. That is one of the reasons why it is highly stupid; claiming existence without anything to actually think through is retarded. using the reason "He is superior to us so we do not know him" is no different. Well, those two are the same actually but worded differently.
Moving back to the dangers of religion, they do slow down some development. In United States for example, stem cell research was slowed down greatly because of religious interventions. Google that for more information as it will take way too long and a lot of citing to put that in here. There could have been a cure for accidental paralysis now.
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The funny thing about all u anti theist is that u can never give the proof of "clear and present danger" that is associated with religion and u only seem to be agaisnt Christianity rather then any other religion[sic.]


Are you seriously saying that religious wars(yes, you did say religion, not religious wars, but they are rooted from religions) are not danger? Truly, not for most of us right now, but a lot of wars rooted from religious backgrounds; they do pose danger to the people involved. Let's take the Crusades for example. Yeah. Or even the current assaults in Middle East. Or just the development of what the religions(not all) call "immoral."
People do kill for their beliefs, especially when they will be branded retarded if their beliefs are not favored by current knowledge.


And no, God is not limited by logic.


This is exactly why Christians are the ones "attacked." They are the only ones (as far as I had observed. Well, normally, as a lot of people are Christians) who actually flagrantly say this. This is exactly why it is stupid, too. Claim that it is not limited by logic but they keep trying to logically prove it. Besides, they really do not have any proof (yeah, good luck providing one) of any God-related matter. Holiness? Sacredness? Anything can be holy ans sacred depending on personal interpretations. The point is not that the Christians are stupid; it is what they believe in and what they say. Ever heard a pastor defend the existence of God?
Another reason why it is Christianity is because, only Jews and Christians refer to their deity as God, as far as the major religions at least. Emphasize on "major religion" if you have anything to say about that. Muslims call it Allah. Hindus are polytheistic. Confucians do not have a god. Buddhist are not so much of god believers either but they are associated with a lot of religions. Ultimately, only the Christians are the ones who call it God. And they take it even farther as to call it the Trinity, which includes the God, Spirit, and the Son.
Putting the reasoning as to why it is mostly directed at Judeo-Christians, I would agree with you that believing itself is not retarded, but that is not what I meant when I called them retarded/stupid/imbecile. Listen to their reasoning and you will know why.
Take your reasoning for example, you argue he exists but then asserts that it is beyond logic. That is one of the reasons why it is highly stupid; claiming existence without anything to actually think through is retarded. using the reason "He is superior to us so we do not know him" is no different. Well, those two are the same actually but worded differently.
Moving back to the dangers of religion, they do slow down some development. In United States for example, stem cell research was slowed down greatly because of religious interventions. Google that for more information as it will take way too long and a lot of citing to put that in here. There could have been a cure for accidental paralysis now.



o yes, once again no clear and present danger on a world wide scale. Crusades? not present. War in Iraq? has nothing to do with religion. It deals with government and political issues that religion is simply just a fasad for the public. This is coming from what a soldier/officier in the army told me. who owns operation in Iraq and is currently hunting Al Queda. Its not even a real war. its basiclly hunting a group of international people.

and no war is/was rooted in religion. It was rooted in politics and the wanting of minerals and land. Religion was just a farce and a justification. it was not the root.If religion was the root of all wars, WW one and two wouldnt have happened.

and once again about the wars, religion is not a sole driving force in wars. wars will come and they will go- with or without religion.
People will kill for thier beliefs, but those beliefs r not limited to religious ones. I know friends who have killed each other argueing over rap lyrics.

So far your examples have not singled out religion as some sole cause of world ill.These things happen with or withour religion. its human nature.Taking away religion will not stop these things.They do not present a current and present danger on a world wide scale.
and if WW3 happens to come up, religion wont even play the slighest bit.


And about the whole stem cell research thing. even if religion was slowing it down- it is not a clear and present danger on a world wide scale.im srry, it doesnt cut it.

and i have done a little research on stem cell, from what i gathered, only a few religious zealots r actually agaisnt. Most religius people either dont mind, think its a blessing, dont care, or either believe its immoral not to do stem cell research.

and of those few religous guys, i have yet to find any proof of them actually slowing down the research.and i highly doubt they r the only ones against it.and i also doubt they have the power and authoirity to do so.If they arnt scientist, why do they have a say?As far as im concerned, its a few state's laws that may limit the research in certain states in the usa.But other states have no restrictions.

So this is more of a political issue then a religious one.and even if everything u said wasnt overgerneralized and a flat out lie,
you have only proved religion to be an inconvience for you and maybe who ever aggrees with your mis guided "facts".
It still has no clear and present danger on a wide world scale.

all im saying is that your invisible threat of Christian tyranny doesnt exist. there is no proof to support it does, no statistics to show it.and if Christians were as stupid as u claim they r, they wouldnt vhave the brains to pull it off.

every time i debate with this issue, i come accross the exact same argument- wars, stem cell research, and a few whack jobs that give all religion a bad name. Even if religion was the only and sole variable in each one of those issues (which it is not), it would still not count as some global crisis.

Is there ne one out there that can actually argue religion as some major crisis all u anti thiesis claim it is? Or r u like the fundamentalist?do u simply hate religion because it goes against your morals and ethics? thats fine, but dont sit here and argue that it goes agaisnt the worlds morals and ethics.o, and for the whole God thing, religious people only believe in god through faith, no reasonable person tries to prove or disprove god. you never see me trying to prove god exists or doesnt, because i would sound stupid like the starter of this thread. peace over war
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Are you seriously saying that religious wars(yes, you did say religion, not religious wars, but they are rooted from religions) are not danger? Truly, not for most of us right now, but a lot of wars rooted from religious backgrounds; they do pose danger to the people involved. Let's take the Crusades for example. Yeah. Or even the current assaults in Middle East. Or just the development of what the religions(not all) call "immoral."
People do kill for their beliefs, especially when they will be branded retarded if their beliefs are not favored by current knowledge.


Religious beliefs may add to the fire, but are not the sole purpose of those wars and conflicts. There are Muslims here in Canada, and they are peaceful and not violent at all. Too many people use this logic: "these Muslims are doing violent things, therefore Islam is a violent religion." So I could use the same judgment based on my Muslim friends and say "Well these Muslims are so peaceful and have respect for everyone, therefore Islam must be a religion of peace." You can't judge an entire religion like that, the problem is mostly the people and not the religion.



This is exactly why Christians are the ones "attacked." They are the only ones (as far as I had observed. Well, normally, as a lot of people are Christians) who actually flagrantly say this. This is exactly why it is stupid, too. Claim that it is not limited by logic but they keep trying to logically prove it. Besides, they really do not have any proof (yeah, good luck providing one) of any God-related matter. Holiness? Sacredness? Anything can be holy ans sacred depending on personal interpretations. The point is not that the Christians are stupid; it is what they believe in and what they say. Ever heard a pastor defend the existence of God?
Another reason why it is Christianity is because, only Jews and Christians refer to their deity as God, as far as the major religions at least. Emphasize on "major religion" if you have anything to say about that. Muslims call it Allah. Hindus are polytheistic. Confucians do not have a god. Buddhist are not so much of god believers either but they are associated with a lot of religions. Ultimately, only the Christians are the ones who call it God. And they take it even farther as to call it the Trinity, which includes the God, Spirit, and the Son.
Putting the reasoning as to why it is mostly directed at Judeo-Christians, I would agree with you that believing itself is not retarded, but that is not what I meant when I called them retarded/stupid/imbecile. Listen to their reasoning and you will know why.
Take your reasoning for example, you argue he exists but then asserts that it is beyond logic. That is one of the reasons why it is highly stupid; claiming existence without anything to actually think through is retarded. using the reason "He is superior to us so we do not know him" is no different. Well, those two are the same actually but worded differently.
Moving back to the dangers of religion, they do slow down some development. In United States for example, stem cell research was slowed down greatly because of religious interventions. Google that for more information as it will take way too long and a lot of citing to put that in here. There could have been a cure for accidental paralysis now.


Allah is just another word for God. One thing you could say most religions have in common is the belief in a higher power. And yes people, especially many famous philosophers, use logic to come to conclusion that this higher power exists. And again, the beliefs aren't so much the problem as the people are, I got Christian friends who love stem cell research.
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"these Muslims are doing violent things, therefore Islam is a violent religion." So I could use the same judgment based on my Muslim friends and say "Well these Muslims are so peaceful and have respect for everyone, therefore Islam must be a religion of peace." You can't judge an entire religion like that, the problem is mostly the people and not the religion.


No idea where you got the idea that they are Muslims. They might be related to wars but other religions do fight back.


Allah is just another word for God.


It is. But it is called Allah. It is their god, but they call it Allah.





And about the whole stem cell research thing. even if religion was slowing it down- it is not a clear and present danger on a world wide scale.im srry, it doesnt cut it.


I only said danger on that one. True, it is not a danger but a disadvantage, but it is a danger for the paralyzed. By the way, that ignorance is also the reason why Christians are entertaining. And they claim they have morals and ethics. Hypocrites are also fun.

By the way, world wide scale danger is a vague phrase. Nothing has become a world wide danger so far; not even WWII. Nor AIDS. Nor SARS. Basically, depending on what you mean by world wide danger, (as in it has a potential to threat the whole world or had become a threat to the whole world, which none has done so so far) there really is no world wide danger.


War in Iraq? has nothing to do with religion


It does not have anything to do with religion, no idea why you mentioned it. Middle East is not just Iraq.

Speaking of which, why are we arguing about this when it is not really the topic? It seems to me that just because you cannot prove your God's existence that you are swaying the point to something else. By the way, it is only the imbecility that is a world danger, but then again, not everyone is a Christian. People do kill for their beliefs, that in itself is danger, especially when the odds are against them.


every time i debate with this issue, i come accross the exact same argument- wars, stem cell research, and a few whack jobs that give all religion a bad name. Even if religion was the only and sole variable in each one of those issues (which it is not), it would still not count as some global crisis.


You brought it up, even though it is not what the topic is asking.
They are equivalent to your God; speculations. Except that they did happen with proofs, unlike the God who never existed that actually affects humanity's advancements by slowing it down.


Is there ne one out there that can actually argue religion as some major crisis all u anti thiesis claim it is? Or r u like the fundamentalist?do u simply hate religion because it goes against your morals and ethics? thats fine, but dont sit here and argue that it goes agaisnt the worlds morals and ethics

Ethics and morals? A lot of those came from religions and were then embedded to society. It is a common misconception that atheists do not have morals and ethics. They are bounded by culture.


and of those few religous guys, i have yet to find any proof of them actually slowing down the research.and i highly doubt they r the only ones against it.and i also doubt they have the power and authoirity to do so.If they arnt scientist, why do they have a say?As far as im concerned, its a few state's laws that may limit the research in certain states in the usa.But other states have no restrictions.


No one said they are the only ones against it. Even some religious sects are for stem-cell research. But, most of the people against it are of Christian origin. By the way, they did slow it down. The research did not have the required stem cells coming from embryos that would have been dead if left alone but some religions were against that. Try researching for yourself; it is out of topic so maybe it is not something we should discuss here. But here's the summary of it: stem cell research was greatly slowed down because of mostly religious beliefs that contradicts their procedures.


d even if everything u said wasnt overgerneralized and a flat out lie,
you have only proved religion to be an inconvience for you and maybe who ever aggrees with your mis guided "facts".


Misguided facts? Exactly what religions are.Through deception, they made a "reality" that deceives people. They have good intentions, but they acquire it through quackery.


all im saying is that your invisible threat of Christian tyranny doesnt exist. there is no proof to support it does, no statistics to show it.and if Christians were as stupid as u claim they r, they wouldnt vhave the brains to pull it off.

It takes one charismatic person to make everyone stupid. They are stupid because they blindly believe without really knowing anything. No questions asked.

We digressed too much. This is really not related to proving a God, this is more of the dysfunctions and functions of a religion.

Moving back to topic, give a proof of God's existence, as you seem to be wanting proofs badly that it makes me want to see your so-called proofs. By proofs I mean it is a valid proof, instead of something that really has no back ups. Like saying that God exists because the Bible said so. You can say that though; it is expected. Human cure miracles?; Ever heard of bedside manners and placebo effect?; Creation of the Universe?; Then, who created God?; Creation of life?; Who gave God life?

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