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Posted 3/18/09 , edited 3/18/09
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READ NO FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THE FULL SERIES OF CLANNAD AND CLANNAD AFTER-STORY.




Clannad After-Story finale: Episode 22.
Reasoning and meaning behind the episode.
A deeper look: by Mark Cupp


I know a lot of people will look at it and go 'well it is as simple as it looked, there was a miracle and everything was 'daijoubu'. Being one of sound mind and unwilling to accept the fact that the writers would cop out on such an ending decided to look at it in another prospective.

Upon first examination it is seen that the visions that are happening after the initial shock of Ushio dying are not really all that real, or seem to be disconnected in a sense. Some people again point to the whole 'miracle' thing, but usually wouldn't that be tied up better and not just be a cut scene where the visual aspect of it would be more clear and precise than it was. The way Nagisa was aware of him choosing to call out to her and being worried he wouldn't raises questions as well. My guess to this is the fact that Tomoya chose instead of dealing with this reality that he would accept things and reach out to the family he wanted even though they were gone.

I theorize that he took Ushio to the forest outside the hospital and left her there in the woods nearby, right near where he and Nagisa's father stood and discussed Nagisa's miracle. He probably went there pleading and crying knowing that as her body had gone cold already that she was beyond saving. After losing hope in such a way and having such a dream to be with his family he probably then returned home to his empty home and imagined what his life would be like if nagisa had not died since he could not accept losing her in his mind by not calling out to her. He then proceeded to an hero with this alternate universe closed tightly in his mind hoping to re-unite himself with the family he had lost in the way his dreams had seen it to be.

Of course in his mind ushio was still alive and thus is represented by the end of the series upon which fuko 'smells something' and goes to look for her, calling out to her with no response due to her being really dead, in all the scenes where it shows Ushio she is apparently 'sleeping' and even shifts to her otherworldly self for a moment leading me to believe it was yet another delusion we were looking at, possibly one of Fuko not willing to accept that which was in front of her, a dead child of whom she had been friends of before.

I know the ideas aren't tied together well, and the representation is not quite all there, but it puts together a more understandable ending to the show. I am sure that I missed out on some of the imagery that ties it all together, but this is the rough Idea of what I think the writers had in mind. Though portraying it exactly like that to the public would be met with serious distaste and backlash, so we only saw the delusion side of things.

One of the key things that triggered this thought process back was the image of Tomoya and his father walking through the same field together that they had from long ago, either a flashback of his life... or possibly even a connector to another theory of mine about Tomoya's father.

The grandmother arc with Ushio seemed a bit off, Tomoya leaves Ushio alone for hours on end talking to a grandmother that would be very old at this point as his father was toward the age of retirement... when the grandmother said that 'they all' were waiting for him in my opinion with Ushio not being there and how long the story was, Tomoya was talking to a ghost. It is especially hard to imagine he did not know of a grandmother at all unless she died when he was young or before his birth... I assume she meant it was alright for Tomoya's father to move on and for the father to move up to his place of birth to die and be reunited with his family. Again pointing to the fact that if his father did go there and die he would walk through the field with his dead father once more united with him as well, in the best time of their relationship.

Of course, Tomoya's father looked almost too surprised when Tomoya brought up the fact he had talked to his grandmother, and the fact that he should move up there and be with them. That the father had done enough. The father hesitates asking himself if h has done all he needs to, wondering if he really can go on to die in peace. He finally gives in and realizes there is nothing more worth living for in that town, his son had finally found a way out of the same rut he had been in and he could move on and let go of his regrets.



As you can see, I put a lot of thought into reading deeper into these scenes, and I do believe this is the true meaning behind his madness. If you noticed Tomoya's world he escapes to seemed to show up less and less as he was becoming happier with the real world, then suddenly came roaring back when the world started turning dark once again for him, yet another sign of his unstable and futile attempts to escape the terrible life he had forming around him.

The amount of pain in this anime is unbearable, but I still loved it. If I could go back and chose whether to start it again or not, I would. I truly enjoy sorrow when used in good context and when it has such deep meaning behind it.

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Posted 3/19/09
Ugh... too long I stopped reading after the first paragraph when I realized I had to scroll twice after it filled the page.
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Posted 3/19/09 , edited 3/19/09
i just skimmed it over and...i dunno the point ur trying to make lol

for me...i didnt like the 'reset' ending
would have rather have them ended it at episode 21 where they all die
episodes were a ton better when nagisa died
was really interesting seeing how tomoya would cope with her death, and how he handles ushio
but to reset as if the past 5 episodes didnt happen just make me :|


but i love this series :)
awesome ost too
i havent cried to any except da capo
but i cried for 3 eps during clannad...18,19,20
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Posted 3/19/09 , edited 10/7/16
Ending was disappointing. Nagisa should have died, as well as Ushio for more effect.
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I thought it would have been a tragic ending myself, but I suppose the "reset" ending wasn't so bad, seems Tomoya was just dreaming in the end or rather imagining what his life with Ushio would be like if Nagisa had passed away after giving birth.
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Posted 3/19/09
It upsets me that everyone thinks it was a "reset" just because someone over the net said so.

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riuu wrote:

It upsets me that everyone thinks it was a "reset" just because someone over the net said so.



what exactly is it then?
eps 16-21 shouldnt exist since ep22 is when nagisa is alive again
Posted 3/19/09
TV anime: Clannad After Story
Director Tatsuya Ishihara
Studio Flag of Japan Kyoto Animation
Network Flag of Japan TBS, MBS, CBC, BS-i
Original run October 3, 2008 (TBS) – ongoing
Episodes 23
thats what wiki says, ep 23 is the "sad" ending?
not sure though
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Posted 3/19/09
actually, wiki says that the miracle was part of the game( for those who don't know, clannad started out as a visual novel)
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Posted 3/19/09
well its not completely over yet. there should be 2 extra episodes.
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Posted 3/19/09 , edited 3/19/09
I'm thinking most people didn't even read what I wrote by these replies...

my point is that there really was no reset, READ. DO IT!!!!!!
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It was okay and the pain was unbearable is right O.O but other then that I liked it because I become attached to these characters =)
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so basically the anime is a game, and some1 pressed the reset button and continued from the save spot?
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Posted 3/21/09
I thought some of the same things as the OP and I think like him that the ending wasn't a reset. Ushio died and Tomoya went into extreme denial. He left Ushio in her favourite place and either went away to live in a worse way than when nagisa died or committed suicide or simply went mad.
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Posted 3/22/09
I think that atatakakunai's explanation is a great one that is very plausible. Yes most people think that it is a reset but that is mainly because of word of mouth on the internet. That and it makes more sense that this is the ending that Key was aiming for seems the drama they built up would be a waste otherwise. I still have yet to see the 2 extras (waiting on Eclipse to sub them) so i dont know what they will do to this theory but i would like to believe this is correct it would make the anime all the better IMO. Either way this is one of my fav anime of all time. By the way atatakakunai I thought you would like to know that yes I read your views of the ending seems it looks like only one other person did.
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