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Unit 731 - Worse than the Holocaust?
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Every nation is capable of disgusting atrocities. To single out Japan or Germany as the worst is down right wrong. One issue I had with the video was it's use of drama and the tone the narrator set. I felt like they were blaming science for all of humanities despicable actions when all it comes down to is human nature. Religion and Science are not origins of evil Human Nature is, and in the hands of those types of people religion and science are just tools.

The US is by no means an exception to systematic extermination/experimantalization though we like to think we are. The decimation of the Native American tribes and the experimentation on black men is proof of that. Claiming one atrocity is worse than the other detracts from the point that all are bad in the first place and tries to relocate blame.


I think the biggest mistake we make in the way we demonize the Nazis and the Holocaust is the resulting conviction that "It can't happen here"

"The only good indian is a dead indian" May not have actually been said by Sheridan or his protege, Custer but that phrase did reflect a common attitude among both the soldiery and citizens of the time.

"None is too many" is an infamous quote from my own country during the interwar years. It was the response to questions asked of the then immigration minister who believed his job was to keep too many Jews from entering the country.

In Raw numbers, Stalin was an order of magnitude worse than than Hitler, perhaps even TWO powers of ten worse. There is so little information, that esitmates of the number of soviet citizens killed by his internal security aparatus vary that much.

Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were probably worse in terms of percentage of population. Estimates there suggest that before he was done he took out a third of his own people.

If you checked Dom's link into the 'lucifer effect' then you'd see clearly that YES it CAN happen here." We should take care that it doesn't happen again on our watch.
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As an American I feel ashamed of the action General MacArthur I have even gone to MacArthur site, I made attempt to the freedom of information Act. but nothing I could come up with on my own But there was a segment on the germ war fare. Allot of random notes but just being on MacArthur site say that he did play a roll..You would have thought we would have learned weapon of this kind can and do back fire. Allot victim's of this saluter will never even be know to the world. The British and French should also hang their head low on this one as well.--------- I do understand the that time and the fear people had but for so-many not to say a word. to cover this up to gain access to the knowledge that too high of price to pay. I do understand the film was a recreation of how it happened and was made to shock and aw people but it probably was not far from the truth. Any solder now days would know better to go along with this BS. especially to protect the men and women under their command. :
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Ah, now I clearly understand your usage of "what's to say that we should have known any better" due to the possible conflicting cultural upbringing of an individual. However, when treading the murky waters of moral ethics, I've been gifted by an old professor with the following statement: a universal truth that can define whether or not the conduct of a society is right or wrong is to ask the individual if the practiced tradition is taking away value from his or her life. Irregardless of cultural protocol, the statement transcends to the individual and has the potential to prove that despite a long standing tradition of a culture, which has nurtured a certain behavior, that it may not be accepted by all members who are compelled by the communal obligation to practice it. Primary socialization or not, if a tradition puts our well being at risk, we are able to make the distinction between what is and isn't acceptable. If we choose to act upon our inclinations of "justice," that would be an entirely different story.

To clear the terminological discrepancy between "psychopath" and "sociopath", any clear distinction that separates the two terms are debatable. While it clearly makes it easier to create a definite category for those who suffer from ASPD and are either organized or unorganized in their method of conduct, that is still not a solid foundation from which your case can stand on if the terminologies used are invalid.

While it's true that "normal people" can become emotionally detached from their task at hand, that doesn't necessarily say that they've become emotionally severed as in the case of someone who is suffering from ASPD. To not understand pain and to not feel remorse is completely different from having the basic understanding of human suffering and choosing to put up a smoke screen of denial.

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Again with your ridiculous assumptions. I'm not going to get into the agnostic argument here because that's not what this thread is about, if you want to discuss the matter further I invite you to join me in that thread.

I altered your response to bubber because that was the only way it could make any sense at all, but since you're complaining about me changing your statement, why don't you reword it so we can actually understand which of bubber's 4 initial statements you are arguing against?

I honestly have no problems with your aggressive approach to anything, rather it's your presentation that irks me. If you're going to be aggressive, make sure your aggression is pointed in the right direction and not at random passersby who did not have a problem with you in the first place.

Mod: Before you rashly delete this post as well, I invite you to consider something. In this thread alone, various people have already expressed a confusion towards domfortress's prose and word choice. I've pinpointed the reason, it's because he's not responding to the person but rather just, seemingly randomly, spewing forth facts that have nothing to do with the current conversation and only barely relate to the greater topic of discussion. I then present these reasons to him in a manner that he seems quite taken with(aggressively) in order to facilitate a better discussion and comprehension environment for us all. If you think these intentions are detrimental to the forums, then I have nothing more to say.
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I know both Unit 731 and the Holocaust were bad, but it's nothing compared to the #of people died in communist regime. Both Stalin and Mao if you combined the # of deaths from when both took power, the # add up to more then the # of people died in both Holocaust and in the hand of Unit 731. Actually to be honest I find more Chinese died in Cultural Revolution then the Nanjing Massacre.

Nanjing masscre: 40,000-200,000 people died
Cultural Revolution: 750,000-1.5 million people died

What Unit 731 was horrible, but what the Chinese regime is doing is almost as bad. Are people aware of the organ harvesting from Falun Gong.
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mdo7 wrote:

I know both Unit 731 and the Holocaust were bad, but it's nothing compared to the #of people died in communist regime. Both Stalin and Mao if you combined the # of deaths from when both took power, the # add up to more then the # of people died in both Holocaust and in the hand of Unit 731. Actually to be honest I find more Chinese died in Cultural Revolution then the Nanjing Massacre.

Nanjing masscre: 40,000-200,000 people died
Cultural Revolution: 750,000-1.5 million people died

What Unit 731 was horrible, but what the Chinese regime is doing is almost as bad. Are people aware of the organ harvesting from Falun Gong.


But but... Communism is a good IDEA! (/Sarcasm)
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mdo7 wrote:

I know both Unit 731 and the Holocaust were bad, but it's nothing compared to the #of people died in communist regime. Both Stalin and Mao if you combined the # of deaths from when both took power, the # add up to more then the # of people died in both Holocaust and in the hand of Unit 731. Actually to be honest I find more Chinese died in Cultural Revolution then the Nanjing Massacre.

Nanjing masscre: 40,000-200,000 people died
Cultural Revolution: 750,000-1.5 million people died

What Unit 731 was horrible, but what the Chinese regime is doing is almost as bad. Are people aware of the organ harvesting from Falun Gong.


But but... Communism is a good IDEA! (/Sarcasm)


Yeah as long it doesn't cause massacre, persecution, or create a dictatorship on the same level as Hitler, Assad, or Gaddaffi. But then again Tunisia's dictator, Ben Ali was part of this political party. Guess this mean democracy and freedom is evil because Ben Ali ruled a party as dictator.

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I honestly have never heard of Unit 731. Now I'm even more ashamed of being human. Even in the face of such horrors, people would still follow the commands of such insane authority figures. We should fear ourselves more than Satan.
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Many people say the acts during the Rape of Nanking were much worst than the Holocaust. They are both terrible, but the the stories I've heard in comparison, Nanking was way too gruesome and disgusting.
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