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Posted 3/20/09
what do you think?

in my opinion, i think Hachi loves Takumi.. not sure whether Takumi loves her or not though...
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yes i think they love eachother but love alone won't make a relationship last, right now to me it seems lik Takumi has other priorties that he feels are way more important than his marriage for ex. work, and also because of his cheating ways it may seem lik he doesn't love her, but he really does. Obviously right now he doesn't see how much he does, and we see that in future timeskips, but he already did confess his love to Hachi the night he went to sleep with Reira, Stupid yes i kno that's why a lot of us hate and love Takumi.
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Posted 3/20/09 , edited 3/20/09
Hachi loves Takumi, I remember she said that she didn't choose Takumi only because of the baby and that she always loves the worst person and she should love Nobu, things like that. And I guess it was true, after all, she could't live with him if she didn't love him and she was doin everythin to make their relationship better...
And Takumi... yeah, she cheats on her but he wanted to be with her when he knew she's pregnant (although his behaviour was awful then), there was a moment when he said that he can't stop thinkin about her, uhmm... If it comes to him it's just a kind of a sick and hard to understand, but still love. He's that type of person who can't be with only one women ><

That's what I think but I hope I'm wrong. I hate Takumi and want Hachi to be with Nobu.

Damnit, I messed it all up XD.
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Oh my GOSH! i feel like we have been over this topic so many times in this forum. However, it is a fun topic discuss.

Yeah, I think they love each other but just because they love each other doesn't mean that they'll have a strong marriage. There are other factors that make a relationship work besides love. In this case, I would take in their personalities and the contexts of their situations. For example, Hachi is very sweet, loving, nurturing, romantic, and idealistic. Takumi is cold, objective, manipulative, and frank. Hachi is always doubting Takumi because he keeps taking her for granted. However, I do think that if they lived in a perfect world, their relaitonship can work out but they don't. Takumi is more worried about Trapnest and Hachi feels much more closer to her friends from Blast. It's hard to make two personalities connect when there's alot more differences and neither of them seem to want to compromise anything.

I'm still a TakumixHachi supporter and I want them to be together but Nobu is becoming the hero of my heart at the moment.
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I’m not surprise why people up to this moment still confused of takumi’s feeling for hachi. The thing is although they love each other their love is not as deep as ren and nana’s love for each other at least that’s how I think. If ren and nana had this undying love Takumi and hachi have this conditional love but I don’t think its wrong it’s not the ideal kind of love we’re hoping but this is what other people think in reality. Takumi set this condition that he chooses the person who can please him the most and hachi as we knew the girl who easily fell in love or rather easy for her to change love; they only showed us how imperfect they were. One thing is for certain they love each other but to what extent? Although their love is not worth dying for but I don’t think their love is shallow because they’ve been together for long time there were moments of joy and sorrows, uncertainties for their future but what keeps them staying together is what I love most.

Their relationship didn’t focus on how much they love each other but what they showed us is how their relationship works. How Takumi treat hachi as a lover/ wife knowing that he was known as being a womanizer, insensitive, and cold person as a reader I was amazed of how he treat her and that’s why keep supporting them A cold person won’t show any warmness to the woman if he didn’t love. He won’t show affection, sincerity and will not keep a big responsibility and won’t even spoil her. In spite his wrong doing he always keeps hachi beside him. I don’t think it’s only because he longed for a family but because deep inside he was seriously awaken to love. Even if he feel that way I didn’t expect him to change straight away but he did change gradually not maybe in her relation with hachi but it’s more of being him as a person as a father. He kept his word to hachi to be a good father and we can see that.

The only thing I don’t get is him being a manipulative or controlling i probably missed that part of him. Can someone explain it to me so I will understand? As far as I know hachi will do whatever she wants if she follows takumi it is because of her own good not because takumi manipulate her there is a difference there. I always admire hachi for blackmailing her husband to get what she wants and that shows only that she is not the puppet who always follows her husband’s order.
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Posted 3/29/09 , edited 3/29/09
In my opinion they love each other ..I still believe that Takumi still loves her (even in ch. 82) he is more comfortable with Hachi not with other women, even with Reira but she is just a person who is precious to him and his Trapnest..@grprsa ..I sorta like that. I still like him even if it's less than before, now I both love and hate him because he is deficient of being a good husband who has a pregnant wife, he should take care of his wife more than concern everything with his job, it's like my job come first.

@ gentlewater : there is a chapter of him, it's understandable how manipulative and controlling he is. it's 70P chapter http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v18/c000/3.html. If you've already read I don't know how to explain I'm not good in explanation in English, so wait for other friends comment. I thought because his past life and family make him to be like that.
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gentlewater wrote:

I’m not surprise why people up to this moment still confused of takumi’s feeling for hachi. The thing is although they love each other their love is not as deep as ren and nana’s love for each other at least that’s how I think. If ren and nana had this undying love Takumi and hachi have this conditional love but I don’t think its wrong it’s not the ideal kind of love we’re hoping but this is what other people think in reality

i wouldnt say nana and ren had that much of a powerfull love in their relationship,some maybe, i think it was mostly attachment, neither one had the strength to say its over even though they knew they should.

i think hachi's kinda giving up on takumi right now, and he cant even think about hachi

im gonna say that they DO love each other, i doubt hachi would wait for anyone else like that and takumi wouldnt feel guilty about cheating if he was marrried to anyone else. they just arent as attached to one another as ren anad nana
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you merely describe their relationship as mostly attachment seriously, i'm not a native english speaker nor i'm fond of ren and nana and to be honest i don't care about those two what i know for sure is their love for each other. Their love is as clear as water unlike hachi and takumi which is complex ren and nana is so simple to tell we all knew that i don't know why you were in denial about that. I think you probably mistaken the relationship of Ren and reira to ren and nana's relationship. Atlthough, let say their relationship were completely over neither one of them love someone else and that's what makes it so amazing.

as for hachi surprisingly, she always feel like giving up takumi ever since they started their not -so-stable relationship well in fact, there were times she almost gave up but she always keep coming back to him. I keep this in mind after so many years had passed and she said something about there are far more reasons for not getting a divorce.
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I wouldn't call Ren's and nana's love deep, I would honestly call it an obsession (an unhealthy obsession to top that off). Do I think it's beautiful relationship? No. Nor do I think Takumi's and Hachi's relationship is "beautiful". But I could tell you that both of the couples has a unique relationship, it may not be something that I personally would like to have with my boyfriend, however it's what makes the manga sell.
Even though Hachi and Takumi's relationship was on the brink of termination, it's still a fact that they do love each other (in w/e twisted form they have). I'm not that old fashioned enough to say that because those two have children that they must stay together. Sure it's one of the reasons, but the main reason I support those two, is bceause they stated that they love each other (how clear can they make it?) and they also show their love through their actions as well, so it's not all just talk.

As for people saying that Takumi doesn't love Hachi because he cheats on her, even though he does cheat he mentioned Hachi still is the "number one" in his heart and is the only girl he truly loves. For Takumi, that's a big step. Compared to how he treated his other girlfriends and even Reira, in his mind he is treating Hachi the best way he can while accomdating his immoral habit of cheating. (Hopefully that is gone by the present time).


(btw I have no idea why we're talking about Nana and Ren's relationship in a thread specfically for Takumi and Hachi XD )
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Posted 4/19/09
I think Takumi loves Nana more than she loves him.
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jay_jay26 wrote:

I think Takumi loves Nana more than she loves him.


Really? Wow...what makes you say that? Throughout most of the chapters it seems like Hachi has loved Takumi more than Takumi has loved Hachi.

I adore Takumi but he takes Hachi for granted so many times. And he keeps choosing Reira/Trapnest over Hachi. Whereas Hachi, even ditched Nobu to be with takumi and in the past Hachi kept worrying about takumi's love for her.

I don't know...I feel like takumi hasn't made any real actions that proves his love to Hachi (yes, he's gonna raise the kid but i think he just said that because he felt possessive over her and didn't like the idea of nobu interested in hachi). And everytime he says he loves hachi he just does something stupid in the next chapter that overrules it...like not getting married to hachi (but then he married her just because he wanted to save trapnest not because he loved her) and having sex with reira...

I do believe he loves hachi but i think hachi always loved him more. or maybe she put in more time and effort to prove her love for him but in the end he just takes it for granted.

it's obvious he regrets his behavior b/c he's sad in the flashforwards.

I think hachi is going to realize that she doesn't need takumi. that in the end, their love is not strong enough because they both have different goals. maybe she'll get sick of trying to prove her love for takumi.

i still want them to be together though.
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@ lalamisilly
i wish it was an obsession coz in that way they might save their relationship however, the pride of nana and ren’s feeling of guilt take over control and I think that was one of the reasons why their relationship was ruined. What I would like to say is that this couple only love one person in their lifetime and it’s not just an obsession is just how they love. Another example is miu, yasu is her first love and her first man and we see in the future they’re still together. I wonder if i include myself to top that lol… just kidding…

@jay_jay
I like that thought but what makes you think that?

@grprsa
I would say that throughout the chapters hachi have more scenes than takumi but that doesn’t mean that she has loved takumi more than takumi has loved her. Lol

Here is my reason why I don’t think hachi loved him more.
She is weak and that was takumi saw on her. The beginning of their relationship was absolutely futile if she trying to love takumi she will hold on to him and to that feeling but instead she go out with nobu without even a proper breakup with takumi. Takumi brought that subject when he found out she was pregnant.

Another thing, when they had problem hachi was almost regretful of her choice she went back to her old apartment. Now, their problem was not that huge but at that point she loss patient if she want to prove her love for him she shouldn’t have left so when she came back and realize that it was too early to give up takumi said to her “you’ve gone so far little devil.” What she did probably affected takumi that he made the ever first confession in the bath now that was soo….

There was a time was it a valentines day when takumi saw the heart-shape cake on the table with a note on it, it was suppose to be romantic but hachi wasn’t there she was at nana was it the time when he complained to ren to bring his wife back because it was troublesome for him. I think he missed hachi and it was good that he was concerned. I can give more examples but what I like other to see is that hachi has also some flaws but it is better to point them out than being ignored.

I was pondering what real actions you were looking for? It’s not enough that he will raise the kid even if he is not his own? It’s not enough that he showed affection to hachi, spoil her with very little things but can make a woman happy. It’s not enough that he gave assurance to hachi that even he thinks of other women she is the only woman he loves? The best so far about takumi is when he said that he wants to be a good father upon hearing it hachi was so emotional. As we can see from the future events the kids love their father and Takumi is a good father surprisingly. About reira, she will only be one of his women but not equivalent to his wife so to say there was only one woman he love and that hachi. Why? Because of this statement “the only person that people love is themselves that’s why you choose to love the person who can please you the most” and that’s hachi. This will happen to takumi when hachi decide to leave… “Without hachi life is like a battlefield.”

Takumi love hachi more than he ever show that’s what I believe. That was also ren said in the earlier chapter and I think they’re just the same. You may interpret takumi’s action as possessiveness but people tend to change when they’re in love other maybe aggressive, others might be hopeless, obsess, might be helpless but for some it will be different.

Before I end, the only thing that might takumi regret is not because of women not even because of reira but because he prioritize the band over hachi I think that’s the only thing he will regret.
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@ gentlewater

You make some good points.

I'm just fustrated over the sleeping with reira fiasco. It really broke my heart when he did that. and i get so pissed when he takes her for granted. i know, it's part of his personality but it still bothers me.

i want him to redeem himself in the next chapter or something. actually, i want them to stay together by the end of the series. sorry for all those nobuxhachi fans. i love nobu but takumi is such a tragic guy it would be nice for him to be with hachi.

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Nana only choose him because he's the father of her baby. At that time, she really wasn't in love with him. Besides, if she really loved him, why she keeps thinking about Nobu?!

Plus, she only married him because she was so desperate to get married no matter whom. That doesn't mean she loves Takumi; she think she loves him because he's rich, and gave her a nice life.

The story is very clear on that; Nana truly loves Nobu, but she only married Takumi for the sake of her baby. I mean, when you get preggers, that baby becomes #1, and providing him/her with a family is more important than being truly in love.

Takumi really loves her. He's always taking care of Nana, but he has his own way of showing his love to Nana. He did it with other woman (including Layla) because he's a sleazy womanizer, not because he doesn't love Nana. Cheating on somebody doesn't mean you don't love that person. And, if he didn't loved her that much, why he's always so caring with her? At times he can be a little insensitive, but judging by his background and his family, he is the way he is because he had a tough life, and that made him an insensitive person.


Reasons why he loves her more than she loves him?

-Takumi was the first to get closer to Nana.
-When the tour was over, he didn't forget to see Nana.
-Nana thought she was in love with him, but quickly realizes she just like to do him.
-When Nana starts going out with Nobu, he quickly realizes he loves her.If that wasn't the case, why he got all crazy when he found out about Nana's pregnancy? Why he was so eager to take care of her and her baby? Why he got all jealous of Nobu, and yelled at him that Nana was "his girlfriend", and not some other chick? Because he knew he had feelings for her.
-Even if he's the way he is with Nana, he's also very sweet with her.
-The first one who consider getting married was him; Nana actually thought several times ditching him and raisin the kid by herself.
-If for Takumi, his work is #1, then, for Nana, Nana Osaki is #1 too. So, they're even; they have something or someone who comes first.
-Even if Nana says "Is ok, I have Takumi", she always choose Nana Osaki over Takumi most of the time.
-If Nana is so in love with Takumi, why she's always thinking about how things would have been if she had been with Nobu?



Also, Takumi is a aggressive person, so his way of showing his love is not the correct one in our eyes. As an aggressive person myself, I think Takumi is way too nice with Nana. I'd expect him to be more ruthless and tyrannical.
In real life, I went to the psychiatrist to improve my violent behavior, and I've become a more calm person.
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they love each other in their own twisted way....
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