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What is the best fighting technique over all? why?
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Posted 3/23/09 , edited 3/23/09
Bitch slap of course. The bitch slap with some white powder or baby oil is golden. Plus its too fun.
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a gun. its the quickest and easiest way to subdue anyone, and I mean anyone.
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i never said 500 styles, that's excessive. but lets say that two skilled fighters - one trained in two, the other trained in just one were in a fight. who has the advantage if they're both equally skilled? i'm not talking about luck nor science. i'm talking about probability.

1. Fighter A has practiced many times fighting on the ground and standing up.
2. Fighter B has practiced many times fighting standing up.
3. They are both equally good fighters.
4. A gets B on the ground, B doesn't know how to counter a hold.



If A gets B to the ground. Look at kimbo spice, he cant ground fight at all, but try taking a guy his size down to the ground without getting knocked out. the probabilty someone goes to the ground changes from person to person. try taking a 400 pound man to the ground. if he falls on you, niether of u are getting back up, i dont care what type of jujitsu u know.and try mounting on a 5 foot stomach, not much u can do. peace over war
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another thoery, but a nice counter arguement would be how would u define "significant damage"? and all styles maintain some form balance.Even wushu styles that practice fighting off balance so that when they fight they r always on balance. like drunken boxing.so some styles may appear to be off balance, but thats just a feint. no one can fight off balance.
and what are these styles? and how do they punch and kick? (styles trained combativly only of course).

also, how do u define an "effective technique"? these interpretations define how you view martial arts that diff from yours. peace over war


Significant damage is kind of self explanatory. I'm not quite sure how you would like me to quantify damage. Plenty of chinese martial arts styles are full of moves that inflict no real damage on an opponent.

Styles like TKD, kung fu, capoeria, etc. are awful in terms of balance when it comes to fighting an actual opponent. They're great when you're just throwing strikes in the air, but actually step into their kicks (front or side) and they fall backwards, catch a kick and it's an easy takedown.

As for that last part I think there are plenty of martial arts that differ from my own that are effective, kyokoshin, shootboxing, sambo, kickboxing, BJJ, judo, boxing (in terms of punching technique), some jujutsu, some san shou, vale tudo, etc. I don't view "different" as ineffective, I view ineffective as ineffective.


chinese styles with no real damage? eagle claws bruise flesh. mantis claw rips out eyes, wrist shots knock jaws out of line, front snap kicks crushes nuts. tiger claws rip faces off. Dragon claws stab people with fingers and rip out hearts (a kung fu student master told me he saw people do this in Asia). not real damage? get your eyes and hearts ripped out and nuts squashed then say no real damage.

kung fu, and capoeria are trained in the art of balance, it may not look like good balance, but caperia is a fighting style disguised as a dance, so it must be balanced.
As for TKD (im a black belt), step into my defensive side kick and u go backward. or if u r charging me, ill just hop back from the energy traveling through my leg to remain on balance.
if i aim that defensive side kick at your knee- this happens to your leg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFD9fwwrmro&NR=1
it only takes 15 pounds of pressure to rip off your knee. now who is off balance?

in combative and sport TKD, there are no unbalanced techniques. i dont know where your getting that from. i have been doing this for a long time, balance is not an issue in a style derived for karate.o yea, and just try catching my kicks without breaking your fingers, getting knocked out, or losing all of your ribs.the only thing u will catch a kick with is your face, and tell me how that works for you.and if u think u could catch a masters or professional's kick, then u wont even see it coming to begin with. and even if u could catch a kick, ill just aim it below your waists. try catching those without getting a upper cut to the jaw.The only thing that is ineffective is the belief that these arts when trained for combat are 100% worthless. Do u realise that all martial arts have some moves in common? there r only so many ways u can do a front kick, or a side kick.
do u really think TKD,copera, wushu, has nothing in common with "kyokoshin, shootboxing, sambo, kickboxing, BJJ, judo, boxing (in terms of punching technique), some jujutsu, some san shou, vale tudo, etc".? kickboxing uses asian style kicking... enough said. peace over war
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chinese styles with no real damage? eagle claws bruise flesh. mantis claw rips out eyes, wrist shots knock jaws out of line, front snap kicks crushes nuts. tiger claws rip faces off. Dragon claws stab people with fingers and rip out hearts (a kung fu student master told me he saw people do this in Asia). not real damage? get your eyes and hearts ripped out and nuts squashed then say no real damage.


No they don't, claw strikes are almost entirely useless in actual combat against a resisting opponent, wrist strikes and snap kicks are not particularly damaging at all. And as I've stated before, while getting hit in the groin is extremely painful, it is not, in and of itself incapacitating.



in combative and sport TKD, there are no unbalanced techniques. i dont know where your getting that from. i have been doing this for a long time, balance is not an issue in a style derived for karate.o yea, and just try catching my kicks without breaking your fingers, getting knocked out, or losing all of your ribs.the only thing u will catch a kick with is your face, and tell me how that works for you.and if u think u could catch a masters or professional's kick, then u wont even see it coming to begin with. and even if u could catch a kick, ill just aim it below your waists. try catching those without getting a upper cut to the jaw.


I'm "getting that" from experience fighting karateka and TKDers. As for catching kicks, I do train and spar with pros (UFC, WFL, etc.) and we do catch kicks, so I'm not sure why you would think yours would be so untouchable.

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None. Fighting solves nothing =\
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actually I have done TKD for a while and hold my 3rd degree black in the Moo Duk Kwon System. I can tell you this, I do combatives in the army aswell. level 4 at that. I use my kicks in a fight. I dont lose my balance when I side kick, front kick, round house, etc. I lose it if I try to do a 720 back spin and I am countered sure, but not on standard kicks. And catching a kick? haha you have never actually sparred in a TKD advanced match before huh? Watch the olympics and see how many attempts at a catch there are. I can round house through 3 base ball bats with no focus. so go right on ahead and put your hand there. Lets see how that works out.
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I think a really simple, yet effective technique is taking both hands, and bringing them really fast to either side of your opponent's head, covering their ears. And do it really quickly and hard, like WHAP! lol. The reason that works so well is that it's your ears that give you a sense of balance when walking or doing anything else. So if you upset someone's internal balance like that, it'll really screw them up for a second or two, certainly creating enough time to use another, more painful attack. XD

The ear thing is also why people get carsick.
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JJT2 wrote:

chinese styles with no real damage? eagle claws bruise flesh. mantis claw rips out eyes, wrist shots knock jaws out of line, front snap kicks crushes nuts. tiger claws rip faces off. Dragon claws stab people with fingers and rip out hearts (a kung fu student master told me he saw people do this in Asia). not real damage? get your eyes and hearts ripped out and nuts squashed then say no real damage.


No they don't, claw strikes are almost entirely useless in actual combat against a resisting opponent, wrist strikes and snap kicks are not particularly damaging at all. And as I've stated before, while getting hit in the groin is extremely painful, it is not, in and of itself incapacitating.



in combative and sport TKD, there are no unbalanced techniques. i dont know where your getting that from. i have been doing this for a long time, balance is not an issue in a style derived for karate.o yea, and just try catching my kicks without breaking your fingers, getting knocked out, or losing all of your ribs.the only thing u will catch a kick with is your face, and tell me how that works for you.and if u think u could catch a masters or professional's kick, then u wont even see it coming to begin with. and even if u could catch a kick, ill just aim it below your waists. try catching those without getting a upper cut to the jaw.


I'm "getting that" from experience fighting karateka and TKDers. As for catching kicks, I do train and spar with pros (UFC, WFL, etc.) and we do catch kicks, so I'm not sure why you would think yours would be so untouchable.



No they don't, claw strikes are almost entirely useless in actual combat against a resisting opponent, wrist strikes and snap kicks are not particularly damaging at all. And as I've stated before, while getting hit in the groin is extremely painful, it is not, in and of itself incapacitating
what about verticle punches and eye jabs? wrists strikes to the jaw r not dmaging. but they can shake the brain and knock u out. boxing focues all of its attacks on the jaw, it doesnt damage the jaw either.

I'm "getting that" from experience fighting karateka and TKDers. As for catching kicks, I do train and spar with pros (UFC, WFL, etc.) and we do catch kicks, so I'm not sure why you would think yours would be so untouchable.

if they r fighting off balanced, they arent experienced. u can fight off balance, its immposible. u can appear off blanace, but your center of gravity and techniques must always be controlled for them to work. if they have no balance, they have no technique, if they have no technique, they have no power, if they have no power, they cant do damage, if they cant do damage, they cant fight. they sound like there experienced at getting thier asses beat.

can u catch a kick with no arms? can u catch a kick aimed below your waist? i only kick high when the oppertunity presents itself.if it doesnt present its self, i wont kick high.So if kicks r useless against you, i simply wont kick u.
but are kicks useful against the average fighter? sure are. the average martial artist? sure is. the guys i fight on the street are no professionals. the guys i need to defend my life from are not professionals. Just because it doesnt work on you doesnt mean it wont work on someone else.

and my kicks would be untouchable because A) i wouldnt kick you
B) i will only kick where there is an opening. peace over war:ph34r:
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bash his face in with a brick itsu
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No they don't, claw strikes are almost entirely useless in actual combat against a resisting opponent, wrist strikes and snap kicks are not particularly damaging at all. And as I've stated before, while getting hit in the groin is extremely painful, it is not, in and of itself incapacitating


what about verticle punches and eye jabs? wrists strikes to the jaw r not dmaging. but they can shake the brain and knock u out. boxing focues all of its attacks on the jaw, it doesnt damage the jaw either.


One can put much more power into a cross than a wrist strike, and a cross has greater range. And while an eye jab would be effective if it actually hit an eye, it probably won't, people reflexively protect their eyes more than any part of their body, and all it takes to ruin an eye strike is moving an inch or so any direction.

I'm "getting that" from experience fighting karateka and TKDers. As for catching kicks, I do train and spar with pros (UFC, WFL, etc.) and we do catch kicks, so I'm not sure why you would think yours would be so untouchable.

if they r fighting off balanced, they arent experienced. u can fight off balance, its immposible. u can appear off blanace, but your center of gravity and techniques must always be controlled for them to work. if they have no balance, they have no technique, if they have no technique, they have no power, if they have no power, they cant do damage, if they cant do damage, they cant fight. they sound like there experienced at getting thier asses beat.


It's not that they are off balance, it's that they are very easy to put off balance because of the mechanics of (some of) their kicks. And I fought quite a few karateka when I practiced Goju-ryu karate, from several different schools, it's doubtful that they all had no idea what they were doing.


can u catch a kick with no arms? can u catch a kick aimed below your waist? i only kick high when the oppertunity presents itself.if it doesnt present its self, i wont kick high.So if kicks r useless against you, i simply wont kick u.
but are kicks useful against the average fighter? sure are. the average martial artist? sure is. the guys i fight on the street are no professionals. the guys i need to defend my life from are not professionals. Just because it doesnt work on you doesnt mean it wont work on someone else.


I have arms, and it's common sense that one wouldn't attempt to catch a low kick. And I'm obviously not saying that all kicks are useless, merely that the mechanics of certain kicks in some styles allow opponents to put the user off balance quite easily.
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No they don't, claw strikes are almost entirely useless in actual combat against a resisting opponent, wrist strikes and snap kicks are not particularly damaging at all. And as I've stated before, while getting hit in the groin is extremely painful, it is not, in and of itself incapacitating


what about verticle punches and eye jabs? wrists strikes to the jaw r not dmaging. but they can shake the brain and knock u out. boxing focues all of its attacks on the jaw, it doesnt damage the jaw either.


One can put much more power into a cross than a wrist strike, and a cross has greater range. And while an eye jab would be effective if it actually hit an eye, it probably won't, people reflexively protect their eyes more than any part of their body, and all it takes to ruin an eye strike is moving an inch or so any direction.

I'm "getting that" from experience fighting karateka and TKDers. As for catching kicks, I do train and spar with pros (UFC, WFL, etc.) and we do catch kicks, so I'm not sure why you would think yours would be so untouchable.

if they r fighting off balanced, they arent experienced. u can fight off balance, its immposible. u can appear off blanace, but your center of gravity and techniques must always be controlled for them to work. if they have no balance, they have no technique, if they have no technique, they have no power, if they have no power, they cant do damage, if they cant do damage, they cant fight. they sound like there experienced at getting thier asses beat.


It's not that they are off balance, it's that they are very easy to put off balance because of the mechanics of (some of) their kicks. And I fought quite a few karateka when I practiced Goju-ryu karate, from several different schools, it's doubtful that they all had no idea what they were doing.


can u catch a kick with no arms? can u catch a kick aimed below your waist? i only kick high when the oppertunity presents itself.if it doesnt present its self, i wont kick high.So if kicks r useless against you, i simply wont kick u.
but are kicks useful against the average fighter? sure are. the average martial artist? sure is. the guys i fight on the street are no professionals. the guys i need to defend my life from are not professionals. Just because it doesnt work on you doesnt mean it wont work on someone else.


I have arms, and it's common sense that one wouldn't attempt to catch a low kick. And I'm obviously not saying that all kicks are useless, merely that the mechanics of certain kicks in some styles allow opponents to put the user off balance quite easily.


yes, certain kicks can be used to throw the attacker off balance. i fell flat on my ass when i started head hunting in a sparring match (always kicking to the head). but does that make the whole style useless?

and guess what i found out..combative TKD is callled moo duk kwan. this is moo duk kwan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu-dx4EH7Ko

on my best training method thread, i have posted sites proving moo duk kwan is indeed combative TKD. which is very similar to muy thai. tell me something, did u fight against guys fighting like the guys in the video?and i found out in moo duk kwan, they dont attack the head with kicks...so your balance issue is 100% gone in combative TKD.the video only showed a part of combative TKD, it left out the elbows and knee strikes. but as u can see, its a hell of a lot different then this.theres ground fighting to in combative TKD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoprF6_FOM
now, put some real combative TKD users (moo duk kwan) in there with some muy thai guys...and see how TKD should be done.peace over war
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JJT2 wrote:
yes, certain kicks can be used to throw the attacker off balance. i fell flat on my ass when i started head hunting in a sparring match (always kicking to the head). but does that make the whole style useless?

and guess what i found out..combative TKD is callled moo duk kwan. this is moo duk kwan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu-dx4EH7Ko

on my best training method thread, i have posted sites proving moo duk kwan is indeed combative TKD. which is very similar to muy thai. tell me something, did u fight against guys fighting like the guys in the video?and i found out in moo duk kwan, they dont attack the head with kicks...so your balance issue is 100% gone in combative TKD.the video only showed a part of combative TKD, it left out the elbows and knee strikes. but as u can see, its a hell of a lot different then this.theres ground fighting to in combative TKD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoprF6_FOM
now, put some real combative TKD users (moo duk kwan) in there with some muy thai guys...and see how TKD should be done.peace over war


I am well aware that moo duk kwan is part of tkd, but it is not similar to muay thai. Believe me, if you put a thai boxer in the ring with a mdk fighter the difference would be very apparent.
Not kicking the head doesn't really solve the balance issue, the problem rests in the way the kick is thrown, not where it is thrown. But that was just one example I was using, it's not really a big deal.

And yes I've sparred with people who practice Tang soo do, an offshoot of moo duk kwan, and I don't really find it particularly impressive.
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None. Fighting solves nothing =\


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Posted 3/24/09 , edited 3/24/09

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flourlove wrote:

None. Fighting solves nothing =\


agree...


Thanks. But I suspect I'll be quoted with a statement like "Well what if they're beating you up already" and to that I won't know what to say. I just feel that there's another alternative. In fact I'm positive everything can be worked out.

..Least I hope so.
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