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New Theory! Do Arrancars have inner Soul Reapers?
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Yo! I've been thinking for a while but if Vaizards have inner hollows because they crossed the barriers, do arrancar have inner soul reapers or their original inner plus soul?

I think it seems logical that they do because they gained shinigami powers. How else would they have done that if they didnt have a shinigami part to gain the powers from. Just like how the vaizard gained hollow powers from getting a hollow in their mind as well. I also think the reason they are in in control is because the adjuchas, and vastolorde hollows which make up the majority of Espada could pwn their shinigami side anyway because they are stronger than the average shinigami. I feel logical

It would be interesting to hear everyones opinions. So reply if your interested.
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good theory, i easily understood how shinigami gain hollow powers, but get how arrancar gain shinigami powers.Vaizards had hollow like personalities in their early stages.Its seems easy for a hollows to become arrancar just by ripping their masks like grandfisher

I believe they have inner soul reapers, Aizen had two experimental hollows one that copies abilities and the other one was in the Pendulum Arc.He probably used the consumed souls for creating arrancars.
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for normal hollows(plusses that turn to a hollow) i think don't it is possible unless they happen to eat a shinigami and inherit its powers and/or have special abilities like that of metastacia. but for a Menos type hollow (Gillian, Adcjuchas, VL) it seems possible since they are composed of thousands to millions of souls.
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anemowave wrote:

for normal hollows(plusses that turn to a hollow) i think don't it is possible unless they happen to eat a shinigami and inherit its powers and/or have special abilities like that of metastacia. but for a Menos type hollow (Gillian, Adcjuchas, VL) it seems possible since they are composed of thousands to millions of souls.


when these menos built up of other holows or souls become free and turn to gillian which becomes adcjuchas' by eating other gillian? i suppose..... they have a free mind and when they're masks are torn off they turn to arrancar. and in the state where they're masks get torn off they fight the shinigami side of themselves or maybe even their previous souls/hollows which they had consumed and once they defeat and they are in control of their free mind they then become known as "arrancar" and whatever is left of their hollow side.
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I don't really get how them having their masks removed equates to them gaining shinigami powers. Doesn't really makes sense. Like all of a sudden they get a weapon as well that is a manifestation of their former hollow self. Whole thing is kinda sketchy. Another thing KT doesn't really explain.
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I don't really get how them having their masks removed equates to them gaining shinigami powers. Doesn't really makes sense. Like all of a sudden they get a weapon as well that is a manifestation of their former hollow self. Whole thing is kinda sketchy. Another thing KT doesn't really explain.


wait doesnt aizen use that hykokugo or whatever thingy to turn them into arrancar?
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Well it is true that the arrancar would gain shinigami powers via the hykokugo. But in the series, it just seems like there were arrancar before Aizen. Idk, maybe I'm wrong. But it seems like their were arrancar (no clue how they became arrancar) and Aizen just rolled up and made them much stronger and "perfected" them
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memphis834 wrote:

Well it is true that the arrancar would gain shinigami powers via the hykokugo. But in the series, it just seems like there were arrancar before Aizen. Idk, maybe I'm wrong. But it seems like their were arrancar (no clue how they became arrancar) and Aizen just rolled up and made them much stronger and "perfected" them


nonononono aizen was there like a billion years ago.....maybe there are two ways of obtaining arrancar state. but only one way to reach espada level via hykokugo
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You know, Humans have a rieatsu, Hollows have a rieatsu, Shinigamis have a rieatsu. When a human dies they either become a hollow or go to SS, and in SS if their rieatsu is strong enough they can become/recruited as a shinigami (example- rukia and renji's past, maybe kenpachi). See there's a connection between humans/hollows/shinigamis.

Shinigami's have a barrier between hollows and shinigamis, vice-versa, hollows have a barrier between shinigamis and hollows too.

The hougyoku is there to break that barrier.

And there was no Arrancar before Aizen. You guys are probably mixing it up with Arrancars and Adjuchas/Vasto Lordes. Hollows evolve to Menos, Adjuchas, and Vasto Lorde. And each time they lose appearances of a hollow and the mask (Adjuchas being animal like and Vasto Lorde being human-like). They don't just reach arrancar state without the hougyoku, hence all arrancars and vizards in the series were formed from the hougyoku. (Rukia had Hougyoku in her, when Ichigo took her soul reaver and stabbed himself. That's why he is a vizard)

Oh yeah, and the phrases with taking off the mask (arrancar) or putting on the mask (vizard), its just trying to simplify the definition of the two. Its not "easy" to become one or the other. They don't just take off or put on the mask. They go through the processes of hougyoku.
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^Rukia doen't have the hougyoku with her yet when she lent her powers to ichigo. The hougyoku was implanted on the gigai she used and that is the reason why her shinigami powers didn't recover while she was in her gigai.

I think there are natural arrancars(probably those privaron espada members and and AA were arrancars not made out of hougyoku. And Ichigo is not a vizard. He's a human with both shinigami and hollow powers(he acquired both powers at the same time).
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PrMiScUoSpRoDiGy wrote:

You know, Humans have a rieatsu, Hollows have a rieatsu, Shinigamis have a rieatsu. When a human dies they either become a hollow or go to SS, and in SS if their rieatsu is strong enough they can become/recruited as a shinigami (example- rukia and renji's past, maybe kenpachi). See there's a connection between humans/hollows/shinigamis.

Shinigami's have a barrier between hollows and shinigamis, vice-versa, hollows have a barrier between shinigamis and hollows too.

The hougyoku is there to break that barrier.

And there was no Arrancar before Aizen. You guys are probably mixing it up with Arrancars and Adjuchas/Vasto Lordes. Hollows evolve to Menos, Adjuchas, and Vasto Lorde. And each time they lose appearances of a hollow and the mask (Adjuchas being animal like and Vasto Lorde being human-like). They don't just reach arrancar state without the hougyoku, hence all arrancars and vizards in the series were formed from the hougyoku. (Rukia had Hougyoku in her, when Ichigo took her soul reaver and stabbed himself. That's why he is a vizard)

Oh yeah, and the phrases with taking off the mask (arrancar) or putting on the mask (vizard), its just trying to simplify the definition of the two. Its not "easy" to become one or the other. They don't just take off or put on the mask. They go through the processes of hougyoku.


but did aizen have the hougyoku before?..... because it was in rukia... so how exactly did he make the vizards without it.
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PrMiScUoSpRoDiGy wrote:

You know, Humans have a rieatsu, Hollows have a rieatsu, Shinigamis have a rieatsu. When a human dies they either become a hollow or go to SS, and in SS if their rieatsu is strong enough they can become/recruited as a shinigami (example- rukia and renji's past, maybe kenpachi). See there's a connection between humans/hollows/shinigamis.

Shinigami's have a barrier between hollows and shinigamis, vice-versa, hollows have a barrier between shinigamis and hollows too.

The hougyoku is there to break that barrier.

And there was no Arrancar before Aizen. You guys are probably mixing it up with Arrancars and Adjuchas/Vasto Lordes. Hollows evolve to Menos, Adjuchas, and Vasto Lorde. And each time they lose appearances of a hollow and the mask (Adjuchas being animal like and Vasto Lorde being human-like). They don't just reach arrancar state without the hougyoku, hence all arrancars and vizards in the series were formed from the hougyoku. (Rukia had Hougyoku in her, when Ichigo took her soul reaver and stabbed himself. That's why he is a vizard)

Oh yeah, and the phrases with taking off the mask (arrancar) or putting on the mask (vizard), its just trying to simplify the definition of the two. Its not "easy" to become one or the other. They don't just take off or put on the mask. They go through the processes of hougyoku.


but did aizen have the hougyoku before?..... because it was in rukia... so how exactly did he make the vizards without it.


i feel there were arrancars before aizen just primitve ones and rare.

um..this is my theory..Aizen used other methods to test on the vizards..however it was the hougyoku that gave the power to perfect arrancars

originally the hollows have to consume other hollows and ''eat'' themselves up to vasto lordes or adjuchas but that would take a long time as shown in the grimmjow story however with the hougyoku aizen can create vasto lordes without any effort and make them stronger
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One_Great_Sushi wrote:


hitsuguya_akira wrote:


PrMiScUoSpRoDiGy wrote:

You know, Humans have a rieatsu, Hollows have a rieatsu, Shinigamis have a rieatsu. When a human dies they either become a hollow or go to SS, and in SS if their rieatsu is strong enough they can become/recruited as a shinigami (example- rukia and renji's past, maybe kenpachi). See there's a connection between humans/hollows/shinigamis.

Shinigami's have a barrier between hollows and shinigamis, vice-versa, hollows have a barrier between shinigamis and hollows too.

The hougyoku is there to break that barrier.

And there was no Arrancar before Aizen. You guys are probably mixing it up with Arrancars and Adjuchas/Vasto Lordes. Hollows evolve to Menos, Adjuchas, and Vasto Lorde. And each time they lose appearances of a hollow and the mask (Adjuchas being animal like and Vasto Lorde being human-like). They don't just reach arrancar state without the hougyoku, hence all arrancars and vizards in the series were formed from the hougyoku. (Rukia had Hougyoku in her, when Ichigo took her soul reaver and stabbed himself. That's why he is a vizard)

Oh yeah, and the phrases with taking off the mask (arrancar) or putting on the mask (vizard), its just trying to simplify the definition of the two. Its not "easy" to become one or the other. They don't just take off or put on the mask. They go through the processes of hougyoku.


but did aizen have the hougyoku before?..... because it was in rukia... so how exactly did he make the vizards without it.


i feel there were arrancars before aizen just primitve ones and rare.

um..this is my theory..Aizen used other methods to test on the vizards..however it was the hougyoku that gave the power to perfect arrancars

originally the hollows have to consume other hollows and ''eat'' themselves up to vasto lordes or adjuchas but that would take a long time as shown in the grimmjow story however with the hougyoku aizen can create vasto lordes without any effort and make them stronger



How did ichigo's hollow became so strong then? That guy can shoot nasty Cero's now.
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well we wont know until the manga reveals it
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Posted 3/26/09 , edited 3/26/09

hitsuguya_akira wrote:
but did aizen have the hougyoku before?..... because it was in rukia... so how exactly did he make the vizards without it.


i don't know what Aizen used to Shinji and co. but he may have ordered Tousen to attack a certain area in a shinigami's body that triggered the hollowfication process or injected a certain virus. It wasn't clearly explained in the manga and anime. Maybe his original plan is just to turn shinigami into hollows not make them a vizard.

There may have been other arrancar since Aizen just recently acquired the Hougyoku during the SS arc and it doesn't match the timeline in which Aizen acquired the hougyoku. Nel and the other former espada looks like they were there even before Aizen arrive in Hueco Mundo and in the pendulum arc it was still in the possession of Urahara and he was the one that used it on Shinji and co.


EarthnBeyond wrote:How did ichigo's hollow became so strong then? That guy can shoot nasty Cero's now.


Even before He is very strong but he just doesn't know how to control it.

Ichigo's reiatsu right now might be Vasto Lorde Level but he is not a Vasto Lorde since he is not a Menos.
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