Okay i am not trolling now i just read the whole thing and wow man wow T.T. There will always be evil in the world, with out good evil can exist and vice versa sigh, it never ceases to amaze to see the amount of stupidity of humanity online and off line.
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i've seen this email like a hundred times already. it's a great story, but your title is misleading. the chance of anyone disproving all of the theory of evolution is very slim.
i'm christian myself, but any hard belief in theory of creationism by anyone in the scientific field died out a long time ago. not sure where you were going with the title.
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kinda figured where it was going =P good story but i heard a simpler version of the story =P
Curiosity didin't kill no cat, a cat has 9 lives
A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
Prof: "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
Stud: "Yes sir," the student says.
Prof: "So you believe in God?"
Prof: "Is God good?"
Stud: "Sure! God's good."
Prof: "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
Prof: "Are you good or evil?"
Stud: "The Bible says I'm evil."
The professor grins knowingly.
Prof: "Aha! The Bible!"
He considers for a moment.
Prof: "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"
Stud: "Yes sir, I would."
Prof: "So you're good...!"
Stud: "I wouldn't say that."
Prof: "But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."
The student does not answer, so the professor continues.
Prof: "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him.
How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"
The student remains silent.
Prof: "No, you can't, can you?"
He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
Prof: "Let's start again, young fella.
Is God good?"
Stud: "Er...yes," the student says.
Prof: "Is Satan good?"
The student doesn't hesitate on this one.
Prof: "Then where does Satan come from?"
The student falters.
Stud: "From God"
Prof: "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son.
Is there evil in this world?"
Stud: "Yes, sir."
Prof: "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"
Prof: "So who created evil?"
The professor continued,
Prof: "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."
Again, the student has no answer.
Prof: "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"
The student squirms on his feet.
Prof: "So who created them?"
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.
Prof: "Who created them?"
There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.
Prof: "Tell me,"
he continues onto another student.
Prof: "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"
The student's voice betrays him and cracks.
Stud: "Yes, professor, I do."
The old man stops pacing.
Prof: "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you.Have you ever seen Jesus?"
Stud: "No sir. I've never seen Him."
Prof: "Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
Stud: "No, sir, I have not."
Prof: "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"
Stud: "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
Prof: "Yet you still believe in him?"
Prof: "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist.
What do you say to that, son?"
the student replies.
Stud: "I only have my faith."
Prof: "Yes, faith,"
the professor repeats.
Prof: "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own.
Stud: "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"
the professor replies.
Prof: "There's heat."
Stud: "And is there such a thing as cold?"
Prof: "Yes, son, there's cold too."
Stud: "No sir, there isn't."
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.
Stud: "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees."
Stud: "Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
Stud: "What about darkness, professor.
Is there such a thing as darkness?"
the professor replies without hesitation.
Prof: "What is night if it isn't darkness?"
Stud: "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word."
Stud: "In reality, darkness isn't.
If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him.
Prof: This will be a good semester.
"So what point are you making, young man?"
Stud: "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time.
Prof: "Flawed? Can you explain how?"
Stud: "You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought."
Stud: "It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."
Stud: "Now tell me, professor.
Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"
Prof: "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."
Stud: "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going.
Prof: A very good semester, indeed.
Stud: "Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
Stud: "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."
The student looks around the room.
Stud: "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?"
The class breaks out into laughter.
Stud: "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir."
Stud: "So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.
Prof: "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."
Stud: "Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues.
"Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"
Now uncertain, the professor responds,
Prof: "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied,
Stud: "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
The professor sat down.
the beginning is good... a great argument.
when that student starts his argument about all those craps. it is safe to say, such things are obvious and the way he make it sounds like its so not obvious. the writer, whoever that might be, made the professor look like a moron. any professor should be able to argue with what that student said for we can see proof, easily. evolution? well, it is true we dont see it happen, but we can see it happen, visually. the bones we found clearly shows a evolution. also, we can mutate cells in labs. is that not evolution. totally, the guy who wrote this story made the professor look like a moron in the second half.
it is true to say that cold is the absence of hot. but why can one not say hot is the absence of cold? there is no definite in such kind of argument. on the other hand, when the professor started his argument, he clearly used the religious bible and such to defend his views ---such things in which those christians morons study. yet, being a christian, the guy uses twist of logics to make his view sound like science. it is absolutely true that such thing is not science.
philosophy, like the student said, is full of flaws. it is to teach people how to think, not to teach people what is right.
also, the professor can clearly ask the student back the same question he did about the brain. also, after that, he can take the student to see some real brains. hence, that brain argument is illogical.
clearly, the author portrayed the professor as a moron in the second half. evil? there is no such thing as evil. philosophy by mencius clearly stated such and i totally agrees with him. if the professor is indeed a philosopher, he ought to know such famous quote and can clearly get out of such idiotic reasoning.
"Evil exists to glorify the good. Evil is negative good. It is a relative term. Evil can be transmuted into good. What is evil to one at one time, becomes good at another time to somebody else. " - Mencius
lastly, evil is the absence of god? why dear sir, what is god? and if there is an absence of god, then why believe in god? also, if the writer meant to say, using the professor's mouth, that evil is everywhere, then it is obvious with the response that he screwed for i can see that he is a religious person, hence, if evil is the absence of god, then with what he said that evil is everywhere, that means god is nowhere. really, failed.
I have found my raison d'etre... ahhhh the humanity!!!~~
What a stupid professor, he just fell for an obvious trap. Plus, both of them presented arguments that are easily refutable.
hmm god and evoulotion `can avtually both be right u know, and i think sometimes science should explain everything in the world and you shouldnt let the bible control your life...
no i dont want to join ur gay-arsed groups>:(stop sending me crap invites
evulotion? some new type of lotion?
Anyway, I'm a cristian but I prefer faith to proof. Just think if god actually talked to me people would try to have me committed.
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How the fuck is evil the absence of god when god doesn't exist?
None of this "You can't see your brain so it must not exist" bullshit. My mate cracked his skull open so hard that he had surgery. They showed pictures of his brain. It exists.
Here's a question for you then. There is a teacup, floating between here and mars. But it's so small that no one can see it. But it exists. I know it exists.
Sound is a factor which holds it together, Sound is the basis of form and shape~
wow! thanks for sharing this...praise God
why did god let the evin to spread?? i think if there wer no evil there will be no god... if there is no god there will be no evil....... the story said the absence of 1 is the beginning of something...we can say that it is a natural balance when one is lost the other will be superior^^ its kinda breaking my brain out.... ^^ amf..
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1. Wrong section.
2. This story has been told and debunked countless times.
3. This has nothing to do with evolution.
4. Only 3 people are going to read all of this.
5. There's plenty of other pointless religion vs. atheism threads in Extended Discussion.
Amen to that, I read a couple lines and stopped.
It's not that it was long, but the fact it seemed long AND pointless. Also contributing to me deciding to stop reading was thinking the thing was trying to prove something about how great God is and how science is probably just bull shit, I first thought this when I saw the word Evolution spelled wrong in the title. Hell, I'm not sure if it is about how God is so great, I didn't finish reading it.
If it's a story making god look dumb, I don't care. If it's a story making god look great, I don't care. It seemed so god damn pointless.
It's basically about some dumb atheist using the "you can't see him so he's not real" argument, then the student using the "you can't see your brain so it's not real" argument. Then it goes on to say that they both only know what they know through faith, and that the kid's faith in God is stronger than the atheist's faith in science, so God must be real.
Just another religious person's half-assed attempt a proving that God exists by trying to make atheists look dumb. Which, I'll admit, a lot of us are.
Actually it's religious people (in general) who are dumb.
"Literally-oriented religious Believers did not differ significantly from Mythologically-oriented Believers on measures of intelligence, authoritarianism, or racial prejudice. Religious Believers as a group were found to be significantly less intelligent and more authoritarian than religious Skeptics."
93% of scientists are agnostic or don't believe in god.
I believe in both in different perspectives.
DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE!
that is retarded.
if god is not omnipotent then he should not be called god
if god is omnipotent, then there should never be an absence of god
thus the argument of evil being the absence of god fails
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No more religious threads allowed either.