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look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this [sic]


"Atheist" by definition is a person who does not believe in God or gods; supreme beings.

This does not state "creator or anything." There can be a creator other than God, but surely, it is not a supreme being for Atheists. No one knows (those group of people assumed) if "someone" is even the right pronoun for this. Truly ignorant morons, are not they? Maybe not. Unless there is a new definition of "atheist." Or some ignorant moron redefined the word to fit his/her context.
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darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


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hmm, im agnostic. i do not believe in god, or at least, not the so called god of theirs... i mean, i rather be god... i am playing god all the time, am i not?

anyways, i do believe that theres a divine creator(s)...

'Than your not a Agnothic...
An Agnostic is a person who does not rule out there being a chance of there being a god... But one can not know till more evidences, or infermation is found. IF you think that there is a creator, just not a christion type god, than your not a christion. if you think there maby could be a god than your agnostic, but if you think there is a god your not agnostic. Make sense?


heck, what dont you get? there is a creator because how else could we be here? but of course it wont be those w.e religion god for they are man made.

look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this.

agnostic means someone who is unsure of the existance of god or creator or whatsoever due to the fact they have no evidence of such. but hey, it did not say that they do not believe in such. and in any logical sense, there ought to be some intelligent being that created all this. i mean, you dont just pop out of nowhere, or do you?


Someone? That's the problem that I have with the idea of God. Human are flawed by nature. Therefore is a god is a "someone" he/she is flawed. If "the creator" themselves is flawed, the product will be flawed to the core. If the world is flawed, "sins" are inevitable and can't be avoided. If sins are unavoidable, a person will most definitely go to hell. Heaven is seen as a utopia created by the creator. If the creator is flawed, nothing he makes can be without flaw, therefore heaven is a utopia in the literal meaning of the word, "no place". Therefore is a god exists he cannot be a "someone" but a "something".


if you judge sin by those of christian doctrine, heck then we're all sinners. and if were all sinners, then what meaning is the word sin? and if the word sin have no meaning, why bother teaching it? and if we dont teach it, then there wont be it. and if there isnt such thing known as sin, then we're all just very humane to the core. and if were so human to the core, there ought to be a certain person that would want to create an utopia on earth. and if we do want to do that, then we are playing god. and if we play god, then religious groups would come out and critize. and if that happens, there would be a thing known as "revolution".

i know not of god being a someone or something for i have yet to seen him. but heck, if god is divine, then i shall be divine. if god is immortal, then so shall i be. and if i am all those of god's, then am i not god? the answer is yes and no. it is true that i might become a god on earth or the universe, but heck, am i not created by some intelligent being(s)? why are things so complex and in 3d? why do we think? we do we live? are they not set upon sometime before our age? then the one who set all those up are the one who i can never reach, for he/she created me. but heck, the creation ends with the death of i. if i must die, why not deny fate and become god itself? or at least, a god on earth.
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look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this [sic]


"Atheist" by definition is a person who does not believe in God or gods; supreme beings.

This does not state "creator or anything." There can be a creator other than God, but surely, it is not a supreme being for Atheists. No one knows (those group of people assumed) if "someone" is even the right pronoun for this. Truly ignorant morons, are not they? Maybe not. Unless there is a new definition of "atheist." Or some ignorant moron redefined the word to fit his/her context.


if that is your definition, fine. but a live language evolves. you do know that cute means bow-legged back in the days. and even now, bad means good and gay means homosexual. really, evolution son, evolution
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if that is your definition, fine. but a live language evolves. you do know that cute means bow-legged back in the days. and even now, bad means good and gay means homosexual. really, evolution son, evolution


Yet, another flamboyant display of ignorance. Need I remind you, it is still 2009? True, word definitions do change, but that is dependent on the word. Good try though.

It is only your definition for "atheist" that changed, not the entirety of the language or even the definition of the formal language. A personal dialect, maybe? That might be too ignorant, especially when used in your context--accusatory, yet, wrong. That is like someone arguing that evolution theory defines "vestigial organs" as functionless--it completely ignored the descriptions provided by the theory and introduced their own to fit into their argument. "Ignorant morons" in deed. Indeed.
Posted 3/23/09

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digs wrote:

You are defining the 17.9% as atheist, but really the poll calls them nonreligious with only 1.6% declaring themselves as true atheists.


If you do not believe in a god your an atheist. No matter if you call your self one or not. Atheist is the lack of belief in a God or GODs.


Atheist is the belief that God does not exist. To me, that is different to having no religion. You can have no religion due to being uncertain on your belief. Now I'm not so certain if this is specific to the christian God or not, but it is worded like that. So I also believe people will put no religion for reasons such as having their own beliefs that aren't dominated by a particular religion or cult.
Perhaps I'm being picky about the meaning but since this is a statistic, and people interpret it differently, then I feel it's relevant.


As for the others in this thread: This really doesn't seem like another "Does God exist"/"Why do you believe in God?"/"Proof of our creator?" type of thread. It's asking why there is a change in the beliefs.

I personally don't know, perhaps other statistics could prove useful to the reason. Such as an increase in immigrants etc. That is just a guess of course. It's also possible people just happen to be changing due to the teachings of science in school. But all I say is as good as a guess.
Posted 3/23/09 , edited 3/23/09

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:

hmm, im agnostic. i do not believe in god, or at least, not the so called god of theirs... i mean, i rather be god... i am playing god all the time, am i not?

anyways, i do believe that theres a divine creator(s)...

'Than your not a Agnothic...
An Agnostic is a person who does not rule out there being a chance of there being a god... But one can not know till more evidences, or infermation is found. IF you think that there is a creator, just not a christion type god, than your not a christion. if you think there maby could be a god than your agnostic, but if you think there is a god your not agnostic. Make sense?


heck, what dont you get? there is a creator because how else could we be here? but of course it wont be those w.e religion god for they are man made.

look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this.

agnostic means someone who is unsure of the existance of god or creator or whatsoever due to the fact they have no evidence of such. but hey, it did not say that they do not believe in such. and in any logical sense, there ought to be some intelligent being that created all this. i mean, you dont just pop out of nowhere, or do you?


What is this logical sense? Atheists use the logic that there is another possibility. That there is no proof of a higher power and therefore we must search for an answer. I've yet to see any logic behind a creator, because of the obvious question raised: How did the creator get here? Or did they just pop our of nowhere?

Nobody claims we just popped out of nowhere anyway. There is a huge theory behind it that we all call the big bang. I know little about it, and can't argue with you about whether it's true or not. But even so, it sounds more logical to me. There is no sound or definite explanation as to a creator existing. Please don't insult atheists with your baseless doubt. If only makes you look ignorant.
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The thing I could say is the ones who contributed to the raise of that statistics could be the teens.
Teens not only deal with identity crisis but they also deal on what to believe in. So, they experiment or not to.



Well, as people get to their late middle age years, there's a tendency of them to stick to what they believe the most. Thus, they just become slightly open to others' views and beliefs.


Do you think the survey used teens? Usually don't they use people of voting age and up when doing the surveys? I might wrong about that, I am just asking.


On the practice SAT and ACT tests, which can be taken as early as freshman year in high school, and on the actual tests, which can be taken as early as sophomore year in high school, they ask what your religion is for statistic purposes. But they don't have an "Atheist" option, the closest thing is "No Religion" or "Other." So I'm guessing that if teenagers are included in those statistics, that's where they got the information from.

I think atheism is becoming more common because people, especially teenagers, are better able to view the world on a global scale rather than on a smaller scale due to mass-communication mediums like the Internet. So more people are able to become better educated on religions and world-views other than the ones that their parents and their local communities force them to believe, so more people are able to decide what they want to believe and have more options to choose from.


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look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this... and in any logical sense, there ought to be some intelligent being that created all this. i mean, you dont just pop out of nowhere, or do you?


I know a few other people have already jumped on you about this, and that this argument has been redone on this forum countless times, but I can't resist:

Where did the Creator come from? They couldn't have just popped out of nowhere, right?
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o0James0o wrote:


darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:

hmm, im agnostic. i do not believe in god, or at least, not the so called god of theirs... i mean, i rather be god... i am playing god all the time, am i not?

anyways, i do believe that theres a divine creator(s)...

'Than your not a Agnothic...
An Agnostic is a person who does not rule out there being a chance of there being a god... But one can not know till more evidences, or infermation is found. IF you think that there is a creator, just not a christion type god, than your not a christion. if you think there maby could be a god than your agnostic, but if you think there is a god your not agnostic. Make sense?


heck, what dont you get? there is a creator because how else could we be here? but of course it wont be those w.e religion god for they are man made.

look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this.

agnostic means someone who is unsure of the existance of god or creator or whatsoever due to the fact they have no evidence of such. but hey, it did not say that they do not believe in such. and in any logical sense, there ought to be some intelligent being that created all this. i mean, you dont just pop out of nowhere, or do you?


Someone? That's the problem that I have with the idea of God. Human are flawed by nature. Therefore is a god is a "someone" he/she is flawed. If "the creator" themselves is flawed, the product will be flawed to the core. If the world is flawed, "sins" are inevitable and can't be avoided. If sins are unavoidable, a person will most definitely go to hell. Heaven is seen as a utopia created by the creator. If the creator is flawed, nothing he makes can be without flaw, therefore heaven is a utopia in the literal meaning of the word, "no place". Therefore is a god exists he cannot be a "someone" but a "something".


if you judge sin by those of christian doctrine, heck then we're all sinners. and if were all sinners, then what meaning is the word sin? and if the word sin have no meaning, why bother teaching it? and if we dont teach it, then there wont be it. and if there isnt such thing known as sin, then we're all just very humane to the core. and if were so human to the core, there ought to be a certain person that would want to create an utopia on earth. and if we do want to do that, then we are playing god. and if we play god, then religious groups would come out and critize. and if that happens, there would be a thing known as "revolution".

i know not of god being a someone or something for i have yet to seen him. but heck, if god is divine, then i shall be divine. if god is immortal, then so shall i be. and if i am all those of god's, then am i not god? the answer is yes and no. it is true that i might become a god on earth or the universe, but heck, am i not created by some intelligent being(s)? why are things so complex and in 3d? why do we think? we do we live? are they not set upon sometime before our age? then the one who set all those up are the one who i can never reach, for he/she created me. but heck, the creation ends with the death of i. if i must die, why not deny fate and become god itself? or at least, a god on earth.

Atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings
You are not an atheist.
Posted 3/23/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

American Religious Identification Survey 2008 Results 17.9% of Americans are Atheist, that's double the amount of atheist the year before.
What do you think brings about the large jump in Atheist in America?


As for 17.9 adding in religions that do not believe in god into the factor, being that Atheist is just the lack of belief in a God or Gods. No religion specified, groups
Atheist
Agnostic
Humanist
Secular
Ethical Culture
No religion/None



it 12% For no religion/NONE and Atheist. (Some people don't like being called atheist so they don't place there vote in the atheist box. They just put No religion.


But what if you have a problem with following any religion, but still believe in a higher power?
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

American Religious Identification Survey 2008 Results 17.9% of Americans are Atheist, that's double the amount of atheist the year before.
What do you think brings about the large jump in Atheist in America?


As for 17.9 adding in religions that do not believe in god into the factor, being that Atheist is just the lack of belief in a God or Gods. No religion specified, groups
Atheist
Agnostic
Humanist
Secular
Ethical Culture
No religion/None





it 12% For no religion/NONE and Atheist. (Some people don't like being called atheist so they don't place there vote in the atheist box. They just put No religion.


But what if you have a problem with following any religion, but still believe in a higher power?


That was a choice... So they would not be part of the 17.9%. THEY have there own % group.
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o0James0o wrote:


darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:

hmm, im agnostic. i do not believe in god, or at least, not the so called god of theirs... i mean, i rather be god... i am playing god all the time, am i not?

anyways, i do believe that theres a divine creator(s)...

'Than your not a Agnothic...
An Agnostic is a person who does not rule out there being a chance of there being a god... But one can not know till more evidences, or infermation is found. IF you think that there is a creator, just not a christion type god, than your not a christion. if you think there maby could be a god than your agnostic, but if you think there is a god your not agnostic. Make sense?


heck, what dont you get? there is a creator because how else could we be here? but of course it wont be those w.e religion god for they are man made.

look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this.

agnostic means someone who is unsure of the existance of god or creator or whatsoever due to the fact they have no evidence of such. but hey, it did not say that they do not believe in such. and in any logical sense, there ought to be some intelligent being that created all this. i mean, you dont just pop out of nowhere, or do you?


Someone? That's the problem that I have with the idea of God. Human are flawed by nature. Therefore is a god is a "someone" he/she is flawed. If "the creator" themselves is flawed, the product will be flawed to the core. If the world is flawed, "sins" are inevitable and can't be avoided. If sins are unavoidable, a person will most definitely go to hell. Heaven is seen as a utopia created by the creator. If the creator is flawed, nothing he makes can be without flaw, therefore heaven is a utopia in the literal meaning of the word, "no place". Therefore is a god exists he cannot be a "someone" but a "something".


if you judge sin by those of christian doctrine, heck then we're all sinners. and if were all sinners, then what meaning is the word sin? and if the word sin have no meaning, why bother teaching it? and if we dont teach it, then there wont be it. and if there isnt such thing known as sin, then we're all just very humane to the core. and if were so human to the core, there ought to be a certain person that would want to create an utopia on earth. and if we do want to do that, then we are playing god. and if we play god, then religious groups would come out and critize. and if that happens, there would be a thing known as "revolution".

i know not of god being a someone or something for i have yet to seen him. but heck, if god is divine, then i shall be divine. if god is immortal, then so shall i be. and if i am all those of god's, then am i not god? the answer is yes and no. it is true that i might become a god on earth or the universe, but heck, am i not created by some intelligent being(s)? why are things so complex and in 3d? why do we think? we do we live? are they not set upon sometime before our age? then the one who set all those up are the one who i can never reach, for he/she created me. but heck, the creation ends with the death of i. if i must die, why not deny fate and become god itself? or at least, a god on earth.

Atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings
You are not an atheist.

congratulations on repeating what i said, i do think im more of an agnostic... but seems like that dude disagrees...
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if that is your definition, fine. but a live language evolves. you do know that cute means bow-legged back in the days. and even now, bad means good and gay means homosexual. really, evolution son, evolution


Yet, another flamboyant display of ignorance. Need I remind you, it is still 2009? True, word definitions do change, but that is dependent on the word. Good try though.

It is only your definition for "atheist" that changed, not the entirety of the language or even the definition of the formal language. A personal dialect, maybe? That might be too ignorant, especially when used in your context--accusatory, yet, wrong. That is like someone arguing that evolution theory defines "vestigial organs" as functionless--it completely ignored the descriptions provided by the theory and introduced their own to fit into their argument. "Ignorant morons" in deed. Indeed.


my definition for atheist? heck i say, is it not you who added a whole list of stuff to make complicate the easy to understand definition?

indeed, trying to act smart and in fact a fool
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o0James0o wrote:


darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:

hmm, im agnostic. i do not believe in god, or at least, not the so called god of theirs... i mean, i rather be god... i am playing god all the time, am i not?

anyways, i do believe that theres a divine creator(s)...

'Than your not a Agnothic...
An Agnostic is a person who does not rule out there being a chance of there being a god... But one can not know till more evidences, or infermation is found. IF you think that there is a creator, just not a christion type god, than your not a christion. if you think there maby could be a god than your agnostic, but if you think there is a god your not agnostic. Make sense?


heck, what dont you get? there is a creator because how else could we be here? but of course it wont be those w.e religion god for they are man made.

look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this.

agnostic means someone who is unsure of the existance of god or creator or whatsoever due to the fact they have no evidence of such. but hey, it did not say that they do not believe in such. and in any logical sense, there ought to be some intelligent being that created all this. i mean, you dont just pop out of nowhere, or do you?


Someone? That's the problem that I have with the idea of God. Human are flawed by nature. Therefore is a god is a "someone" he/she is flawed. If "the creator" themselves is flawed, the product will be flawed to the core. If the world is flawed, "sins" are inevitable and can't be avoided. If sins are unavoidable, a person will most definitely go to hell. Heaven is seen as a utopia created by the creator. If the creator is flawed, nothing he makes can be without flaw, therefore heaven is a utopia in the literal meaning of the word, "no place". Therefore is a god exists he cannot be a "someone" but a "something".


if you judge sin by those of christian doctrine, heck then we're all sinners. and if were all sinners, then what meaning is the word sin? and if the word sin have no meaning, why bother teaching it? and if we dont teach it, then there wont be it. and if there isnt such thing known as sin, then we're all just very humane to the core. and if were so human to the core, there ought to be a certain person that would want to create an utopia on earth. and if we do want to do that, then we are playing god. and if we play god, then religious groups would come out and critize. and if that happens, there would be a thing known as "revolution".

i know not of god being a someone or something for i have yet to seen him. but heck, if god is divine, then i shall be divine. if god is immortal, then so shall i be. and if i am all those of god's, then am i not god? the answer is yes and no. it is true that i might become a god on earth or the universe, but heck, am i not created by some intelligent being(s)? why are things so complex and in 3d? why do we think? we do we live? are they not set upon sometime before our age? then the one who set all those up are the one who i can never reach, for he/she created me. but heck, the creation ends with the death of i. if i must die, why not deny fate and become god itself? or at least, a god on earth.

Atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings
You are not an atheist.

congratulations on repeating what i said, i do think im more of an agnostic... but seems like that dude disagrees...

Did you not say that there is a creator? YOU did not say there might be a creator, you said there is a some type of creator, as if your 100% About that. Thats just not agnostic, am I wrong?

anyways, i do believe that theres a divine creator(s)...

Is that not what you said?

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hmm, im agnostic. i do not believe in god, or at least, not the so called god of theirs... i mean, i rather be god... i am playing god all the time, am i not?

anyways, i do believe that theres a divine creator(s)...

'Than your not a Agnothic...
An Agnostic is a person who does not rule out there being a chance of there being a god... But one can not know till more evidences, or infermation is found. IF you think that there is a creator, just not a christion type god, than your not a christion. if you think there maby could be a god than your agnostic, but if you think there is a god your not agnostic. Make sense?


heck, what dont you get? there is a creator because how else could we be here? but of course it wont be those w.e religion god for they are man made.

look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this.

agnostic means someone who is unsure of the existance of god or creator or whatsoever due to the fact they have no evidence of such. but hey, it did not say that they do not believe in such. and in any logical sense, there ought to be some intelligent being that created all this. i mean, you dont just pop out of nowhere, or do you?


What is this logical sense? Atheists use the logic that there is another possibility. That there is no proof of a higher power and therefore we must search for an answer. I've yet to see any logic behind a creator, because of the obvious question raised: How did the creator get here? Or did they just pop our of nowhere?

Nobody claims we just popped out of nowhere anyway. There is a huge theory behind it that we all call the big bang. I know little about it, and can't argue with you about whether it's true or not. But even so, it sounds more logical to me. There is no sound or definite explanation as to a creator existing. Please don't insult atheists with your baseless doubt. If only makes you look ignorant.


thats a good question, how indeed did all these happened?

a theory is by no chance concrete proof -- there is no such thing as concrete proof anyways... sorry for the insult but i still do not like those people associating themselves with atheism...
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:

hmm, im agnostic. i do not believe in god, or at least, not the so called god of theirs... i mean, i rather be god... i am playing god all the time, am i not?

anyways, i do believe that theres a divine creator(s)...

'Than your not a Agnothic...
An Agnostic is a person who does not rule out there being a chance of there being a god... But one can not know till more evidences, or infermation is found. IF you think that there is a creator, just not a christion type god, than your not a christion. if you think there maby could be a god than your agnostic, but if you think there is a god your not agnostic. Make sense?


heck, what dont you get? there is a creator because how else could we be here? but of course it wont be those w.e religion god for they are man made.

look here, atheist means you completely dont believe in god or creator or anything. i mean, heck, its obvious theyre ignorant morons. in any logical sense there ought to be someone(s) who created all this.

agnostic means someone who is unsure of the existance of god or creator or whatsoever due to the fact they have no evidence of such. but hey, it did not say that they do not believe in such. and in any logical sense, there ought to be some intelligent being that created all this. i mean, you dont just pop out of nowhere, or do you?


Someone? That's the problem that I have with the idea of God. Human are flawed by nature. Therefore is a god is a "someone" he/she is flawed. If "the creator" themselves is flawed, the product will be flawed to the core. If the world is flawed, "sins" are inevitable and can't be avoided. If sins are unavoidable, a person will most definitely go to hell. Heaven is seen as a utopia created by the creator. If the creator is flawed, nothing he makes can be without flaw, therefore heaven is a utopia in the literal meaning of the word, "no place". Therefore is a god exists he cannot be a "someone" but a "something".


if you judge sin by those of christian doctrine, heck then we're all sinners. and if were all sinners, then what meaning is the word sin? and if the word sin have no meaning, why bother teaching it? and if we dont teach it, then there wont be it. and if there isnt such thing known as sin, then we're all just very humane to the core. and if were so human to the core, there ought to be a certain person that would want to create an utopia on earth. and if we do want to do that, then we are playing god. and if we play god, then religious groups would come out and critize. and if that happens, there would be a thing known as "revolution".

i know not of god being a someone or something for i have yet to seen him. but heck, if god is divine, then i shall be divine. if god is immortal, then so shall i be. and if i am all those of god's, then am i not god? the answer is yes and no. it is true that i might become a god on earth or the universe, but heck, am i not created by some intelligent being(s)? why are things so complex and in 3d? why do we think? we do we live? are they not set upon sometime before our age? then the one who set all those up are the one who i can never reach, for he/she created me. but heck, the creation ends with the death of i. if i must die, why not deny fate and become god itself? or at least, a god on earth.

Atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings
You are not an atheist.

congratulations on repeating what i said, i do think im more of an agnostic... but seems like that dude disagrees...

Did you not say that there is a creator? YOU did not say there might be a creator, you said there is a some type of creator, as if your 100% About that. Thats just not agnostic, am I wrong?

anyways, i do believe that theres a divine creator(s)...

Is that not what you said?



true that, but what different is that when i highly doubt about it either way? there ought to be someone or something that made all these.... well, how else did it happen? pop out of nowhere? maybe.

or maybe a chain reaction of atoms? but what or who created the atoms?

or maybe believe in the bible or something and that god created the world in 7 days with everything looking like it is?

theres so much we dont know yet we spend all our lives doing worthless stuff on earth... really.... a waste...

anyways, i do think my best association would be with agnosticism... or you can give me another one...
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