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A vampire, not a dead human, but a living creature
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THAT'S BLOODY AWESOME!

I'm quite sure this whole vampire myth started with Vladimir the impaler, and you read to much twilight.



For god's sake does no one read folklore anymore or even looks to the past history of such things. You lot just focus on todays latest theme and it happens to be a fictional teenage love-sick story book. Here's my advice, if you just assume always Twilight, then you're the one reading too much of it. and, never state you are sure about what you think started with what if you are not sure. You just assume too musch of how things began and you are wrong.


I advise you stop aimlessly quoting everyone with the exact same thing and take some time to read their posts, Vladimir the impaler was a real person, dating back to the 1400's, he was well known for the being one the most blood thirsty people of history. Another interesting fact is that his last name was 'Dracula'. There is countless folklore of creatures like vampires dating after this, but the fact is, the 'Vampire' was inspired by this man, Vladamir, which in turn resulted in the 1897 Novel - "Dracula".
(I know I left out Elizabeth Báthory, Lawl)
Posted 3/29/09

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There are no such thing as a vampire. The vampire folklore were taken from the Romanians (not Rome but the country Romania). They call vampires as Strigoi (read the wikipedia article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigoi ) and moroi ( article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroi ). I think if vampires were true, its unpractical to any creature of nature to be turned to dust when sunlight touch their skin. The only true bloodsuckers are mosquitoes and vampire bats!! Grow up kid! There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires!! Don't get me started with Dracula... his story was derived from a real person called "Vlad the Impaler" (article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_Dracula ).


There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires

You just crushed some child's dreams.
Posted 3/29/09

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That's hilarious.

But come on, vampires aren't real. That's just like saying wizards and witches are real.
Posted 3/29/09
Pardon me for being bored.

So what is your purpose for creating this thread?
You just threw out a question what if you would tell us...and then asked again if we would believe it or not with or without explanation.
We just gave our thoughts.
Do you just want us to agree to your own perspective or what?
Or rather, what's here to discuss?
Hahah lol ...I'm not bored again. I'll end this here
Posted 3/29/09

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i believe that everything that breathes and eats r living, so yes vampires r living creatures ^^

Vampires do not breath because they do not exist.
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There are no such thing as a vampire. The vampire folklore were taken from the Romanians (not Rome but the country Romania). They call vampires as Strigoi (read the wikipedia article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigoi ) and moroi ( article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroi ). I think if vampires were true, its unpractical to any creature of nature to be turned to dust when sunlight touch their skin. The only true bloodsuckers are mosquitoes and vampire bats!! Grow up kid! There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires!! Don't get me started with Dracula... his story was derived from a real person called "Vlad the Impaler" (article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_Dracula ).


There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires

You just crushed some child's dreams.


Oh I'm sorry, I also forgot to mention that the tooth fairies are also not true.
Posted 3/29/09

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Gaia93 wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

There are no such thing as a vampire. The vampire folklore were taken from the Romanians (not Rome but the country Romania). They call vampires as Strigoi (read the wikipedia article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigoi ) and moroi ( article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroi ). I think if vampires were true, its unpractical to any creature of nature to be turned to dust when sunlight touch their skin. The only true bloodsuckers are mosquitoes and vampire bats!! Grow up kid! There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires!! Don't get me started with Dracula... his story was derived from a real person called "Vlad the Impaler" (article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_Dracula ).


There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires

You just crushed some child's dreams.


Oh I'm sorry, I also forgot to mention that the tooth fairies are also not true.


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Kill099 wrote:


Gaia93 wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

There are no such thing as a vampire. The vampire folklore were taken from the Romanians (not Rome but the country Romania). They call vampires as Strigoi (read the wikipedia article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigoi ) and moroi ( article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroi ). I think if vampires were true, its unpractical to any creature of nature to be turned to dust when sunlight touch their skin. The only true bloodsuckers are mosquitoes and vampire bats!! Grow up kid! There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires!! Don't get me started with Dracula... his story was derived from a real person called "Vlad the Impaler" (article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_Dracula ).


There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires

You just crushed some child's dreams.


Oh I'm sorry, I also forgot to mention that the tooth fairies are also not true.




Want to know more "child dream" breakers?
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Kill099 wrote:

There are no such thing as a vampire. The vampire folklore were taken from the Romanians (not Rome but the country Romania). They call vampires as Strigoi (read the wikipedia article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigoi ) and moroi ( article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroi ). I think if vampires were true, its unpractical to any creature of nature to be turned to dust when sunlight touch their skin. The only true bloodsuckers are mosquitoes and vampire bats!! Grow up kid! There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires!! Don't get me started with Dracula... his story was derived from a real person called "Vlad the Impaler" (article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_Dracula ).



For god's sake does no one read folklore anymore or even looks to the past history of such things. You lot just focus on todays latest theme and it happens to be a fictional teenage love-sick story book. Here's my advice, if you just assume always Twilight, then you're the one reading too much of it. First off, don't lecture about Voivode Vlad III Dracul to a Romanian and Santa, based on Saint Nicholas and Easter Buunies, taken from Roman Fertility Goddess and turned into commericalism. Oh, vampires, don't originate from Romania, Greece. And Wikipeida, not reliable source.


Hmm.. it seemed that I've read your post before... Oh no... For the mother of Christ have self respect!! At least have the courtesy of not copy/pasting your answer to everyone you quote. And, when did I mentioned about twilight? How did I assumed that it is about twilight? How did you came up with this?


if you just assume always Twilight, then you're the one reading too much of it


Again, please don't copy/paste your answer to everyone... It just shows that you're umm... lazy? No? Maybe.. you're lacking a brain to create a new sentence... That's it! You lack brains, that understandable on someone believing in vampires.

So vampires didn't originate in Romania? Hmmm what did you mean with Romania,Greece? That Romania is in Greece? Ok, for you to get this, when someone is writing an address they put it this way:

name of city or town,name of country or state for example, Houston,Texas or Los Angeles, California or Cavite, Philippines

So, you mean Romania is in Greece huh? You're more of an unreliable source than wikipedia. Actually I don't even need wikipedia to say that vampires aren't real, I just post the links to provide explanation and more information. Heck, you can do your own research and arrive at the same conclusion that vampires aren't real. If they were real, it is the stupidest creature nature has ever made coz it is burned with the sun's sunlight. Actually, they should also be burned by the moon's light coz the moon reflect the suns light for it to appear and give light during the night. There are some people who are allergic to sunlight but they don't drink blood. Vampire bats and mosquitos drink blood but they don't turn to dust with sunlight.

There was always a pattern on public spectacles, revamping the old ones (no pun intended) to create new ones. The Dracula novel was good when it was first released, then Interview with a Vampire, now Twilight... I wish I can just copy/paste my answer on yours but I do want to stay original.

Hmm I think this is interesting, you prove vampires with folklores. Its like proving a rumor with a rumor. Just genius! Pure genius! JonathanHelsinger I'll nominate you for the Darwin awards!!
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JonathanHelsinger wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

There are no such thing as a vampire. The vampire folklore were taken from the Romanians (not Rome but the country Romania). They call vampires as Strigoi (read the wikipedia article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigoi ) and moroi ( article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroi ). I think if vampires were true, its unpractical to any creature of nature to be turned to dust when sunlight touch their skin. The only true bloodsuckers are mosquitoes and vampire bats!! Grow up kid! There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires!! Don't get me started with Dracula... his story was derived from a real person called "Vlad the Impaler" (article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_Dracula ).



For god's sake does no one read folklore anymore or even looks to the past history of such things. You lot just focus on todays latest theme and it happens to be a fictional teenage love-sick story book. Here's my advice, if you just assume always Twilight, then you're the one reading too much of it. First off, don't lecture about Voivode Vlad III Dracul to a Romanian and Santa, based on Saint Nicholas and Easter Buunies, taken from Roman Fertility Goddess and turned into commericalism. Oh, vampires, don't originate from Romania, Greece. And Wikipeida, not reliable source.

Folklore is not reliable.
Notice the "lore" part?


I agree! Its like proving a rumor is true with a rumor! That's why vampires are not true coz they're just rumors or exaggerated facts.
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I think i would actually believe it is possible with watever u just said and y do people always insult and make fun of stuff people post. Its Cruel
Posted 3/29/09

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JonathanHelsinger wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

There are no such thing as a vampire. The vampire folklore were taken from the Romanians (not Rome but the country Romania). They call vampires as Strigoi (read the wikipedia article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigoi ) and moroi ( article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroi ). I think if vampires were true, its unpractical to any creature of nature to be turned to dust when sunlight touch their skin. The only true bloodsuckers are mosquitoes and vampire bats!! Grow up kid! There's no such thing as santa, easter bunnies and vampires!! Don't get me started with Dracula... his story was derived from a real person called "Vlad the Impaler" (article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_Dracula ).



For god's sake does no one read folklore anymore or even looks to the past history of such things. You lot just focus on todays latest theme and it happens to be a fictional teenage love-sick story book. Here's my advice, if you just assume always Twilight, then you're the one reading too much of it. First off, don't lecture about Voivode Vlad III Dracul to a Romanian and Santa, based on Saint Nicholas and Easter Buunies, taken from Roman Fertility Goddess and turned into commericalism. Oh, vampires, don't originate from Romania, Greece. And Wikipeida, not reliable source.


Hmm.. it seemed that I've read your post before... Oh no... For the mother of Christ have self respect!! At least have the courtesy of not copy/pasting your answer to everyone you quote. And, when did I mentioned about twilight? How did I assumed that it is about twilight? How did you came up with this?


if you just assume always Twilight, then you're the one reading too much of it


Again, please don't copy/paste your answer to everyone... It just shows that you're umm... lazy? No? Maybe.. you're lacking a brain to create a new sentence... That's it! You lack brains, that understandable on someone believing in vampires.

So vampires didn't originate in Romania? Hmmm what did you mean with Romania,Greece? That Romania is in Greece? Ok, for you to get this, when someone is writing an address they put it this way:

name of city or town,name of country or state for example, Houston,Texas or Los Angeles, California or Cavite, Philippines

So, you mean Romania is in Greece huh? You're more of an unreliable source than wikipedia. Actually I don't even need wikipedia to say that vampires aren't real, I just post the links to provide explanation and more information. Heck, you can do your own research and arrive at the same conclusion that vampires aren't real. If they were real, it is the stupidest creature nature has ever made coz it is burned with the sun's sunlight. Actually, they should also be burned by the moon's light coz the moon reflect the suns light for it to appear and give light during the night. There are some people who are allergic to sunlight but they don't drink blood. Vampire bats and mosquitos drink blood but they don't turn to dust with sunlight.

There was always a pattern on public spectacles, revamping the old ones (no pun intended) to create new ones. The Dracula novel was good when it was first released, then Interview with a Vampire, now Twilight... I wish I can just copy/paste my answer on yours but I do want to stay original.

Hmm I think this is interesting, you prove vampires with folklores. Its like proving a rumor with a rumor. Just genius! Pure genius! JonathanHelsinger I'll nominate you for the Darwin awards!!


Not Romaina as in it is in Greece, simple meant them to be seperate. Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, but when looking for actual events that created legends.
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Not Romaina as in it is in Greece, simple meant them to be seperate. Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, but when looking for actual events that created legends.


Ah its ok, we all do our mistakes at times. I'm glad that you post something original. Btw, the last sentence, it didn't make sense.


Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, but when looking for actual events that created legends.


But when looking for actual events that created legends, then what? Maybe you should put "except" than "but" to make it like this:


Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, except when looking for actual events that created legends.


So, according to your opinion, what "actual events" created the vampire legend if its not Vlad the Impaler, the Romanian Folklore or Bathory?
Posted 3/29/09

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JonathanHelsinger wrote:


Not Romaina as in it is in Greece, simple meant them to be seperate. Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, but when looking for actual events that created legends.


Ah its ok, we all do our mistakes at times. I'm glad that you post something original. Btw, the last sentence, it didn't make sense.


Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, but when looking for actual events that created legends.


But when looking for actual events that created legends, then what? Maybe you should put "except" than "but" to make it like this:


Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, except when looking for actual events that created legends.


So, according to your opinion, what "actual events" created the vampire legend if its not Vlad the Impaler, the Romanian Folklore or Bathory?


The ancient Greek society told stories of vrykolakas and nosferatu: dead humans that rose from the grave and attacked humans. This is the earliest documentation of vampiric activity in history that can be traced. The tales of Voivode Vlad Dracul and Countess Erzsebet Bathory only inspired the modern Western legends of vampires, while true stories came from the Greeks, that like the time of conquest, their society was passed down, as was their culture. From Greece they spread into Bulgaria, into Dacia which became Romania. They all have different names, but they all mean the same and with all a common theme. Their is a large difference between the Western concept of vampire and the original documentation from the East.
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JonathanHelsinger wrote:


Kill099 wrote:


JonathanHelsinger wrote:


Not Romaina as in it is in Greece, simple meant them to be seperate. Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, but when looking for actual events that created legends.


Ah its ok, we all do our mistakes at times. I'm glad that you post something original. Btw, the last sentence, it didn't make sense.


Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, but when looking for actual events that created legends.


But when looking for actual events that created legends, then what? Maybe you should put "except" than "but" to make it like this:


Minor mistake, sadly the mind seems to be slipping on a few things, except when looking for actual events that created legends.


So, according to your opinion, what "actual events" created the vampire legend if its not Vlad the Impaler, the Romanian Folklore or Bathory?


The ancient Greek society told stories of vrykolakas and nosferatu: dead humans that rose from the grave and attacked humans. This is the earliest documentation of vampiric activity in history that can be traced. The tales of Voivode Vlad Dracul and Countess Erzsebet Bathory only inspired the modern Western legends of vampires, while true stories came from the Greeks, that like the time of conquest, their society was passed down, as was their culture. From Greece they spread into Bulgaria, into Dacia which became Romania. They all have different names, but they all mean the same and with all a common theme. Their is a large difference between the Western concept of vampire and the original documentation from the East.


Hmm, that was informative. So you just said that the concept about vampires didn't originate from Romanians but from the Greeks. Which side are you on anyway? Do you want to prove that vampires are real or not? What you said are not "actual events" but just folklore. Well I did found this on the net:


The Greeks traditionally believed that a person could become a vrykolakas after death due to a sacrilegious way of life, an excommunication, or a burial in unconsecrated ground, but especially by eating the meat of a sheep which had been wounded by a werewolf. Some believed that a werewolf itself could become a powerful vampire after being killed, and would retain the wolf-like fangs, hairy palms, and glowing eyes it formerly possessed.


Maybe the term "vrykolakas" is just a way to demonize people. There are lots of folklore and cultures that demonize people by symbolizing them with mythical creatures. Well if you do believe in centaurs and sirens I don't know what to say...

Btw, if the wolf had rabies and you ate the sheep that it wounded, rabies is all you can have and it will not turn you to a "vrykolakas." It seems that they misunderstood rabies as turning into an evil creature.
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