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they are chinese and should remain part


They are people.
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Hong Kong belongs to China. It was just colonized by the British with the expense of China's pride. Even Macau was a French colony in China. Singapore was once a British colony which is now governed by Chinese descents. I think China is ready to further improve Hong Kong as the shopping capital of Asia. Chinese were renowned for being cheap businessmen which made the products sold much cheaper. This is reality, if you bought something cheap or undervalued, someone's salary was cut for it to be possible.
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England colonise too many places! greedy bastards!!!
They already have Canada, America, Australia, New Zealand...
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Ok, but people living out their daily lifes has more pressure on them ever since 1997. The system had cut off people forcing people to do more work than they ever did before. I suppose this doesnt change to people who own food stores, but people who work with the government. You can say some of the people are not influenced, but I think there are more people affected than you think.

US is one of the most advance countries. BUT their population is only 300 million and they use up to 25% of world's resources. And there's 6 billion(est.) people in the world. There were tons of factories in US. But did US have as many factories as they China does now? US mostly sold what they made to their own people. China is selling things WORLDWIDE. And further more, I don't think China will eventually realize how heavy the pollution is and then stop. Because China's demand of things is so high, that they will never stop until all the resources in China have been used up.

I suppose u're right. Other countries than China will industrialize themselves. Did you watch Al Gore's inconvient truth? It's worth watching. It makes you wonder perhaps we can still save the world.

I'm not attacking chinese culture. China's history was amazing. The four inventions did shape the modern world. However, bragging about what ur ancestors did does not make a great group of people today. It's like saying my grandparents are really nice but that doesn't mean I'm nice too.

United Nations. Suppose they sent out representatives to find the population. But there are TONS of small villages unknown. And representatives from other countries aren't welcomed there either. Since there is no proof, the representatives can just make an estimate of people in the village. And many villages can leave out more people than you think.

China as a sovereign nation... If that is true, why is that news in china never show evidence of their actual crime? They just say it's a crime and they sentence them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4O5rtjMhlchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVc888V-994&feature=channel

If what he did was remarkable, the people of China will pay the price of industrialization one day. When there is no clean water to drink in China. The price is more than they could pay. To the people of China today it might seem great. But they will regret it someday.

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But hong Kong only prospered because of England.


China's economy is booming, whereas England's shrinking! Hong Kong would of prospered still!
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KyokoHateshinai wrote:

But hong Kong only prospered because of England.


China's economy is booming, whereas England's shrinking! Hong Kong would of prospered still!


I don't know about England shrinking. But I don't think Hong Kong still is propsering either.
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^ China's economy has slowed a lot but is still growing at a rate envious by western nations!

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^ China's economy has slowed a lot but is still growing at a rate envious by western nations!



At the price of their environment...
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^ America aint exactly a greenpeace paradise either! and there's a lot of american factories in China who's polluting the air.
Moreover, america is more polluting per head AND it's the world's BIGGEST polluter!!!
More importantly, the world's biggest hypocrite!!!


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KinkyBear wrote:

^ China's economy has slowed a lot but is still growing at a rate envious by western nations!



At the price of their environment...


yeah, but who cares about the enviroment ? We could cut down 80% of all the trees on land and we'd be fine, trees only do 25% of the co2 --> O2 conversion.
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i don't know how many people were affected by the handover. however i doubt it was immensely dramatic and serious. many people that lived in HK before the handover, are still there. yes a number moved before the handover, but after it's not like everybody ran out and HK became a ghost city. also i don't see many people flying out of HK crying about how their lives were ruined, how much china sucks dick, and how it needs to burn in hell for being so utterly evil.

i don't know how many factories the US had back then or how many factories china has now. the number of factories in the US peaked during around world war II, and during that time there were factories all across the united states. china today has many more factories than any other country in the world but that is not the reason why china is producing so much pollution. the reason is that all the cities, factories, etc. in china need power. power comes from electrical plants which in china, run on mainly on coal. coal produces a lot of greenhouse gas emissions. china is trying to lower its use on coal and build more on hydroelectrical power and other methods. china has made a goal of harnessing 10% of its total power from renewable sources by around 2025 i think.

however to be realistic, today there is still no truly clean way that is also efficient enough to provide to everybody. all fossil fuels cause enormous amounts of air pollution, solar power isn't enough to power everybody, wind power can only be used in certain areas, nuclear fission produces large amounts of the radioactive and dangerous nuclear waste, hydroelectric power can only be harnessed in areas near rivers, nuclear fusion still needs to be invented, etc etc etc. until we find a way that will work both ways, we'll be stuck until our fossil fuels run low, and we eventually start world war III. if we can find a way that will work before that, then yay.

the US did not just sell amongst themselves. they sold them to europe and japan as the US was one of the world's major providers of manufactured goods. the US only sunk away from world trade in the second half of the 1920's when the fordney-mccumber tariff was passed and also through the worst part of the great depression. once world war II started and especially after the US joined the war, production skyrocketed and unemployment was near 0%. after the war the US took up reign as the leader in world trade, and today the US imports most of its goods.

china IS aware of the pollution it is causing. however there's not much they can do about it. do you really expect china to just shut down all its factories? no that would crazy. once industrialization and modernization start, there's nothing you can really do to stop it. there are sweatshops across the country where workers work for some of the lowest wages in the world. the weird thing is, people in china rarely ever complain. they never ask for less hours, and employers sometimes have to force them to go home because they won't stop working. crazy ass mofo's

global warming will not end the world. it will just melt the ice caps. that will cause a drastic change in world climate and possibly wipe out thousands or more of different species of animals and plants. i forget how high ocean levels will rise by, but it will be enough to flood coast areas around the world. however the world will not end. it'll just be very different from today, and you probably won't be able to find any areas in the world that are freezing cold.

i'm not bragging. it's true how much china has contributed to the world. i could say the same for a number of other civilizations. the greeks, romans, egyptians, indians (the ones in india), persians, and mesopotamians also had a large impact on the world, and their contributions were just as important as the chinese. perhaps the most influential civilization in history were the sumerians.

that might possibly be true but if the chinese government (which would certainly have the most accurate data) and numerous international organizations all say that the poverty level in china is less than 10%, then what can you do to disprove that. do you, me, or anybody else have a more accurate percentage than they do? i doubt it.

those videos have nothing to do with china not being a sovereign country. do you know what the definition of a sovereign country is? it is a where a nation is independent and fully able to govern the territory inside its borders.

i doubt that. fresh water could easily be purified through any one of the ridiculous number of dams china is popping up on its rivers. of course the chinese people will and already do regret the damage they have done to their environment. however between choosing the environment or living a privileged life in a modern city, most would choose the city.

i'll use america as an example to demonstrate this. america was once covered with forests and all of the continental united states was once a lush green land. now what do you see? cities, lights, roads, cars, and people all over the place. do you think anybody regrets living in that? no except maybe some naturalists who want to live "as one with nature." most people in developed countries by nature are selfish. americans are happy with their current lives that include electricity, running water, cell phones, the internet (and the massive amount of porn on it), naruto, and ak-47s.
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americans tortures their suspects and flies them to other countries to get tortured!!!
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hahaha very funny.... its been what? 10 years since this happened?... and now you ask SHOULD they take them back?! it have already been TAKEN back...

dont blame the chinese, blame the british on trying to make themselves look good by BORROWING the island for 100 years... isnt that nice?.. were just BORROWING

so now after the 100 year deal we ought to give them back... what can we do?... well... to look good, give them back of couse...

so now those hong kie dont wanna go back, well heck, you lack power without the british at your back. so you either go back or get conquered back... what can you do? go back of couse...

so now after 10 years, you came and start saying SHOULD it go back? well, if you think it shouldnt, then why didnt you protest 10 years ago? i mean, start a war of china vs hong kong.... lets see who wins... and the winner gets to take the land...

there is no choice as SHOULD, so you cant do feces about it... especially when you cant change the past
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i don't know how many people were affected by the handover. however i doubt it was immensely dramatic and serious. many people that lived in HK before the handover, are still there. yes a number moved before the handover, but after it's not like everybody ran out and HK became a ghost city. also i don't see many people flying out of HK crying about how their lives were ruined, how much china sucks dick, and how it needs to burn in hell for being so utterly evil.

i don't know how many factories the US had back then or how many factories china has now. the number of factories in the US peaked during around world war II, and during that time there were factories all across the united states. china today has many more factories than any other country in the world but that is not the reason why china is producing so much pollution. the reason is that all the cities, factories, etc. in china need power. power comes from electrical plants which in china, run on mainly on coal. coal produces a lot of greenhouse gas emissions. china is trying to lower its use on coal and build more on hydroelectrical power and other methods. china has made a goal of harnessing 10% of its total power from renewable sources by around 2025 i think.

however to be realistic, today there is still no truly clean way that is also efficient enough to provide to everybody. all fossil fuels cause enormous amounts of air pollution, solar power isn't enough to power everybody, wind power can only be used in certain areas, nuclear fission produces large amounts of the radioactive and dangerous nuclear waste, hydroelectric power can only be harnessed in areas near rivers, nuclear fusion still needs to be invented, etc etc etc. until we find a way that will work both ways, we'll be stuck until our fossil fuels run low, and we eventually start world war III. if we can find a way that will work before that, then yay.

the US did not just sell amongst themselves. they sold them to europe and japan as the US was one of the world's major providers of manufactured goods. the US only sunk away from world trade in the second half of the 1920's when the fordney-mccumber tariff was passed and also through the worst part of the great depression. once world war II started and especially after the US joined the war, production skyrocketed and unemployment was near 0%. after the war the US took up reign as the leader in world trade, and today the US imports most of its goods.

china IS aware of the pollution it is causing. however there's not much they can do about it. do you really expect china to just shut down all its factories? no that would crazy. once industrialization and modernization start, there's nothing you can really do to stop it. there are sweatshops across the country where workers work for some of the lowest wages in the world. the weird thing is, people in china rarely ever complain. they never ask for less hours, and employers sometimes have to force them to go home because they won't stop working. crazy ass mofo's

global warming will not end the world. it will just melt the ice caps. that will cause a drastic change in world climate and possibly wipe out thousands or more of different species of animals and plants. i forget how high ocean levels will rise by, but it will be enough to flood coast areas around the world. however the world will not end. it'll just be very different from today, and you probably won't be able to find any areas in the world that are freezing cold.

i'm not bragging. it's true how much china has contributed to the world. i could say the same for a number of other civilizations. the greeks, romans, egyptians, indians (the ones in india), persians, and mesopotamians also had a large impact on the world, and their contributions were just as important as the chinese. perhaps the most influential civilization in history were the sumerians.

that might possibly be true but if the chinese government (which would certainly have the most accurate data) and numerous international organizations all say that the poverty level in china is less than 10%, then what can you do to disprove that. do you, me, or anybody else have a more accurate percentage than they do? i doubt it.

those videos have nothing to do with china not being a sovereign country. do you know what the definition of a sovereign country is? it is a where a nation is independent and fully able to govern the territory inside its borders.

i doubt that. fresh water could easily be purified through any one of the ridiculous number of dams china is popping up on its rivers. of course the chinese people will and already do regret the damage they have done to their environment. however between choosing the environment or living a privileged life in a modern city, most would choose the city.

i'll use america as an example to demonstrate this. america was once covered with forests and all of the continental united states was once a lush green land. now what do you see? cities, lights, roads, cars, and people all over the place. do you think anybody regrets living in that? no except maybe some naturalists who want to live "as one with nature." most people in developed countries by nature are selfish. americans are happy with their current lives that include electricity, running water, cell phones, the internet (and the massive amount of porn on it), naruto, and ak-47s.


There's other ways to express ur disappointment then burning urself and swearing. Not many people of Hong Kong left. But there was a migration. I think most people in Hong Kong did not leave was because they've lived there for so many years, and thinking going to another country might not be better off. Nevertheless, during 1997 there were a huge demand of people to work with the government because so many had left. Some people couldn't even leave. They weren't qualified to enter other countries. Either they didnt have enough money or education.

I guess US had paid it's price too. But US stopped because they realized this. Even if China realizes, I don't think they will stop. I guess no one will ever stop until we have the World War III.

Ya, okay, I guess war is inevitable afterall.

The sea levels will rise. One of the most major populated countries will be flooded. What will the world do with that many people? If there's only so much land, can we really fit everyone on it? Besides, if all the ice caps were too melt, the ocean's salinity will drop and will cause the shutdown of thermohaline circulation, if this is going to happen, the water will freeze and another ice age will occur.

I was talking about how some chinese people decided to brag about what their ansectors did and then proclaiming how great China still is because of that.

Then let's stop the topic about the Chinese government since we have no grounds on anything to say about it.

it is still soverign when their laws are messed? If yes, then you can say every country in this world is soverign.

Purifying water, as in distiled water? That has it's problems to it as well.

The US is at problem as well. But if every single country decides to industrialize, what will be left of the world? I don't think anyone in US regrets it. So maybe, who knows? maybe the chinese won't regret it afterall. Maybe the world will only regret it when the ice age comes.
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hahaha very funny.... its been what? 10 years since this happened?... and now you ask SHOULD they take them back?! it have already been TAKEN back...

dont blame the chinese, blame the british on trying to make themselves look good by BORROWING the island for 100 years... isnt that nice?.. were just BORROWING

so now after the 100 year deal we ought to give them back... what can we do?... well... to look good, give them back of couse...

so now those hong kie dont wanna go back, well heck, you lack power without the british at your back. so you either go back or get conquered back... what can you do? go back of couse...

so now after 10 years, you came and start saying SHOULD it go back? well, if you think it shouldnt, then why didnt you protest 10 years ago? i mean, start a war of china vs hong kong.... lets see who wins... and the winner gets to take the land...

there is no choice as SHOULD, so you cant do feces about it... especially when you cant change the past


I KNOW it's already been taken back. I just want to know other people's opinion on this. And I don't think there's anyone in Hong Kong who wanted China to take back Hong Kong. But they had no say.

I'm talking about China's policies and not the chinese themselves. I don't blame the British of trying to make themselves look good. They helped Hong Kong flourish and that's all it matters. They borrowed it for 99 years by the way.

After the 99 year deal, they HAD to give it back, whether it made them look good or not. Although the British did suggest that Hong Kong continued part of their colonies, China REJECTED THE OFFER.

It was not that they lacked power without the British. It was because of the laws passed to the city. They had no choice, so they ended up with China. Do you expect hong kong to blow it's city up? WTH?

Hahahaaaa very funny, there's no way I could of protest 10 years ago. Start a war of china vs Hong kong? What are u, retarded?

Yes, I do know I can't change the past. but I can change the view of the past.
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