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Justice= revenge?
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Revenge: to exact punishment or expiation for a wrong on behalf of, esp. in a resentful or vindictive spirit: He revenged his murdered brother ; an opportunity to retaliate or gain satisfaction.
Justice: the administering of deserved punishment or reward; bring to justice, to cause to come before a court for trial or to receive punishment for one's misdeeds

Both revenge and justice are about the same. The only difference is that justice is "the people's revenge", a large amount of people agree with the vengeful act. Both are a form of retaliation against someone for something they've done.

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Posted 4/1/09
i kinda noticed that long ago... but with justice, people try to use that for a positive issue...
Posted 4/1/09

darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:

Revenge: to exact punishment or expiation for a wrong on behalf of, esp. in a resentful or vindictive spirit: He revenged his murdered brother ; an opportunity to retaliate or gain satisfaction.
Justice: the administering of deserved punishment or reward; bring to justice, to cause to come before a court for trial or to receive punishment for one's misdeeds

Both revenge and justice are about the same. The only difference is that justice is "the people's revenge", a large amount of people agree with the vengeful act. Both are a form of retaliation against someone for something they've done.

Discuss.
The kind of "justice" you just described is called the "Justice System of Society", and it's purpose is to punish those who had committed crime against the people within their society. There's really nothing I can say about any particular system except questioning the people who're responsible of it have the system running properly. Therefore if those who administrate the justice system wanted to exact revenge against someone who wronged them, then it's their choice to do so.

Personally, I believe that the truth is the only justice I need in a freedom society. I wonder what others' ideas of justice are?
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well i don't think so..
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Justice came from the word "just"

o rly?
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macphapie wrote:

Justice came from the word "just"

o rly?


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'Ever hear of the saying History is tricks played on the dead!'


Well I let you in on something.

Justice is revenge just another name for it.

Just like Anime is to Animation. Two names meaning the same damn thing.
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macphapie wrote:

Justice came from the word "just"

o rly?


Just: guided by truth, reason, justice, and fairness

Who decides what truth, reason, and fairness is? Why should we, as a society, have the right to punish or retaliate against someone because we don't agree with their actions?
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darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


macphapie wrote:

Justice came from the word "just"

o rly?


Just: guided by truth, reason, justice, and fairness

Who decides what truth, reason, and fairness is? Why should we, as a society, have the right to punish or retaliate against someone because we don't agree with their actions?


Just came from Morality. Morality came from norms. Everything included was man-made for mankind for mankind's survival D=
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macphapie wrote:


darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


macphapie wrote:

Justice came from the word "just"

o rly?


Just: guided by truth, reason, justice, and fairness

Who decides what truth, reason, and fairness is? Why should we, as a society, have the right to punish or retaliate against someone because we don't agree with their actions?


Just came from Morality. Morality came from norms. Everything included was man-made for mankind for mankind's survival D=


Morality: conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.

Norms in themselves are man-made, but detrimental to mankind's survival. If everything is the same, nothing can ever change. Man-made things are destroying mankind by destroying our environment (technological advancements) and by destroying our ability to think differently.Most of the world's greatest minds did not fit the norm.

Depending on norms will not more our species forward, we will slip back to the prehistoric style socio-economic point of view faster than we will advance to a new form of being.

If we decide what others can and cannot do we are impeding our own development as a species as well as our own individual development. Persecuting those seen as out of the norm shows a deep insecure with our society. Locking up of killing someone wouldn't fix the problems that are presented in our society.
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I said they came from, meaning we have advanced farther than just norms.


Man-made things are destroying mankind by destroying our environment (technological advancements) and by destroying our ability to think differently.Most of the world's greatest minds did not fit the norm.


That's kinda one-sided. Man-made things help improve our daily lives and can also help the environment.


If we decide what others can and cannot do we are impeding our own development as a species as well as our own individual development. Persecuting those seen as out of the norm shows a deep insecure with our society. Locking up of killing someone wouldn't fix the problems that are presented in our society.


Our advancement isn't just dependent on these moral norms. Our specie evolved from discovering new things not by going on the same track every time.

Going back on topic. We don't hinder everything that people do. There is freedom but there is tolerance to how far they abuse their rights. We don't live alone, we live in a society. Revenge is only similar to personal justice but it is not always just. You do it for your own satisfaction out of your pride. Justice on the other hand is served by our public officials. We don't do something and claim it to be "Just" I believe before laws were passed it undergoes a lot of studies and needs the approval of people specializing on laws and human rights. We made laws and the justice system to protect ourselves, our freedom and our rights. We take revenge to protect our pride, If you belive that your pride is right and it is just then that's up to you. I won't force my way thinking to others.
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Also, the revenge is another name for justice thing. Its true but Justice takes revenge for the crimes not for the person.
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its just playing with the words... revenge can blind you but justice is blind..literally...
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darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:
Who decides what truth, reason, and fairness is? Why should we, as a society, have the right to punish or retaliate against someone because we don't agree with their actions?


Because their actions infringe upon the rights of other people. If someone can't respect people and violates someone else's rights, then they don't deserve any for themselves. And for more severe crimes, if we don't stop them then they'll just keep doing it to more people until everyone is dead/raped/has all their stuff stolen.


darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:

Norms in themselves are man-made, but detrimental to mankind's survival. If everything is the same, nothing can ever change. Man-made things are destroying mankind by destroying our environment (technological advancements) and by destroying our ability to think differently.Most of the world's greatest minds did not fit the norm.

Depending on norms will not more our species forward, we will slip back to the prehistoric style socio-economic point of view faster than we will advance to a new form of being.

If we decide what others can and cannot do we are impeding our own development as a species as well as our own individual development. Persecuting those seen as out of the norm shows a deep insecure with our society. Locking up of killing someone wouldn't fix the problems that are presented in our society.


You do realize that you're basically saying "preventing people from raping, killing, and stealing has impeded our development as a society?"
You do realize that if we let people do those things without restrictions or consequences, the whole world would be full of serial killers who would most likely all kill each other, and end our species? I don't think that's really "moving our species forward."


We do adhere to the norms, but those change over time as society develops. In America it used to be the norm for white people treat non-white people like shit, now that times have changed the norms have changed with them, so now we get the same rights as white people.
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I think there's no such thing as real and true justice. Justice is a very generalized word, you may exact justice for someone who killed your loved one but it was not justice for the loved ones of those you revenged upon. Justice is limited to each person's beliefs and values. The only real equalizer in this world is power, with power, you can make your own justice.
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