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Posted 4/5/09 , edited 4/6/09
In my point of veiw.. they both are the same... racist hate others because of their skin color, religions, beliefs, etc.. And anti-racists hate racists for hating people... in conclusion they both are racists. bored.. if any mod feels that this thread is pointless delete it..........

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Posted 4/5/09
Anti-Racists? Are there any organizations like this or you just made them up? I don't think believing in some sort of equality is being "racist".
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Posted 4/6/09
They're called "extremes", and are basically characterized by "intolerance". On those grounds, they are similar ~ but on their views, they aren't. Anti-racists don't believe in racism in the first place, hence their dissent towards those who do believe in it. It's only natural for the extremes of camps to hate one another ~ but that doesn't make an anti-racist a racist.

At that point, I guess what I'm trying to say is that your logic regarding the matter makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
Posted 4/6/09
^ can you really call racism a belief?
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Posted 4/6/09 , edited 4/6/09

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^ can you really call racism a belief?


If you are challenging me on hermeneutics, I will challenge you on semantics. I was using the verb "believe", meaning it's an active form of expressing one's views regarding a certain topic, be it "racism" or "pickles". You used the noun "belief", which implies a certain level of conviction as if placing something upon the level of certainty or faith.

But then again, I don't really get the point of you asking me if racism can be considered a belief. I'm most certain that if you're racist or anti-racist, you have to believe in something ~ but then again, I'm using the verb, so, yipee.


EDIT: I read your comment wrong. You weren't challenging me, lol.

But as far as racism becoming a belief is concerned, I believe that it is possible. Qualifier there is that if you're racist, it doesn't necessarily imply that you elevate it to the point of it becoming a "belief". I believe stereotypical nuances are grounds for even the smallest form of racism ~ but, as you said, that doesn't necessarily make it a belief.

Perhaps Nazism is a form of racism raised to the point of becoming a belief, but I'm not any Tom to judge a Dick or Sally regarding their racism to the point of saying that it's their "belief". Come to think of it, it's more of a "paradigm", more than anything else.
Posted 4/6/09 , edited 4/6/09
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Ah, well you made it sound as if people have the choice to believe in racism...which, imo, isn't the case.

EDIT: and true about Nazism..it was a form of belief.



As for the OP's question about what the difference is...people who are against racism don't base their anti-views on the race of the opponent which isn't the case for the racist people - they dislike racist people because of their mindset. Racist people hate you for your racial/ethnical background.
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Posted 4/6/09 , edited 4/6/09

ShroomInferno wrote:

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Ah, well you made it sound as if people have the choice to believe in racism...which, imo, isn't the case.

EDIT: and true about Nazism..it was a form of belief.


I'd greatly appreciate it if you can expound on what, exactly, it is you mean by this.


I'd like to qualify the difference between a Racist and someone who simply says a racist comment. The former is a noun, and I believe it denotes a certain level of gravity to say that a person is, more or less, inclined to think condescendingly towards different cultures (or specific cultures, if that be the case). If it's to this point, I can pretty much say that it does present itself as a form of a belief. Whether or not it was their choice isn't the issue ~ the fact of the matter is that it's their belief.

A racist comment, on the other hand, is what anyone can say without necessarily implying that they are "Racist", per se. The word "racist", in this usage, is an adjective, note. On those grounds, I believe the gravity of belief isn't as established as that of an actual "racist", and is enough to warrant either 1) a misunderstanding of some cultural nuance, or 2) ignorance at its finest.

Otherwise, I'd like to hear more on what it is you mean about "choice" and "belief" regarding racism.


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Hmm... I just consulted the Oxford English Dictionary and found their definition for "Racism" describes it as a "belief". I'm somewhat iffy on the whole idea, now that you bring it up, because it seems like you can heap any form of Racist remark under it, without necessarily putting a burden of "belief" into the equation. I could say something racist, and it would be a form of racism, but it doesn't necessarily imply that it's my belief... it could be any of the two aforementioned cases, so to speak.
Posted 4/6/09 , edited 4/6/09
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It's always a joy to read your posts rich in vocabulary.

Anyway, what I meant to say is that you can't choose whether to believe in racism or not, because it's simply there whether you're racist or not, racism is there, therefor if you don't "believe" in it you're denying its existence which would be a bit absurd since its existence has been widely proven (WWII, KKK, etc)
By the by, I'm not connecting the verb "believe" with the religious form of "believe".

EDIT: I guess I've misused the word "belief".
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Posted 4/6/09

ShroomInferno wrote:

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It's always a joy to read your posts rich in vocabulary.

Anyway, what I meant to say is that you can't choose whether to believe in racism or not, because it's simply there whether you're racist or not, racism is there, therefor if you don't "believe" in it you're denying its existence which would be a bit absurd since its existence has been widely proven (WWII, KKK, etc)
By the by, I'm not connecting the verb "believe" with the religious form of "believe".

EDIT: I guess I've misused the word "belief".


Ah... so you were taking an existentialist position to the whole issue.

It's more like "more so than knowing what racism is, it is more important to know what it means to live in a racist world." if I'm catching your drift.

Indeed, I agree that I do believe that racist does exist, but I have no personal belief in it. Let's just say that it's a difference between the belief of existence and the belief of affect (i.e. my affect or how I relate to the world).



As for the vocabulary thing, first thing I noticed was my use of "iffy"... lol.
Posted 4/6/09
yeah they're no different....
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Posted 4/6/09
One group hates people because of certain physical features they have, because their ignorance has led them to believe that your physical appearance determines what kind of person you are. The other group hates people because of their close-minded attitudes, which is a large part of who they are as a person.

Anti-racists can't be considered racist because they don't hate those people because of their skin color, but because of their opinions and the way they treat certain people. They are both forms of bigotry though.
Posted 4/6/09
Aint this as silly as saying people who follow the laws are as bad as people breaking the laws?
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I have a question, now the question I am going to ask is not meant to offend anyone, that is not the purpose, I only want an opinion. now,
if a black person calls another black person the N word, does that make him a racist? if not, why is it when a white person says it, it automatically makes the white person one?
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weeknight wrote:

I have a question, now the question I am going to ask is not meant to offend anyone, that is not the purpose, I only want an opinion. now,
if a black person calls another black person the N word, does that make him a racist? if not, why is it when a white person says it, it automatically makes the white person one?


Its a racist term no matter who uses it, because its a word that was originally intended to humiliate and degrade us (black people) and establish class/racial superiority among whites. As for why black people use it, on one hand you could see that they are taking something that was used to oppress them and turning it into a harmless everyday thing, and at the same time preventing the oppressors (white people) from using that word which takes away power from the oppressors since it doesn't have the same oppressive effect that it used to. On the other hand, it could just be ignorance of the struggles our ancestors had to go through so that we could have the relative freedom that we have now, and they just don't know or don't care about all of the negative implications of the word and how it was used to oppress their forefathers.

Personally, as a black American guy, I don't use the word because I see the way it is used now in a negative light (ignorance of the history of that word) and would rather not push myself closer to being a sterotypical black guy. As a human being, I don't really care because it's just a word, but I think it's pretty hypocritical that the group of people who valued and desired and struggled for freedom so much are now taking away freedoms, however small they may be, from other groups of people.

So yes a black guy saying it is racist also, but with the whole political correctness craze, their ignorance is largely unaddressed because for some reason white people need to compensate for the wrong-doings of their forefathers, and allowing black people to freely use one of the tools that once oppressed them is one way of doing that. And because of America's general "eye for an eye" mentality, black people prevent white people from using it as a way to get "revenge" for what white people's ancestors have done, even though most white people today have nothing to do with it.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Ghandi (been waiting for the right time to whip that one out)
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well in my opinion its kind of a thought that is not really well thought of...
you just say that yea... racist hates other ethnic groups and "anti-racist" hates racist...
hate and hate
its still hate right?

but i think there is more depth to that
because "anti-racist" dont hate racist... or not in the way a racist hates other ethnics
dont you agree?
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