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Hmm husbands should treat their wives respectfully regardless of religion, and so too should wives treat their husbands respectfully. I don't think anyone needs religious doctrine to tell them that. I find it interesting that religion could have a stranglehold over anything these days. Hmm I guess I must live in a much more secular place than America, for better or worse.


Hmm how exactly would someone abandon who they are and their family for someone they love? And, how then did their own parents not 'abandon' their respective families to be with each other and start a family of their own...?
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As in like, they run away from home, elope, and never see their family again, or have like a terrible relationship with them.

As for the abandoning who you are, I'm not sure what I meant by that, I think I got carried away. XD

I guess I meant that people will like change themselves to be liked by the person they love.
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Ahh yeah or compromise their own beliefs... but that's a bit err desperate, it shouldn't really be necessary to uproot one's whole life in the first place. If someone let's someone else do that to their life in the name of 'love' clearly they don't love that certain someone very much.
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Ahh yeah or compromise their own beliefs... but that's a bit err desperate, it shouldn't really be necessary to uproot one's whole life in the first place. If someone let's someone else do that to their life in the name of 'love' clearly they don't love that certain someone very much.


Err I know that, I was just saying that it happens all the time in movies and stuff and its not as great as it looks.
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Err yeah just tell Captain Obvious to shut up whenever you feel necessary, sorry didn't know you were taking about movies...
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XDDDDDDD
I read about uhmmm 3 and a half pages in this thread, clicked on all links, read nearly everything withing those three pages (yeah, damn 16 yr old girl who doesn't have anything better to do 2:51 am in the night during summer...*sigh*). I laughed at mostly all, (fanfic, critics, defenses and such). I honestly can consider myself a fan of twilight...mmmm no, fan is too much, I WAS a fan of Twilight, but because it was the thickest book I had read at my short 14 yrs old and it kinda amazed me. I don't love it, I don't hate it. I haven't even started reading the last book nor even bought it because the damn fangirls already spoiled it all (I don't care anymore though)(and as far I know, it isn't something I would like to read anymore).

But damn, one does have fun reading all this!!!!!!!
If you wanna hate me read this>>>
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But seriously, I love how all of the people in those 3 and a half pages discussed about Twilight (and HP lol), it seriously was entertaining.

Btw, only things I hated about Twilight are that well, Edward IS emo, Bella is TOO SUPERFICIAL!!! I mean it... And well, that now I have in my mind that Stephenie Meyers based Bella on herself (yeah, it wasn't that obvious to me...) and it kinda gives me the creeps...
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Well you do tend to bash something with passion if you see its corrupting effect on the world. Glad to see someone has been converted to the good side though! Plus most people on this site are very, very bored, and making fun of things is pretty fun. You could state your opinion without being demeaning though, if you think its so pathetic that we write so much, isn't it more pathetic that you spent your time reading it all?

I read HP 1-4 in 1st grade. (I learned to read the summer before 1st grade.)
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Well you do tend to bash something with passion if you see its corrupting effect on the world. Glad to see someone has been converted to the good side though! Plus most people on this site are very, very bored, and making fun of things is pretty fun. You could state your opinion without being demeaning though, if you think its so pathetic that we write so much, isn't it more pathetic that you spent your time reading it all?

I read HP 1-4 in 1st grade. (I learned to read the summer before 1st grade.)


Gah, gotta agree on that! ^-^ It sometimes seems kinda fun bashing something, but I can't help feel bad for those or that being bashed.

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I tend to feel guilty after making fun of something too, unless its something that rightfully deserves it. If it is in the name of justice, then I'm okay with it.

Plus there must be balance in life, Twilight is much too highly respected, it needs to be made up for by some people bashing the crap out of it. XD
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I tend to feel guilty after making fun of something too, unless its something that rightfully deserves it. If it is in the name of justice, then I'm okay with it.

Plus there must be balance in life, Twilight is much too highly respected, it needs to be made up for by some people bashing the crap out of it. XD


OOOOH I see lol
But damn, not until I read this thread did I discover the kind of stuff there was in Twiligh (since I didn't finish it all) I didn't know it encouraged teenage pregnancy (wait, was that what I read??) I mean, wtf? What's going in Meyers' mind??
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Hehe, good to see this thread getting a bit of a workout. I'm not too sure who raised the teen pregnancy issue, though it is a good point.

The thing that worries me more is the abusive relationship and borderline suicidal tendancies promoted as a healthy part of relationships. I mean, Edward literally RIPS the engine from Bella's vehicle to prevent her from seeing Jacob. And, as for the suicidal tendencies, these are more apparent in 'New Moon', where, after Edward has left Bella she sinks into a depression, gliding through life without any autonomy. She is simply dead to the world (illustraded by various blank pages-Meyer strikes again, I mean, blank pages?) and goes so far as to literally throw herself off a cliff in order to be rescued. Healthy? Far from it.
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I think that might have been me, who raised the teenage pregnancy thing. In Breaking Dawn, Edward and Bella do it (and the books are for teens!) and she gets pregnant. I haven't read any of the Twilight books themselves, but I know enough. Apparently she goes through tons of pain, when the baby kicks, she breaks ribs, and I think she breaks her back in labor? Or something?

And they have a devil child. But noo they don't kill it, they save it. And from what I've read, its never looked upon as something horrible that Bella had a baby at 18! Its as though it doesn't matter, that encourages teen pregnancy.

The abusive relationships is another problem, at one CR group, someone started a thread, and they said they had known someone who was in an abusive relationship and wouldn't get out of it, because 'their relationship was like Edward and Bella's, he was just being protective' !

Another horrible thing, the books are soooo sexist. Like life isn't sexist enough. Bella's whole life revolves around Edward. She's supposed to do chores like cooking and cleaning, and she doesn't have a brain. Cause that will definitely encourage girls to be independent.
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Ugh gotta agree. It's really emo-ish (Not that I have anything against emos...just te idea of killing one's self). Edward seriously is uhm SICK, he's the only characters I really didn't like. Bella too, looks helpless and idiotic at times; the book seriously doesn't guide the kids in a good way...
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I don't see 18 as teen, but indeed, it is a REALLY young age to have kids (oh my gosh, a demon baby?). About that person' s "Edward & Bella's" Relationship, with all respect but I would slap that kid over and over again until she finally "woke up". Again I will say it, the book seriously doesn't guide the kids in a good way. Now I will surely not bear to see the elementary children that cross the street near the high school, wearing Twilight's t-shirts and bags (I hated it before, now I will surely hate it even more.) Damn it, and just when my cousin started reading it (she was bored all summer)... Now I gotta save her before she falls for it, though I doubt she would become anything close to a fangirl, thank God.
I still like the book, it had a few funny parts, and the character Jacob ain't such a bad character (though I have heard a few ugly stuff O_O and am starting to doubt it a little) but it surely had gone down a lot of ranks in my favorite books, it's probably not even in that section anymore =.=)
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I have to go against the grain again.

For Black Magic. Read the books before you through in your two cents. that way you will know what your talking about instead of basing your arguments off of peoples biased comments.

Secondly when has it become a crime to have sex with someone your married to. Being over the legal age to have sex, and getting pregnant when the couple is married. Steph Meyers is not promoting teen pregnancy. She even had them wait to get married.

This is a romantic fantasy book series. You always people who are ready to give up their lives for the people they love in these kinds of books. Twilight is not unique in a sense of having an overprotective relationship. Edward does not physically or verbally abuse Bella in any way or shape. I will admit he try's to control her by not letting her see Jacob. Who is considered a werewolf for most of the series. It makes sense, Just like your parents not allowing their kids to go hang out with drug dealers or gang members, basically anyone dangerous.

The book is not sexist. Bella does have a brain. She gets good grades and is in the higher science classes. She cooks and cleans to help out her father, who can't cook well. I don't know how you grew up but I had to do chores in the house. I still have to do chores even after getting out of my parents house because they don't get done if no one does them. Your grasping at examples for concepts and not quite getting them.

For badluck char, 18 is not a really young age to get pregnant. Especially when the people involved are married. Go back a couple hundred years and it was common for 14 year old girls to get married and have children. Its just not socially acceptable in today's society.

This book doesn't guide kids in a bad way. It promotes doing homework. Getting a part time job, Not doing drugs, Not having premarital sex, Going to college. promotes straightness because there are not any same sex couples. I mean honestly people if there weren't any character flaws the books would be pointless.

Turtle- you actually made a decent point with the whole cliff jumping thing. Only because she was alone and there was a riptide. But still... otherwise you jumped from book to book in the matter of a sentence. Edward only removes a piece of her engine. Its not that he "ripped" it out.

I actually liked the blank pages. It was a very artistic way to show how bad her life was.

I think people are here to bash a book because it is the "cool thing to do" instead of reading it and making up your own mind about it. I am not saying that everyone should like this book but at least come up with some educated responses instead of jumping on the bandwagon.

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