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I'm going to try it out now.
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Toby- wrote:

I'm going to try it out now.


Let me know
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Not new!
Political censorship in europe is already as high as in China.
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Not new!
Political censorship in europe is already as high as in China.


Even more of a reason to continue to fight for freedom

Posted 4/21/09
So it means, no porn for me??

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Hedbrant wrote:


sindba-d wrote:



Not new!
Political censorship in europe is already as high as in China.


Even more of a reason to continue to fight for freedom



But I don't think tunnels are a solution. You don't really know the owner. It could also be secretly the government. Once you pay a company anywhere in the world you can't sue them for handing out your data.

Real private networking should be thesolution. Wireless lan networks, which can't be controlled by any government.

edit: like Citizens' band radio, only for internet.
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sindba-d wrote:


Hedbrant wrote:


sindba-d wrote:



Not new!
Political censorship in europe is already as high as in China.


Even more of a reason to continue to fight for freedom



But I don't think tunnels are a solution. You don't really know the owner. It could also be secretly the government. Once you pay a company anywhere in the world you can't sue them for handing out your data.

Real private networking should be thesolution. Wireless lan networks, which can't be controlled by any government.

edit: like Citizens' band radio, only for internet.


Wireless is the most unsecure thing.
Actually we DO know some of the tunnel-providers. They are provided by some famous, reliable organizations . And there's no data that they can hand out, because they doesn't save it.
Here in Sweden, it's illegal for the government to do such a thing. It's called crime provocation

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Baka-Master wrote:

So it means, no porn for me??



That might be the case, yes
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Hedbrant wrote:


sindba-d wrote:


Hedbrant wrote:


sindba-d wrote:



Not new!
Political censorship in europe is already as high as in China.


Even more of a reason to continue to fight for freedom



But I don't think tunnels are a solution. You don't really know the owner. It could also be secretly the government. Once you pay a company anywhere in the world you can't sue them for handing out your data.

Real private networking should be thesolution. Wireless lan networks, which can't be controlled by any government.

edit: like Citizens' band radio, only for internet.


Wireless is the most unsecure thing.
Actually we DO know some of the tunnel-providers. They are provided by some famous, reliable organizations . And there's no data that they can hand out, because they doesn't save it.
Here in Sweden, it's illegal for the government to do such a thing. It's called crime provocation



Yes! They say they don't save it. Here in germany they had a major scandal last year for the telecom spying on employes and politicians, even though it's forbidden.

Once you take a US or any other country company, you can't be really sure because you can't sue them and wireless is as safe as any other including cable, once it's coded.

Don't forget even now you use a system that was originally provided by the government and later made private. They can always get your data.
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Alright. So I just set up Flashback, and it seems to be working. The speed is SLIGHTLY lower than what it is normally, but it's just a proof of that it's working. According to the site they are going to set up a new server for a more stabilized connection. Basically they've had loads of people signing up because of the IPRED law which drastically increased the number of users using the service.

So thumbs up, hopefully.

Stay hidden, stay safe.

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Toby- wrote:

Alright. So I just set up Flashback, and it seems to be working. The speed is SLIGHTLY lower than what it is normally, but it's just a proof of that it's working. According to the site they are going to set up a new server for a more stabilized connection. Basically they've had loads of people signing up because of the IPRED law which drastically increased the number of users using the service.

So thumbs up, hopefully.

Stay hidden, stay safe.



And now there is a providerlike company that has the same insight into your internet habits. What if they are in the US, Southamerica, Australia anywhere?

What will you do once they give your personal data away?
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sindba-d wrote:


Hedbrant wrote:


sindba-d wrote:


Hedbrant wrote:


sindba-d wrote:



Not new!
Political censorship in europe is already as high as in China.


Even more of a reason to continue to fight for freedom



But I don't think tunnels are a solution. You don't really know the owner. It could also be secretly the government. Once you pay a company anywhere in the world you can't sue them for handing out your data.

Real private networking should be thesolution. Wireless lan networks, which can't be controlled by any government.

edit: like Citizens' band radio, only for internet.


Wireless is the most unsecure thing.
Actually we DO know some of the tunnel-providers. They are provided by some famous, reliable organizations . And there's no data that they can hand out, because they doesn't save it.
Here in Sweden, it's illegal for the government to do such a thing. It's called crime provocation



Yes! They say they don't save it. Here in germany they had a major scandal last year for the telecom spying on employes and politicians, even though it's forbidden.

Once you take a US or any other country company, you can't be really sure because you can't sue them and wireless is as safe as any other including cable, once it's coded.

Don't forget even now you use a system that was originally provided by the government and later made private. They can always get your data.


Yeah there are ways to protect your wireless connection, but a standard code is pretty easy to break. (don't ask me how I know that)

And some might be spying. But there are some that are reliable (and they are the best ones too). We have one that has been set up by the Swedish Pirate Party and another one by The Pirate Bay
So taking a US one would not be smart ofc




Toby- wrote:

Alright. So I just set up Flashback, and it seems to be working. The speed is SLIGHTLY lower than what it is normally, but it's just a proof of that it's working. According to the site they are going to set up a new server for a more stabilized connection. Basically they've had loads of people signing up because of the IPRED law which drastically increased the number of users using the service.

So thumbs up, hopefully.

Stay hidden, stay safe.



Nice... Im probably gonna sign up soon too.

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alright, i suggest you do that in a week or so, i dont think they fixed the server issue yet.. but they said they would do it in the middle of april (which is now, therefore i expect it to be solved soon)
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Posted 4/21/09 , edited 4/21/09

sindba-d wrote:


Toby- wrote:

Alright. So I just set up Flashback, and it seems to be working. The speed is SLIGHTLY lower than what it is normally, but it's just a proof of that it's working. According to the site they are going to set up a new server for a more stabilized connection. Basically they've had loads of people signing up because of the IPRED law which drastically increased the number of users using the service.

So thumbs up, hopefully.

Stay hidden, stay safe.



And now there is a providerlike company that has the same insight into your internet habits. What if they are in the US, Southamerica, Australia anywhere?

What will you do once they give your personal data away?


They wont. It's a service, trust me on this one.

*edit; sorry for doublepost
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Hedbrant wrote:

Yeah there are ways to protect your wireless connection, but a standard code is pretty easy to break. (don't ask me how I know that)

And some might be spying. But there are some that are reliable (and they are the best ones too). We have one that has been set up by the Swedish Pirate Party and another one by The Pirate Bay
So taking a US one would not be smart ofc




I know that decoding is simple but as long as you use the phyical net, telephone cable provided by your government there is nothing near true safety.

Decoding takes a lot of time. If it isn't worth the effort they won't start spying on you.
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