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European Internet freedom in danger!
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Posted 4/21/09
So Europe has adapted China's internet system huh.
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NOOOOO!
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sindba-d wrote:


Hedbrant wrote:

Yeah there are ways to protect your wireless connection, but a standard code is pretty easy to break. (don't ask me how I know that)

And some might be spying. But there are some that are reliable (and they are the best ones too). We have one that has been set up by the Swedish Pirate Party and another one by The Pirate Bay
So taking a US one would not be smart ofc




I know that decoding is simple but as long as you use the phyical net, telephone cable provided by your government there is nothing near true safety.

Decoding takes a lot of time. If it isn't worth the effort they won't start spying on you.

Well a wireless connection is provided by the same government.
But anyway, we know some tunnel-providers we can trust and my ISP isn't saving their logs. So if the government get to me, they have done something illegal.

On the other hand, the military can see ALL data crossing the borders. But that isn't for hunting pirates

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Toby- wrote:


sindba-d wrote:



And now there is a providerlike company that has the same insight into your internet habits. What if they are in the US, Southamerica, Australia anywhere?

What will you do once they give your personal data away?


They wont. It's a service, trust me on this one.

*edit; sorry for doublepost


It's not a matter of trust IN YOU.
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Posted 4/21/09
I know that, but if people actually pay for a service that doesn't work here in Sweden, we could probably sue the provider. Plus, theese people are just like us, they want to remain anonymous.
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Hedbrant wrote:

Well a wireless connection is provided by the same government.
But anyway, we know some tunnel-providers we can trust and my ISP isn't saving their logs. So if the government get to me, they have done something illegal.

On the other hand, the military can see ALL data crossing the borders. But that isn't for hunting pirates



Not necessarily! I compared it earlier to CB radio(Citizens' band radio).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_band_radio
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Posted 4/21/09

sindba-d wrote:


Hedbrant wrote:

Well a wireless connection is provided by the same government.
But anyway, we know some tunnel-providers we can trust and my ISP isn't saving their logs. So if the government get to me, they have done something illegal.

On the other hand, the military can see ALL data crossing the borders. But that isn't for hunting pirates



Not necessarily! I compared it earlier to CB radio(Citizens' band radio).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_band_radio



oh sorry my fault. I forgot that.
Yeah a private network IS a solution. But it would be hard to build such a network.
And I don't want to give up my 50 MB/s

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Hedbrant wrote:




oh sorry my fault. I forgot that.
Yeah a private network IS a solution. But it would be hard to build such a network.
And I don't want to give up my 50 MB/s



I would say it's the only real solution. It could work like a P2P network and in europe live enough people to enable such a network only by radio.
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Posted 4/21/09
Didn't I heard this a few months ago that this was going to happen EVERYWHERE?

But OMG thats so messed up now it feels like the government owns the internet
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That sucks!
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27 / M / Sweden
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Posted 4/21/09

sindba-d wrote:


Hedbrant wrote:




oh sorry my fault. I forgot that.
Yeah a private network IS a solution. But it would be hard to build such a network.
And I don't want to give up my 50 MB/s



I would say it's the only real solution. It could work like a P2P network and in europe live enough people to enable such a network only by radio.



In any case I will wait and see. Politicians can be exchanged.
The swedish Pirate Party is running for the EU-election this year and they have a pretty good chance too. Their members went up over 150% after the Pirate Bay-guys were found guilty.
And to many swedes they're the only option since most of the other political partys seems corrupt.
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Posted 4/21/09
sucks to be europe
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Posted 4/21/09
I find it interesting. I mean, there are currently restrictions on many internet connections, in terms of downloading and uploading limits (ie, 60 gigs a month), and no one seems to have really given a care about it.
But things like net neturality (which this article is defending) are a serious issue. We should be allowed to go to whatever site we choose, because the internet is a place where free information exchange is vital, whether or not corporations wish us to exchange this information. Because any information can be exchanged, it creates risk of illegally exchange information (ie downloading of music, movies, anime, etc), but I don't think the solution of stopping downloading is by locking down the internet or pushing all the users when there's no definitive proof that everyone downloads.
Another argument for these sorts of restrictions is for stopping access to dangerous websites (terrorism, etc). Once again, it's a horrible idea to punish all the people of the internet for the acts of criminals. The internet should be free access to anyone.
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Posted 4/21/09
all i gotta say is that sux
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