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So far, during the last couple of chapters Hachi has been narrating that she has done something horrible, she should be punished, and now she's looking for Nana.

I know, this is kind of a lame question because I think we'll find out soon. \

But maybe, hachi chose takumi over nana again? (I hate how that's worded, because I think hachi adores nana o. more than takumi). Or maybe she's giving birth and she's not there when nana o. is having another mental breakdown, but then nana o. should be more forgiving because she's in labor.

I don't know...

what do you guys think?
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I have been thinking about this, too. I think you are on the right track as far as Hachi "choosing" Takumi again; that seems to be the thing that really gets under Nana's skin. I'm remembering her reaction when Hachi announced she was marrying him; she broke the glasses and basically blacked out. It might have something to do with Reira as well - I do think Nana will find out Ren was going to see her when he crashed. I also think Hachi will find out Takumi cheated on her with Reira.

Well, I guess I don't really know what it's going to be! I'm sure the author will surprise us like she always does...
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This is what I think

I'm not sure but I think Nana and Hachi are falling in love with each other and Nana realizes it first and maybe presses it and confesses, Hachi duty bound to her husband rejects her and Nana runs think it was all a lie..
I can see Takumi finding out, getting pissed and throwing his affairs in Hachi face causing there separation and then Hachi finally gets it that she was always in love with Nana...

Of course I could be so far out in left field that I'm not even in the ball part...

I'm just waiting for the scene when Nana on stage see's Hachi in the crowd at the bar / club in London that should good...
Probably 6 months from now...
Posted 4/24/09
I fucking despise Hachi after all that she did. She's such an idiot, sometimes I feel like stop reading the manga and give up on the anime just because of her >.<'' After what she did to Nobu and Nana~
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I think Hachi feels guilty because she chooses her family (her kid and husband) and Nana is lonely, there is no one for her.. Poor Nana.. I really don't know. I just want to see the future arc.
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Posted 4/24/09
i don't really care what she did...as long as it doesn't involve reira or gayness
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sweet_sacrifice777 wrote:

i don't really care what she did...as long as it doesn't involve reira or gayness


Same here. I fucking hate Reira and not that I have a thing about homosexuality, but I think they just have a really deep relationship.

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I fucking despise Hachi after all that she did. She's such an idiot, sometimes I feel like stop reading the manga and give up on the anime just because of her >.<'' After what she did to Nobu and Nana~



Uhhhhhhhh......

Damn.
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you know this gay part sounds interesting that would be an awesome twist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As much as I love takumi and nobu this would certainly cause A HUGE friction with them. But it won't happen I guess but I would like for hachi to find out about reira sleeping with takumi. Its clear that takumi doesn't really see reira like as woman and thats what hurts her the most . I want to see how hachi and nana are going to get through this. In fact after I finish my essay and school work in general I'll start a topic about it.

Whether their love can be seen so deep its beauitful or that maybe they are "in love" it really depends what the auidence thinks about their relationship.
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Nana K. tells Nana O. that her estranged mother is alive, and that she wants to meet her.
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I personally dont think the gay thing will ever happen. They definitely love each other in an unsually intense way but there has always been a guy on the scene.
Im sure there are loads of factors that contributed to the unknown future events ...nana running away...
-loosing Ren being a massive one!!
Nana O's abandonment issues have always been apparent and her and Ren always promised each other they would die together. Nana O felt abandoned when Ren died... to her he left her the same way her mother did.
Hatchi has always been fickle, falling in and out of love easily. Getting pregnant woke her up and she made a conscious decision to change for the good of her baby. She chose Takumi over Nobu because he was the safer option for the future of the baby... meaning she had to give up what she knew was true love with Nobu ( T.T ). I dont agree with this decision but the story would be very different had she chosen love!
Nana O took the decision badly and again saw herself being abandoned... Hatchi contributed alot to that feeling by letting Takumi control everything! (like when she sat in room 707 like a mute and let Takumi tell Nana that him a Hatchi were getting married and Hatchi was moving out... grrr that was sooooo frustrating).
These feelings have been so much apart of the story up till now that I think they will be the end of it too!
Maybe...
Hatchi has the baby and has to leave the dorms and go back to her life with Takumi, abandoning Nana in her moment of greatest need. On top of this the baby may sooo obviously look like nobu that Nana O tries to get Hatchi to leave Takumi and get back with Nobu (this would secure Hatchi in her life again). But Nana stupidly stays with Takumi for security... supa abandonment!!!
Then in comes Nana O's past... We havent had all that info pop up for nothing... Yasu knows about it too...
This maybe the straw that breaks the camels back... Nana finds out her mother is still alive and that she has a step brother and that the supa cute fan Misato Uehera is in fact her half-sister... So what?! Her mother abandons her forever, not to be free and make something of her life but to make a happy family somewhere else and forget about Nana?!?...
She cant handle it all and wants to run from it all and be as close to ren as she can...

What is Hatchi feeling so guilty about??
-Abandoning Nana, her bestest friend ever, in her moment of greatest need...for an unfulfilling, lonely life with a guy who can provide for her but not love her.
-Hatchi then thinks she can make things better for Nana, bring love back into her life by taking Nana to her mum... only it has the opposite effect on Nana O...

Maybe?? ^_^

Sorry for rambling... I love Nana and am so curious to see what the future holds!!
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@ titch, Your post was quite interesting and was a nice read. However, even if Hachi is living a lonely life, I don't think it's because Takumi doesn't love her it's probably because he doesn't show it too well. Nobu and Hachi's love isn't necessarily a better "love" than Takumi and Hachi's. I personally think both relationships are equal on the terms of love (no matter how different it seems). IMO that is.
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hmmmm, I see where you're coming from but I really think Nobu's the better guy for Hatchi.
Takumi and love are 2 things I struggle with!! He is human so he must be able to love but its just as you said, he doesnt know how to show it... Its not that I think Takumi doesn't love Hatchi its that he cant give her what she needs and deserves! I see Nobu's love as being better than Takumi's... for someone like Hatchi!!
It is and always has been about Takumi getting what he wants (even in the bonus chapter we see how he has kept Reira close since day one but never returned her love... Trapnest was formed so Takumi wouldnt loose Reira). He is a very clever boy and unfortunately knows exactly what to say and do to keep a woman by his side without her getting what she really wants. He has a hold over women... he finds something only he can do for them and uses it to keep them close.
So far in the Takumi-Hatchi relationship, Takumi has always put Trapnest first... not a good sign for Hatchi when Reira, Takumi's 'first love', is the reason he formed the band in the first place!
I wouldnt be at all surprised if they ended up together...
Which only leaves me feeling sad for Hatchi who could have had a much happier life with Nobu who truely loves her for who and what she is!

?!?!? what do you think now?!?!? ^_^
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titch wrote:

I personally dont think the gay thing will ever happen. They definitely love each other in an unsually intense way but there has always been a guy on the scene.
Im sure there are loads of factors that contributed to the unknown future events ...nana running away...
-loosing Ren being a massive one!!
Nana O's abandonment issues have always been apparent and her and Ren always promised each other they would die together. Nana O felt abandoned when Ren died... to her he left her the same way her mother did.
Hatchi has always been fickle, falling in and out of love easily. Getting pregnant woke her up and she made a conscious decision to change for the good of her baby. She chose Takumi over Nobu because he was the safer option for the future of the baby... meaning she had to give up what she knew was true love with Nobu ( T.T ). I dont agree with this decision but the story would be very different had she chosen love!
Nana O took the decision badly and again saw herself being abandoned... Hatchi contributed alot to that feeling by letting Takumi control everything! (like when she sat in room 707 like a mute and let Takumi tell Nana that him a Hatchi were getting married and Hatchi was moving out... grrr that was sooooo frustrating).
These feelings have been so much apart of the story up till now that I think they will be the end of it too!
Maybe...
Hatchi has the baby and has to leave the dorms and go back to her life with Takumi, abandoning Nana in her moment of greatest need. On top of this the baby may sooo obviously look like nobu that Nana O tries to get Hatchi to leave Takumi and get back with Nobu (this would secure Hatchi in her life again). But Nana stupidly stays with Takumi for security... supa abandonment!!!
Then in comes Nana O's past... We havent had all that info pop up for nothing... Yasu knows about it too...
This maybe the straw that breaks the camels back... Nana finds out her mother is still alive and that she has a step brother and that the supa cute fan Misato Uehera is in fact her half-sister... So what?! Her mother abandons her forever, not to be free and make something of her life but to make a happy family somewhere else and forget about Nana?!?...
She cant handle it all and wants to run from it all and be as close to ren as she can...

What is Hatchi feeling so guilty about??
-Abandoning Nana, her bestest friend ever, in her moment of greatest need...for an unfulfilling, lonely life with a guy who can provide for her but not love her.
-Hatchi then thinks she can make things better for Nana, bring love back into her life by taking Nana to her mum... only it has the opposite effect on Nana O...

Maybe?? ^_^

Sorry for rambling... I love Nana and am so curious to see what the future holds!!



http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v13/c048/39.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v13/c048/40.html
this is the reason why she chose takumi it so clear it's not because of the baby or for nobu. I think it's better to read the entire chapter to clearly understand why she chose takumi.

as a reader's point of view, takumi's first appearance has the bigger impact to hachi than her first meeting with nobu and i think that takumi was always ahead of nobu when it terms of women or relationships. That's the big difference.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v13/c048/15.html
this page tell us that takumi becomes her strength or the one who gave her the courage to write the letter to nana. She probably had some reasons as to why she didn't say anything to nana.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v12/c043/3.html
proof that she chose takumi not because for security...
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titch wrote:

I personally dont think the gay thing will ever happen. They definitely love each other in an unsually intense way but there has always been a guy on the scene.


I agree with that too. Their love looks more like a sisterly love, and not a sexual love. Nana K. said once: "If Nana was a guy, she'd be the love of my life", and Nana Osaki says to her all the time: "I do not have sex with girls". Is clear that their feelings for each other are not sexual; they do not feel sexually attracted to each other, they love each other like if they were sisters.

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