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Sorry guys, we have gone off the subject a bit here but I'm enjoying hearing other peoples opinions anyway!

@gentlewater... I wish I had the time to go through the manga and find pages to prove my point but I dont so I will do my best without them! ^_^
I read those pages you noted again and I see where you are coming from but... when she says that the baby and Nobou arent the reasons she chose Takumi she then says it was because Takumi was the only one there for her... thats not true... Nobou came but she turned her back from him and cried!!! This was another frustrating scene to read. After everything that had happened and Takumi calling Nobou the way he did about the baby, Nobou had every reason to suspect that Hatchi hadnt broken it off with Takumi.... I believe in true love being a happy and joyful thing not the mostly painful and heartbreaking thing Hatchi and Takumi have. He has really put her through it. How can he love her and do ALL the things he has done to her?!?
When Hatchi and Nobou were together she was so happy... read
http://www.onemanga.com/Nana/22/42/
http://www.onemanga.com/Nana/22/44/
She seemed genuinely happy when she was with Nobou but always seems to be excusing her love for Takumi.
Hatchi ends up choosing the guy that is as bad as her (in her eyes) and wont judge her for being the superficial and fickle person she feels she is.

I may be bias though cause I love Hatchi and Nobou... I love true love! ^_^
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Posted 5/20/09
BTW, I love Hatchi despite the way she is... Im bias like that too!
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titch wrote:

I may be bias though cause I love Hatchi and Nobou... I love true love! ^_^


I’ll try to explain to my understanding why I’m so not fond of them. Before we talk about what true love is let me explain what hachi meant by nobu not being there for her she basically didn’t refer of his presence we know he was there but where is his heart? At that moment even if he was sitting next to her what did he do? He suspected her, he doubted her, where was his faith? Where is the love? He said “if you were by my side I feel like I can move mountain” But what happened when their relationship being tested? Again, where is the true love? You said you believe in true love being happy and joyful which you are right and during those times they were dating we can feel those true love you described but when their relationship facing trial what happened to the true love? Their feelings were like bubbles they burst. Nobu has the right to suspect same goes with takumi but takumi stood there and gave comfort, courage, even supported her and accepted her of what she has done but what nobu did? He questions her. That is why hachi was so sad about it that she accepted takumi’s offer right away. If only Nobu stood there and hold hachi as if he won’t let her go then she might having difficulty to choose but then it was good thing that it happened because it wasn’t a big decision to make the incident happened to be in favour of takumi.

I feel bad about people who were paying attention particularly to the characters flaws coz they often forgetting the characters good deeds. Oh well, that always happen. But for us, very few hachi x takumi true supporters we knew how much love each other…lol... What so good about them is that their marriage is so far from being perfect that alone is a good thing, it is so full of suspense but no matter what even they live far from each other, being tempted by others and yet they’re still married and I think that is amazing. (only at the moment)

Now, this is the truth true love doesn’t only mean to be happy and joyful take the nana and ren as an example. Despite of of those painful and heartbreaking scenes I still believe what they feel for each other is true love but their relationship is so much worse than hachi and takumi at least that’s how I think.lol..

Again, moment of truth Takumi loves hachi if she leave him I feel really disappointed. (Takumi will be in the battlefield) come on, he didn’t treat hachi that badly she is a spoiled princess whenever he is with her.
Though there were many times that takumi neglected hachi, being seduced by reira, slept with other women. One thing is for certain he never love anyone but only hachi and hachi alone. that must be true love????( hmm i wonder)

If you want a proof just let me know.. I’ll be very willing to post them…lol..

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Brain power is dying I\m suppose to be studying for an exam and I will still but I need to stimulate myself again and your post did it. Your right what is true love? Its a hard term to define but in my opinion its that you love someone no matter what they have done and still stand by them. Takumi has showen his flaws over and over but hachi still stand with him. The same goes for takumi despite that he is in England for some strange reason he is still married to hachi despite her whim in wanting to stay in Japan.
Takumi looks clearly unhappy without his family their with him. I want to see hachi and takumi talk more in depth in the flash forwards that way we can have a more understanding about what is going on with them in the future. Yes please post your thoughts on proof on love because its always interesting what you have to say.
On another note god damn i want that child to be born already!!!!!!!!!!! This manga is killing me because i want to see the baby already >_< Maybe its just me but I want to see Takumi acting as a father to a baby. ^_^ come on no one thinks that wouldn't be interesting to see!!!! lol
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Hi Hi!

Well well... I have alot of challenges ahead of me!! I see you are a true Takumi x Hatchi supporter! :)
I totally see where you're coming from and why you think the way you do. there have been some supa cute scenes between Takumi and Hatchi... those scenes make my heart go all warm too! (like when he brought little shoes back from England)
I also realise that Nobou didn't do well when the relationship was being trialed and he didn't fight to win the girl. He is so naive next to Takumi... no match really! But I can't help but hold onto my wishes to see Hatchi and Nobou back together again!
I would like to see you proof of love between them... I know they love each other, I just see Nobou as the kinder of the 2... despite his failure to be there when Hatchi got pregnant. Takumi has many more faults than Nobou, so it will be hard to convince me! ^_^
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one more thing... hatci getting pregnant ended everything between her and nobou very suddenly and they hadnt even been together for very long. I think the reason I like Nobou more is because of the way everything was handled back then. When Takumi came round, found out Hatchi was pregnant and phoned Nobou the way he did. He wasnt doing that for anyone but himself. He had no right to march into her life again the way he did after using her and then going on tour for months without contact. He treated her like junk in the beginning... and he really wasnt giving Nobou a chance when he phoned him. He planted huge doubt in him just by making that phone call. Then Hatchi just cried and said nothing when Nobou came to see her. He told her he would believe anything she said, she just had to say it... but Takumi had made her feel so guilty for the whole situation that she didn't say a word!!!!
Takumi may be 'all accepting' but he makes her feel bad about herself so she thinks she has to be with someone like him... someone that won't judge her.
I know Hatchi is fickle but she was in no state that night to make any decisions or to defend herself against anyone! She isnt perfect but she is nothing like Takumi.
Takumi is definitly a character for us to love and hate. Just I seem to hate him more than love him... we will have to see what the future holds and who he is there for in the next few chapters... reira or hatchi?!
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“When Takumi came round, found out Hatchi was pregnant and phoned Nobou the way he did. He wasnt doing that for anyone but himself.”

Takumi said “the only people love are themselves...” so, when he was fighting for the woman he wanted to have he did that not because for anyone but for himself is that wrong? Is he the only one thinking that way? NO, look at hachi, when she chose to be with takumi was she thinking of nobu? Was she thinking of the baby? No, she said so well “I’m always like that… selfishly thinking only about myself. They were both the same but what hachi realized that moment when she chose to be with takumi is the truth behind those words which she thought were merely lies. Takumi said something… “I won’t hand you to anyone.. I want you to be mine” This is one of the proof that takumi have some feelings for hachi that she thought it was only opportunity to sleep with women and that proven wrong.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v08/c026/40.html

“ He had no right to march into her life again the way he did after using her and then going on tour for months without contact. He treated her like junk in the beginning.”


Ohhh how can you say that. Look, he didn’t treat her like junk in the beginning. It was mutual they both like doing it.. How can you make it look like takumi was the only one having fun. (Especially after paying such an expensive suite)!!! For me, at least takumi understand hachi he said at your age you didn’t know what to do when you feel lonely you sleep with anyone you first met this is partly true maybe not anyone but she sleep with someone she is interested with. Go back to how their relationship started they both agreed and hachi knows too well that he is not a caring person and that he is so busy with work that he has not time for women but it was hachi who defended him. So perhaps, Takumi assumed that a relationship like that is ok. Hachi never demand she didn’t even expect anything from him. When takumi was on tour although he never contacted her but he misses her. I think that alone is a positive sign.

Take a look at these scenes naoki said something about takumi running from one woman to another so no need to worry but obviously that was the thing yasu was worried about…So what was takumi doing???

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v06/c020/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v06/c020/10.html
pages 10-11

in these scenes there were no text but we can see takumi sitting while lighting his cigarette is that perhaps the only thing he was doing? Anyway, what happen next? Instead staying there and flirting with reira he left and gone to hachi without giving her any notice…

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v06/c020/24.html

Another scene that interest me is this one

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v07/c022/10.html
pages 10-11
You see it’s not only takumi whom you think is using hachi but also hachi is doing whatever she feel like doing…

After the phone incident when hachi asked takumi to not see her again Takumi sense of trouble I think this is the first time takumi tried to ring her…and look how mad he is!

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v07/c024/33.html
pages 33-34

To see what he actually feels towards hachi..
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/nana/v08/c025/39.html
pages 39-41
this is the reason why he fight to get his woman back!!!!

“Then Hatchi just cried and said nothing when Nobou came to see her. He told her he would believe anything she said, she just had to say it... but Takumi had made her feel so guilty for the whole situation that she didn't say a word!!!!”

This is so confusing, because I interpreted it in different way I remember back when hachi breaks up with shouji she didn’t say much. She is the kind of person who won’t ask for explanation or try to defend herself. I don’t think takumi made her feel so guilty it’s more like she is sad about the whole thing and it’s more likely a sign of resignation really.

I’ve noticed I waste a lot space already and i’m not even half way there lol..
This is my last resort instead of posting those scenes which you actually read already but didn’t pay much attention to it I will used my last card I hate this but this will make it so simple and for others who were also takumi x hachi they were their last hope and they were the kids. I shouldn’t involve the kids however, the author showed us what kind of parents they are especially Takumi. Takumi not only care about hachi but also like I said before he is true to his words when he said “ I want to be a good father” he actually did it. It didn’t tell us in details but we see takumi picking up her daughter from school buying her a new dress or hugged by his son those scenes were just examples of how takumi become as a husband to being a father. In real life situation whenever the couples have problems they only think about themselves but as we can see in this manga the children hold a big part in their relationship. Takumi and Hachi as a couple, as parents they give value to their kids than themselves. That what keeps them together.




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shes not stupid, shes human, more so than anyone else in NANA
and she's impulsive, which is not all that smart to be honest but it does not make her stupid
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