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Do Americans Take America for Granted
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yes which is why they become lazy, which is also the reason why America is failing. The root of their problem is success. Ironic isn't it?
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Seraph.
You've gone from saying that America has more freedoms than 'almost any other nation' to saying that America succeeds 'much easier than other nations'.
Are you trying to say that America is #1 and that Americans should be more thankful for being #1?

Also your posts are excellent examples of TL;DR
It helps to clearly list your main points in your introduction before elaborating in subsequent paragraph; also try to have only as many paragraphs as there are points.
You could limit the size of your rant *cough* erm.... Discussion...... and make it more attractive to read to the average user (at least make it more accessible)
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I cannot tell you how unbelievably easy it was for me to get into college. We have so many educational opportunities here that it’s astounding. No matter who you are you can find a college that’ll accept you and work with you. You just have to look, and not even that hard. They’re all around us! Getting from poverty to that stereotypical class in America is not a real challenge if you knuckle down and do it.

I agree that we do have many opportunities, but they aren't accessible to everyone, and there's not enough room for everyone to take them. My parents have tried several times to go to college later in their lives, but they haven't been able to because all of the spots usually get taken by younger, more promising students, and they can't afford it because 1.they're broke, 2. they can't qualify for loans, and 3.no one wants to give scholarships or grants to 40 year-olds who've spent all their lives jumping between jobs.

There are some people who are too caught up in their circumstances to be able to improve themselves. They may not have any means to look for and apply for colleges because of where they live. I have some cousins who live in a semi-rural area, and there's literally no computers that they can access to look up colleges and scholarships anywhere near where they live, there's no colleges or institutions that help people go to college anywhere near them, and of course they can't afford to move or go very far away from where they live.

Some people simply don't have any motivation to go because of their poor upbringing and educational system. No one has ever told them the benefits of getting a higher education, or ever given them a reason to try hard and succeed in school. To them school is just a place to go because the law forces them to, not a place to improve themselves and become successful, because no one has ever taught them that education can lead to success, they've only been taught that it's simply something they are required to do.


People doubt themselves. They doubt themselves and they doubt the system and they lack motivation. Once you start to find some faith and encouragement you can do ANYTHING you want in America. I don’t care who you are. A biracial child born to a single mother on welfare can become our president. A small town nobody can become a major celebrity. Bill gates started out in a garage, and now he’s one of the richest and most influential men in the world.

Oklahoma has one of the highest rates of poverty, meth abuse, illiteracy, obesity, child obesity, single parenthood, and teen pregnancy. It produces more astronauts than any other state. It gave us The Grapes of Wraths, Brad Pitt, Sam Walton, and Chuck Norris.



Those people have remarkable talents and/or motivation that allowed them to become as successful as they are. Not everyone has those things in America.


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Also your posts are excellent examples of TL;DR
It helps to clearly list your main points in your introduction before elaborating in subsequent paragraph; also try to have only as many paragraphs as there are points.
You could limit the size of your rant *cough* erm.... Discussion...... and make it more attractive to read to the average user (at least make it more accessible)


I think his posts are pretty clear, if I can understand them then anyone else can. They aren't any longer or more painful to read than posts with huge quote towers, which many of the "average users" create because they're too lazy to delete a few things. He nor anyone else should have to limit the expression of their thoughts just to satisfy the "average users," unless their thoughts are too scrambled and incoherent, which his aren't. Anyone who can't stand to read 5-8 fairly short paragraphs shouldn't be in the Extended discussion section anyway.

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Animelovexx wrote:

I'm not American but from what i've seen and heard, Americans are very ignorant.



We are ignorant there are some people who think that all Asians come from China, I have met people who think that the civil war is what caused the depression I actually met someone who said and I quote " rice came from america because we ate beans and rice during slavery."
what even more sad is that some people cant read a simple map
and this is what i have gathered over the years I have lived in many different states
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Ko-miyavi wrote:


Animelovexx wrote:

I'm not American but from what i've seen and heard, Americans are very ignorant.



We are ignorant there are some people who think that all Asians come from China, I have met people who think that the civil war is what caused the depression I actually met someone who said and I quote " rice came from america because we ate beans and rice during slavery."
what even more sad is that some people cant read a simple map
and this is what i have gathered over the years I have lived in many different states


If you go to other parts of the world, there will be just as many people who are just as ignorant. Ignorance is not a result of being American, it's a part of being human.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


Ko-miyavi wrote:


Animelovexx wrote:

I'm not American but from what i've seen and heard, Americans are very ignorant.



We are ignorant there are some people who think that all Asians come from China, I have met people who think that the civil war is what caused the depression I actually met someone who said and I quote " rice came from america because we ate beans and rice during slavery."
what even more sad is that some people cant read a simple map
and this is what i have gathered over the years I have lived in many different states


If you go to other parts of the world, there will be just as many people who are just as ignorant. Ignorance is not a result of being American, it's a part of being human.


I know that much but a high majority of americans especially the teens are like this

everywhere else in the world isnt as free as we are so we have to at least put a little effort into know about the world and their surroundings

what I was trying to say in my post is that america has no excuse to be so incredibly classless
Posted 4/25/09
Well, I daresay that this applies for every nation that lives in a country that's well-off.
But there's surely a reason as of why the USA has a reputation for being the country of unlimited possibilities.
Anyway, it's funny how most remarks in here involve the US Americans' ignorance which I consider as completely irrelevant since most nationalities haven't seen that many other countries or cultures to be considered as more conscious of how well-off they actually are.

Anyway, just wanted to say that this subject doesn't concern just the USA although I've yet to come across a country that's more consuming and wasteful than the USA.

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I completely disagree. I actually moved back to Croatia from US, because in Croatia I have more freedom, more options and far far better quality of both life and people around me. Only one statement is true: Americans do take things they have for granted.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:
I agree that we do have many opportunities, but they aren't accessible to everyone, and there's not enough room for everyone to take them. My parents have tried several times to go to college later in their lives, but they haven't been able to because all of the spots usually get taken by younger, more promising students, and they can't afford it because 1.they're broke, 2. they can't qualify for loans, and 3.no one wants to give scholarships or grants to 40 year-olds who've spent all their lives jumping between jobs.


My mother got her GED when she was thirty-five. She dropped out of high school when she got pregnant with my older brother at the age of fourteen. She’s also about to graduate college with her associates. Colleges are looking for what they call ‘non-traditional students,’ and that includes older ‘less promising,’ older students. My grandmother didn’t go to college until she was in her late forties. My step-dad is in his mid-thirties and his company is sending him through college.

You may not be able to get into Harvard, but I guarantee you that your parents could get into a local two year college no problem. Then if they maintained 2.8 GPA until the end of their sophomore year they could get into the International Honor Society of the Two Year College-Phi Theta Kappa. Once that was done they’d be eligible for up 36 million dollars of scholarship.

The resources are out there, and the information is available. Honestly, if all else fails you could literally stop at a college and ask for a handbook. Every university has then, and they can guide you step by step on how to get enrolled and start taking classes. The beautiful thing about two year colleges is that they’re cheap, relatively easy, and they offer a second chance to shine if you screwed up in High-school.

You parents could spend two years in one of these universities and then, if they performed well, get into pretty much any college they want. It just requires some hard work. Some people have to work harder than others because they are in fact victims of circumstances, but I do not believe that there is anybody here who has absolutely no opportunity…except an aborted fetus, there’s really not much you can do if you get aborted.


Those people have remarkable talents and/or motivation that allowed them to become as successful as they are. Not everyone has those things in America.


Being motivated is a choice. It’s a choice that’s sometimes hard to make, but anybody can make it. It’s harder for some to make than others. But we’re drifting off point. Do you think the average American takes America for granted?
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Ko-miyavi wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:


Ko-miyavi wrote:


Animelovexx wrote:

I'm not American but from what i've seen and heard, Americans are very ignorant.



We are ignorant there are some people who think that all Asians come from China, I have met people who think that the civil war is what caused the depression I actually met someone who said and I quote " rice came from america because we ate beans and rice during slavery."
what even more sad is that some people cant read a simple map
and this is what i have gathered over the years I have lived in many different states


If you go to other parts of the world, there will be just as many people who are just as ignorant. Ignorance is not a result of being American, it's a part of being human.


I know that much but a high majority of americans especially the teens are like this

everywhere else in the world isnt as free as we are so we have to at least put a little effort into know about the world and their surroundings

what I was trying to say in my post is that america has no excuse to be so incredibly classless


If you look at the evidence and the stats you see that America is far from the most free country.

'there ranked something like the 35 in the list wen it comes down to freedoms.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


Ko-miyavi wrote:


Animelovexx wrote:

I'm not American but from what i've seen and heard, Americans are very ignorant.



We are ignorant there are some people who think that all Asians come from China, I have met people who think that the civil war is what caused the depression I actually met someone who said and I quote " rice came from america because we ate beans and rice during slavery."
what even more sad is that some people cant read a simple map
and this is what i have gathered over the years I have lived in many different states


If you go to other parts of the world, there will be just as many people who are just as ignorant. Ignorance is not a result of being American, it's a part of being human.


'show me the stats on this one..

I have seen stats that show Americans to be on the lower end of the edgacation brackit.

At that America have to get there doctors and Scientest from other countries because America is a bit lacking it the level of edgucation they have.
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I completely disagree. I actually moved back to Croatia from US, because in Croatia I have more freedom, more options and far far better quality of both life and people around me. Only one statement is true: Americans do take things they have for granted.


I agree with you. I have been to a lot of countries... And out of them all America was the secound worst place to live wen it came to freedom..
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Ko-miyavi wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:


Ko-miyavi wrote:


Animelovexx wrote:



If you look at the evidence and the stats you see that America is far from the most free country.

'there ranked something like the 35 in the list wen it comes down to freedoms.


Compared to where exactly america is a big piece of land full of immigrants and descendants from immigrants we borrow almost everything from this unique mix of culture now when you borrow something from someone isn't it the right thing to do is to honor where it can from I feel like as an american this little fact is the most important
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


blancer wrote:

I completely disagree. I actually moved back to Croatia from US, because in Croatia I have more freedom, more options and far far better quality of both life and people around me. Only one statement is true: Americans do take things they have for granted.


I agree with you. I have been to a lot of countries... And out of them all America was the secound worst place to live wen it came to freedom..


Which country is the number one?

Btw, America had plus sides, it was not that bad, on the contrary, it was great experience. I guess its just that I like walking around obscure parts of town at night, with my friends, beer and camera without getting arrested, shot or simply stared at with disapproving looks. :D

I see that people are talking about american education here. It is bad, and it is funny because people wanted to have "less pressure on children", etc, etc. In 1950 and 1960, america still had great education, based on english model (I guess), but I dont know why they abolished it. Now Us has the best Ph. D. programs in the world, but only because they can afford lot of foreign experts, most of them are not american. Talking about unused potential.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'show me the stats on this one..

I have seen stats that show Americans to be on the lower end of the edgacation brackit.

At that America have to get there doctors and Scientest from other countries because America is a bit lacking it the level of edgucation they have.


So you think that all or most of the 3rd world countries where its borderline impossible to get clean water, much less an education, have a higher ratio of educated to uneducated people than America? I don't have any statistics, but I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that countries with very few or no schools have a less educated population than a country where a formal education is mandatory. Of course America might be below other developed countries in the world, but there are way more poor undeveloped countries than wealthy developed countries.
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