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Do Americans Take America for Granted
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Posted 4/25/09

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Cuddlebuns wrote:
I agree that we do have many opportunities, but they aren't accessible to everyone, and there's not enough room for everyone to take them. My parents have tried several times to go to college later in their lives, but they haven't been able to because all of the spots usually get taken by younger, more promising students, and they can't afford it because 1.they're broke, 2. they can't qualify for loans, and 3.no one wants to give scholarships or grants to 40 year-olds who've spent all their lives jumping between jobs.


My mother got her GED when she was thirty-five. She dropped out of high school when she got pregnant with my older brother at the age of fourteen. She’s also about to graduate college with her associates. Colleges are looking for what they call ‘non-traditional students,’ and that includes older ‘less promising,’ older students. My grandmother didn’t go to college until she was in her late forties. My step-dad is in his mid-thirties and his company is sending him through college.

You may not be able to get into Harvard, but I guarantee you that your parents could get into a local two year college no problem. Then if they maintained 2.8 GPA until the end of their sophomore year they could get into the International Honor Society of the Two Year College-Phi Theta Kappa. Once that was done they’d be eligible for up 36 million dollars of scholarship.

The resources are out there, and the information is available. Honestly, if all else fails you could literally stop at a college and ask for a handbook. Every university has then, and they can guide you step by step on how to get enrolled and start taking classes. The beautiful thing about two year colleges is that they’re cheap, relatively easy, and they offer a second chance to shine if you screwed up in High-school.

You parents could spend two years in one of these universities and then, if they performed well, get into pretty much any college they want. It just requires some hard work. Some people have to work harder than others because they are in fact victims of circumstances, but I do not believe that there is anybody here who has absolutely no opportunity…except an aborted fetus, there’s really not much you can do if you get aborted.

The problem is that there are no colleges close by that will accept them. Obviously they can't go somewhere far away, since they have a family to support, and we don't have enough money to just move near a college that would accept them. So they are currently a victim of their circumstances, but that will change once me and my sister move out and they are free to live wherever they can, and maybe then they will go to college.



Being motivated is a choice. It’s a choice that’s sometimes hard to make, but anybody can make it. It’s harder for some to make than others. But we’re drifting off point. Do you think the average American takes America for granted?


You can't make a choice if you aren't aware of it. There are people in this country who have never been told how valuable and important it is to be educated in this country.

Yes I do agree that most Americans take their freedom and opportunities for granted, but I was just pointing out that not everyone has those opportunities.
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Posted 4/26/09

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'show me the stats on this one..

I have seen stats that show Americans to be on the lower end of the edgacation brackit.

At that America have to get there doctors and Scientest from other countries because America is a bit lacking it the level of edgucation they have.


So you think that all or most of the 3rd world countries where its borderline impossible to get clean water, much less an education, have a higher ratio of educated to uneducated people than America? I don't have any statistics, but I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that countries with very few or no schools have a less educated population than a country where a formal education is mandatory. Of course America might be below other developed countries in the world, but there are way more poor undeveloped countries than wealthy developed countries.


'You know fully well we do not add in and compare poor third world countries into the list. But if you look at all that are not third world, you find America is ranked one of the lowest. In places in America the education is so bad it compares to some of the larger third world countries. '
Such as in and around the bible belt section of America. '

Am I wrong???
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
'You know fully well we do not add in and compare poor third world countries into the list. But if you look at all that are not third world, you find America is ranked one of the lowest. In places in America the education is so bad it compares to some of the larger third world countries. '
Such as in and around the bible belt section of America. '

Am I wrong???


That depends entirely on your source. Some statistics say that America is on the top ten list of most literate nations. Other statistics say that America is not even on the top fifty list of most literate nations. Which one is reliable? Well, I can’t honestly tell you. It’s very difficult to worm your way through sources and check to see if there’s any form of bias unless you have a lot of resources at your disposal.

As far as how informed people are on foreign affairs I don’t think we can compare America to the UK or other members of the European Union because our journalistic approaches vary. America uses the ‘objectivity,’ approach. In other words, our journalists only publish facts from generally reliable sources. Europeans take another approach. Instead of simply publishing fact they encourage journalists to imbue their work with opinion.

Both approaches have some ups and downs. Americans typically have more information immediately available to them concerning foreign nations. However, since the media is only interested in bombarding us with facts most Americans don’t understand these facts and quickly forget them. The

European system doesn’t provide as much information, but it helps it does provide a better understanding of that information. On the flip side, because the European system is so opinion oriented it’s sometimes hard to know which source is more reliable-much like that statistics of America’s literacy.

Both approaches are far from perfect. Consider the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq issue from way back when people supported the war. Americans were convinced that Iraq had WMDs. Our news told us they did. What we didn’t realize is that all of our news stations were relying on the same source-George Bush. The British Government also claimed that there were WMDs in Iraq. Most British media also agreed, but several British News Papers didn’t. They challenged the claim and turned out to be right.

On the flip side America provides more balanced coverage of the conflict in Israel than England. BBC was actually called out for being painfully biased against Israel on public television. Reuters, another major British news-source, was also exposed of having released a plethora of fake photos against Israel. Now, in America we’ve seen some bias against Israel too. CNN wrongly announced that Israel started the war. New York Times received a fake photo from (from Reuters, actually) and published it. The photo was edited to show Israel troops committing war crimes.

However, while CNN and the New York Times are clearly anti-Israel, Fox News is clearly the exact opposite.
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Posted 4/26/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
'You know fully well we do not add in and compare poor third world countries into the list.


I actually didn't know that, so that was my fault.
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i think the people of america do not realize how much freedom they actually have. we do take our freedom for granted.
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