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LOL yup I know that but the original character design ish by CLAMP... ok whatever I'm sick of this. FINAL WORDS: WANT THIRD SEASON

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LOL yup I know that but the original character design ish by CLAMP... ok whatever I'm sick of this. FINAL WORDS: WANT THIRD SEASON



how can dar be if lelouch died...
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how can dar be if lelouch died...


He may have died.. maybe not. It all depends on the creators decision. And even if he did die, the third season could still continue
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how can dar be if lelouch died...



He may have died.. maybe not. It all depends on the creators decision. And even if he did die, the third season could still continue


ya but that just totally ruins like 70% of the code geass fan's interpretation of code geass. besides, everyone will know he just wants to make more money then... it totally ruins the story... the only ppl who will like the continuation would be rabid fangirls/boys.
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So your against Code Geass continuing, huh?

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So your against Code Geass continuing, huh?



yup haha. why which side r u on???
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i hope code geass continues i love that sssssssshhhooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww likkk it would b heeelllla craappyy if they didnt continue the shoowww
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So your against Code Geass continuing, huh?



yup haha. why which side r u on???

LOL If there is a third season I want Lelouch too be in it.... if there isn't I'm against it. And if I don't get my way, I'll make do with Rewatching xD

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So your against Code Geass continuing, huh?



yup haha. why which side r u on???

LOL If there is a third season I want Lelouch too be in it.... if there isn't I'm against it. And if I don't get my way, I'll make do with Rewatching xD



to be truthful, i never thought of it that way. haha thanks ill do it your way from now on =^_^=
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to be truthful, i never thought of it that way. haha thanks ill do it your way from now on =^_^=

LOL Uh your welcom, I guess xD

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In the third season i want Euphemia alive and Lelouch dead.

Or to be a little longer winded, I want Euphemia (and Shirley and Milly and Rivalez, all of the good and innocent characters) alive and Lelouch (and Charles, and Kallen, and CC, and Rollo, and Cornelia, and Schneitzel, and Kaguya, and Tianzii, and Ogri, and Villeta, and Jeremiah, and Toudah, and Nunnally, etc. etc. etc. -- all of the evil characters) dead (or in some cases defeated,disgraced, and imprisoned will due) and a bunch of new characters gradually replacing them who are mostly good so that there is a fifty-fifty good to evil ratio (or any other reasonable one) instead of the absurdly high proportion of evil characters there was in the original cast.
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In the third season i want Euphemia alive and Lelouch dead.

Or to be a little longer winded, I want Euphemia (and Shirley and Milly and Rivalez, all of the good and innocent characters) alive and Lelouch (and Charles, and Kallen, and CC, and Rollo, and Cornelia, and Schneitzel, and Kaguya, and Tianzii, and Ogri, and Villeta, and Jeremiah, and Toudah, and Nunnally, etc. etc. etc. -- all of the evil characters) dead (or in some cases defeated,disgraced, and imprisoned will due) and a bunch of new characters gradually replacing them who are mostly good so that there is a fifty-fifty good to evil ratio (or any other reasonable one) instead of the absurdly high proportion of evil characters there was in the original cast.


You must have an interesting concept of evil. I would assume it would automatically classify anyone that participates in a military action, even if they never take a life with their own action (i.e., Kaguya) as evil.

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In the third season i want Euphemia alive and Lelouch dead.

Or to be a little longer winded, I want Euphemia (and Shirley and Milly and Rivalez, all of the good and innocent characters) alive and Lelouch (and Charles, and Kallen, and CC, and Rollo, and Cornelia, and Schneitzel, and Kaguya, and Tianzii, and Ogri, and Villeta, and Jeremiah, and Toudah, and Nunnally, etc. etc. etc. -- all of the evil characters) dead (or in some cases defeated,disgraced, and imprisoned will do) and a bunch of new characters gradually replacing them who are mostly good so that there is a fifty-fifty good to evil ratio (or any other reasonable one) instead of the absurdly high proportion of evil characters there was in the original cast.


You must have an interesting concept of evil. I would assume it would automatically classify anyone that participates in a military action, even if they never take a life with their own action (i.e., Kaguya) as evil.



Kaguya was a nominal member of the leadership of the Kyota Group, which in the first season supported a lot of rebel, guerrillas, and terrorist groups seeking the independence of Japan. Unless you have evidence that Kaguya consistently opposed giving any funds and support to any of the terrorist groups she would have been just as guilty of all the terrorist murders as any of the terrorists themselves.

And wasn't Kaguya plotting to restore the independence of Japan? If Japan was an independent state in a world full of other independent states, the lives of many Japanese and non-Japanese would be lost in wars between Japan and other independent countries. After a few thousand years the total number of Japanese killed in wars would exceed the total population of Japan in 2017, which was the maximum number of Japanese people that the geass command would possibly have compelled Euphemia to kill. And of course Japanese patriots would have hoped that Japan would be independent for much longer than that, and thus that it would kill many more Japanese in wars with other nations. Kaguya and other Japanese patriots didn't realize that they were seeking to slaughter countless thousands and millions and billions of Japanese in future ages, because they were too intellectually lazy to imagine what would result from achieving their desired goal.

Tianzi had a chance to unite two-thirds of the human race with her marriage to the Britannian crown prince, but she seems to have cared more for her own personal happiness than saving the lives of countless millions and billions of people who would be killed in future wars if Britannia and China were not united.

If Tianzi was a true empress she would have wanted to conquer and annex more and more countries to end all possibility that they would ever be able to make war on China and other lands ruled by China. Instead she was persuaded by Kaguya to help in the invasion of Japan with the goal of liberating it from Britannia. I saying that trying to liberate a nation so that it may enslave its people by making them die in future wars is a policy that makes Tianzi a disgrace to all emperors and empresses. She should have tried to conquer and annex Japan to the Chinese Empire. (incidentally, up to about 700 AD the Japanese Great kings claimed to be subordinate to the Chinese Emperors, so Tianzi could have considered Japan a rebel province)

And even if Tizani thought that it would be good for China to free Japan from Britannian control and make Brittannia less able to attack and invade China, Tianzi had and rejected a much better option to prevent Britannian attacks and invasions. She could have gone though with the marriage and peacefully united China and Britannia and greatly reduced the probability of any future Britannian attacks on China.

Tianzi may have never shot or killed anyone, but she was a warlord like Abraham Lincoln, or Jefferson Davis, or Hitler, or Churchill, or Stalin, or Roosevelt, or Mussolini and like them killed thousands or millions with her policies.

So even those two nice, cute, adorable, girls were guilty of mass murder in so far as they sometimes choose actions which caused thousands, or millions, or billions more deaths than other policies which they could have chosen. I think that each of them has chosen to commit at least one evil deed and thus fits the definition of an evil person as one who has committed at least one evil deed.

And I could go on and on about the evil choices of all the older and less adorable characters.
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TheAncientOne wrote:


infinitycubed wrote:

In the third season i want Euphemia alive and Lelouch dead.

Or to be a little longer winded, I want Euphemia (and Shirley and Milly and Rivalez, all of the good and innocent characters) alive and Lelouch (and Charles, and Kallen, and CC, and Rollo, and Cornelia, and Schneitzel, and Kaguya, and Tianzii, and Ogri, and Villeta, and Jeremiah, and Toudah, and Nunnally, etc. etc. etc. -- all of the evil characters) dead (or in some cases defeated,disgraced, and imprisoned will do) and a bunch of new characters gradually replacing them who are mostly good so that there is a fifty-fifty good to evil ratio (or any other reasonable one) instead of the absurdly high proportion of evil characters there was in the original cast.


You must have an interesting concept of evil. I would assume it would automatically classify anyone that participates in a military action, even if they never take a life with their own action (i.e., Kaguya) as evil.



Kaguya was a nominal member of the leadership of the Kyota Group, which in the first season supported a lot of rebel, guerrillas, and terrorist groups seeking the independence of Japan. Unless you have evidence that Kaguya consistently opposed giving any funds and support to any of the terrorist groups she would have been just as guilty of all the terrorist murders as any of the terrorists themselves.

And wasn't Kaguya plotting to restore the independence of Japan? If Japan was an independent state in a world full of other independent states, the lives of many Japanese and non-Japanese would be lost in wars between Japan and other independent countries. After a few thousand years the total number of Japanese killed in wars would exceed the total population of Japan in 2017, which was the maximum number of Japanese people that the geass command would possibly have compelled Euphemia to kill. And of course Japanese patriots would have hoped that Japan would be independent for much longer than that, and thus that it would kill many more Japanese in wars with other nations. Kaguya and other Japanese patriots didn't realize that they were seeking to slaughter countless thousands and millions and billions of Japanese in future ages, because they were too intellectually lazy to imagine what would result from achieving their desired goal.

Tianzi had a chance to unite two-thirds of the human race with her marriage to the Britannian crown prince, but she seems to have cared more for her own personal happiness than saving the lives of countless millions and billions of people who would be killed in future wars if Britannia and China were not united.

If Tianzi was a true empress she would have wanted to conquer and annex more and more countries to end all possibility that they would ever be able to make war on China and other lands ruled by China. Instead she was persuaded by Kaguya to help in the invasion of Japan with the goal of liberating it from Britannia. I saying that trying to liberate a nation so that it may enslave its people by making them die in future wars is a policy that makes Tianzi a disgrace to all emperors and empresses. She should have tried to conquer and annex Japan to the Chinese Empire. (incidentally, up to about 700 AD the Japanese Great kings claimed to be subordinate to the Chinese Emperors, so Tianzi could have considered Japan a rebel province)

And even if Tizani thought that it would be good for China to free Japan from Britannian control and make Brittannia less able to attack and invade China, Tianzi had and rejected a much better option to prevent Britannian attacks and invasions. She could have gone though with the marriage and peacefully united China and Britannia and greatly reduced the probability of any future Britannian attacks on China.

Tianzi may have never shot or killed anyone, but she was a warlord like Abraham Lincoln, or Jefferson Davis, or Hitler, or Churchill, or Stalin, or Roosevelt, or Mussolini and like them killed thousands or millions with her policies.

So even those two nice, cute, adorable, girls were guilty of mass murder in so far as they sometimes choose actions which caused thousands, or millions, or billions more t deaths than other policies which they could have chosen. I think that each of them has chosen to commit at least one evil deed and thus fits the definition of an evil person as one who has committed at least one evil deed.

And I could go on and on about the evil choices of all the older and less adorable characters.


Thanks for clarifying. You do have an interesting concept of evil. Apparently anyone that raises a weapon to defend their freedom or indepedence fits the bill. I have to think if you were alive during the time before WWII, what (in)action would you have encouraged?

If you had been in Churchill's position, what would you have done? Surrendered your country? The only evil in the world isn't killing, but certainly the Germans did plenty of that, unless you think the Holocaust was fiction.

At this point, I am curious what country you are from. Regardless of how neutral and peaceful it may be in the modern era, I have little doubt it had "evil men" by your definition in action at its founding.

As to your statement:
"After a few thousand years the total number of Japanese killed in wars would exceed the total population of Japan in 2017, ..."

That is some interesting logic. Apparently genocide is less evil in your eyes than a larger number of people dying over a longer period of time. Second, I find it difficult to believe that war would still be the norm between large nations after "a few thousand years". You presume that large scale wars would be the norm for all that period of time, not only a pessimistic view, but one which modern history argues against for developed nations going forward. As an example, no two countries equipped with a nuclear arsenal have fought a direct war with one another, for reasons that should be obvious.


BTW, Euphemia sent in Suzaku to rescue her sister. I don't recall if he actually killed anyone in that battle, but it didn't appear to be for lack of trying. By you own definition, doesn't that make her evil? (Unless of course, you believe only the result counts, not the intent).

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infinitycubed wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:


infinitycubed wrote:

In the third season i want Euphemia alive and Lelouch dead.

Or to be a little longer winded, I want Euphemia (and Shirley and Milly and Rivalez, all of the good and innocent characters) alive and Lelouch (and Charles, and Kallen, and CC, and Rollo, and Cornelia, and Schneitzel, and Kaguya, and Tianzii, and Ogri, and Villeta, and Jeremiah, and Toudah, and Nunnally, etc. etc. etc. -- all of the evil characters) dead (or in some cases defeated,disgraced, and imprisoned will do) and a bunch of new characters gradually replacing them who are mostly good so that there is a fifty-fifty good to evil ratio (or any other reasonable one) instead of the absurdly high proportion of evil characters there was in the original cast.


You must have an interesting concept of evil. I would assume it would automatically classify anyone that participates in a military action, even if they never take a life with their own action (i.e., Kaguya) as evil.



Kaguya was a nominal member of the leadership of the Kyota Group, which in the first season supported a lot of rebel, guerrillas, and terrorist groups seeking the independence of Japan. Unless you have evidence that Kaguya consistently opposed giving any funds and support to any of the terrorist groups she would have been just as guilty of all the terrorist murders as any of the terrorists themselves.

And wasn't Kaguya plotting to restore the independence of Japan? If Japan was an independent state in a world full of other independent states, the lives of many Japanese and non-Japanese would be lost in wars between Japan and other independent countries. After a few thousand years the total number of Japanese killed in wars would exceed the total population of Japan in 2017, which was the maximum number of Japanese people that the geass command would possibly have compelled Euphemia to kill. And of course Japanese patriots would have hoped that Japan would be independent for much longer than that, and thus that it would kill many more Japanese in wars with other nations. Kaguya and other Japanese patriots didn't realize that they were seeking to slaughter countless thousands and millions and billions of Japanese in future ages, because they were too intellectually lazy to imagine what would result from achieving their desired goal.

Tianzi had a chance to unite two-thirds of the human race with her marriage to the Britannian crown prince, but she seems to have cared more for her own personal happiness than saving the lives of countless millions and billions of people who would be killed in future wars if Britannia and China were not united.

If Tianzi was a true empress she would have wanted to conquer and annex more and more countries to end all possibility that they would ever be able to make war on China and other lands ruled by China. Instead she was persuaded by Kaguya to help in the invasion of Japan with the goal of liberating it from Britannia. I saying that trying to liberate a nation so that it may enslave its people by making them die in future wars is a policy that makes Tianzi a disgrace to all emperors and empresses. She should have tried to conquer and annex Japan to the Chinese Empire. (incidentally, up to about 700 AD the Japanese Great kings claimed to be subordinate to the Chinese Emperors, so Tianzi could have considered Japan a rebel province)

And even if Tizani thought that it would be good for China to free Japan from Britannian control and make Brittannia less able to attack and invade China, Tianzi had and rejected a much better option to prevent Britannian attacks and invasions. She could have gone though with the marriage and peacefully united China and Britannia and greatly reduced the probability of any future Britannian attacks on China.

Tianzi may have never shot or killed anyone, but she was a warlord like Abraham Lincoln, or Jefferson Davis, or Hitler, or Churchill, or Stalin, or Roosevelt, or Mussolini and like them killed thousands or millions with her policies.

So even those two nice, cute, adorable, girls were guilty of mass murder in so far as they sometimes choose actions which caused thousands, or millions, or billions more t deaths than other policies which they could have chosen. I think that each of them has chosen to commit at least one evil deed and thus fits the definition of an evil person as one who has committed at least one evil deed.

And I could go on and on about the evil choices of all the older and less adorable characters.


Thanks for clarifying. You do have an interesting concept of evil. Apparently anyone that raises a weapon to defend their freedom or indepedence fits the bill. I have to think if you were alive during the time before WWII, what (in)action would you have encouraged?

If you had been in Churchill's position, what would you have done? Surrendered your country? The only evil in the world isn't killing, but certainly the Germans did plenty of that, unless you think the Holocaust was fiction.

At this point, I am curious what country you are from. Regardless of how neutral and peaceful it may be in the modern era, I have little doubt it had "evil men" by your definition in action at its founding.

As to your statement:
"After a few thousand years the total number of Japanese killed in wars would exceed the total population of Japan in 2017, ..."

That is some interesting logic. Apparently genocide is less evil in your eyes than a larger number of people dying over a longer period of time. Second, I find it difficult to believe that war would still be the norm between large nations after "a few thousand years". You presume that large scale wars would be the norm for all that period of time, not only a pessimistic view, but one which modern history argues against for developed nations going forward. As an example, no two countries equipped with a nuclear arsenal have fought a direct war with one another, for reasons that should be obvious.


BTW, Euphemia sent in Suzaku to rescue her sister. I don't recall if he actually killed anyone in that battle, but it didn't appear to be for lack of trying. By you own definition, doesn't that make her evil? (Unless of course, you believe only the result counts, not the intent).



1) Yes, anyone who kills to defend their freedom or independence is almost as evil as someone who kills to take away someone's freedom or independence. In both cases they are committing murder to change or prevent or keep something, committing a greater evil in preference to accepting or tolerating what can at most be considered a lesser evil.

And there is a big difference between freedom and independence. Freedom is being a citizen with full rights instead of a slave or serf. It is more free to be a first class citizen than a second, third, or fourth class citizen .

Independence belongs to governments. It includes the power to make war, to endanger the lives of their own citizens and subjects and those of other sovereign governments. Living in an independent nation surrounded by other independent nations puts a person in danger, a danger which he could avoid if he lived in an world with one government which ruled everyone and everywhere and war was no longer possible. A person's country or nation is a terrible curse upon him, which he needs to get rid of.

If I was alive in the time before World War II, I would have been a completely different person, of course, so I don't know what I would advise anyone. If I was a time traveler I would have access to all kinds of fantastically advanced technology which I could take into the past with me and use to assassinate or brainwash leaders and entire armies and governments to change history starting centuries before World War II.

2) I have a citizen of the U.S.A., but obviously not a completely loyal one. And I think that the "Foundering Fathers" were great leaders who often did much good, but have to be counted as evil because of creating a new nation. By creating a new independent country they have become guilty of all the war crimes ever committed in wars between that nation and other nations. That includes all the death and destruction in all the alternate universes in which World war III has occurred or will occur, with hundreds of millions being slaughtered in each of them.

People often criticize scientists who invent atomic bombs, or missiles, or other weapons, for creating such deadly things which can be used to kill so many people. But the most deadly things in the world are invented by political leaders, not scientists. They are independent governments, the deadliest things ever created by man. Remember, weapons don't kill people, independent nations use weapons to kill people.

3) You claim that Churchill had only two choices, to fight exactly as he fought in our timeline, which included raining death from the sky upon German Cities, or to surrender his country to be annexed by Germany. But Churchill had many options of peace and war to choose from, some of which would have resulted in more short term and long term deaths, some in fewer. Britain could have made peace with Germany without being occupied, let alone annexed. And Britain could have made peace with Germany and later invaded Western Europe with American help to liberate Western Europe when and if Germany seemed about to be crushed by Russia. Or Britain could have fought without resorting to using weapons of mass destruction.

4) Of course genocide is less evil than killing a greater number of people. Genocide is less evil than killing even a single person, because it is impossible to commit genocide. Genocide is a senseless concept. You can't kill something which doesn't exist. Nationalities and ethic groups and religious groups and social classes don't exist. They are imaginary concepts used to categorize groups of people who have or are believed to have things in common., and things which make them different from other people. But the most important thing about people is that they all desperately need to not be killed.

Nobody can commit genocide, but people who falsely believe that nationalities and ethic groups exist and that genocide is possible can kill thousands or millions of real people in their senseless efforts to destroy that which does not exist. And each of those real people thus senselessly wasted is infinitely more important than any of the imaginary concepts such as nationalities and ethic groups that people have ever believed in.

So if I had a choice between killing 1,000,000 people and 1,000,001 people I would chose killing the lesser number of people, even if that meant exterminating three small ethnic groups instead of two small ethnic groups, because the one life that would be saved would be something real, and thus worth more than the continuation of all the ethic groups that were, are, or will be.

And you can hope that if current trends continue war will soon be a thing of the past, but why count on independent nations reforming and giving up their past evil ways? If a world government is formed the leaders can be as eager to fight wars as anyone in the past was, but they will be unable to lead the world into war since there won't be any other governments to fight against.

We may hope that if current trends continue war will soon be obsolete, but that might not happen. That is not a sure thing. For example, perhaps an atomic war will kill hundreds of millions of people and reduce the level of civilization. Then wars might continue to be fought at an ancient or medieval technological level for countless thousands or millions of years.

5) In the first episode Suzaku was ordered to kill Lelouch, refused, and was shot by his officer but somehow survived. In "The Princess and the Witch" I believe that Euphemia asked Suzaku to fight without killing or to save everyone, or something like that, and he promised to do so. In "Battle of Narita" Lloyd asked why Suzaku became a soldier if he didn't want to kill and Suzaku said he became a soldier to save everyone. I thus believe that Suzaku did not kill anyone between killing his father and going after Lelouch in episode 23. And Euphemia would believe that he would keep his promise and try to rescue Cornelia without killing anyone. I believe that sending in a warrior who has promised you not to kill anyone counts as an extremely nonviolent military move.

In Episode 22 Euphemia said that she could not kill but perhaps she only meant killing people personally. Perhaps like many military officers she would leave the killing of enemies to others and merely direct military operations.
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