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Here is the silent story of how Israel was created. This link gives a great historical account of the British mandate, the creation of the PLO, and about the creation of Gaza and the West Bank. http://masada2000.org/historical.html. Please read this history article (before you respond please).

I'll point some stuff out myself and I'll start with the the British Mandate.


The region of Palestine was more then just modern day Israel. The original plan was to portion off 3/4 of the land for Arabs and call the nation Trans-Jordan because it was the other side of the Jordan river. The remaining 1/4 of the land was to be allocated to Jews who had already been settling there sense 1880 and flocking there during the holocaust. The West Bank and Israel were commonly called Judea and Samaria. Judea and Samaria had been their names sense ancient times and were only changes recently by the nation of Trans-Jordan. Why is the West Bank called the West Bank? The answer is that Jordanians and the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza are ethnically and historically identical to Jordanians. Afterall, Jordan was created for Arab-Palestinians who were living in the region of the British Mandate. Trans-Jordan changed its name to Jordan because it no longer viewed itself as existing east of the Jordan River. the West Bank is called the West Bank because it is West of the Jordan river in relation to Trans-Jordan. Here is a quote from the article I have asked everyone to read before responding.

The end result of the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence was the creation of a Jewish State slightly larger than that which was proposed by the 1947 United Nations Resolution 181. What remained of that almost-created second Arab Palestinian State was gobbled up by (1) Egypt (occupying the Gaza Strip) and by (2) Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (a.k.a. the "West Bank" of the Jordan River) and Jerusalem. In the next year (1950) Trans-Jordan formally merged this West Bank territory into itself and granted all those "Palestinian" Arabs living there Jordanian citizenship. Since Trans-Jordan was then no longer confined to one side of the Jordan River, it renamed itself simply "Jordan." In the final analysis, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine... called Jordan but in reality their ARAB "Palestinian state! But that was still not 100% and thus the conflict between Arab and Jew for "Palestine" would continue through four more wars and continuous Arab terrorist attacks upon the Israeli citizenry.
. By the way, here is an image of the Jordanian flag And now here is the image of the Palestinian flag. They are basically identical. A two state solution has already been reached, and it was achieved with the creation of Jordan and Israel. The Israelis accepted this when it was done, but the Arabs who were to later rename themselves "Palestinians" rejected it and sought to destroy Israel and make the whole region an Arab state. The term "Palestinian" is relatively new, and it is propaganda used against the existence of Israel. Here is an article about the creation of the Palestinian people http://www.masada2000.org/palestine-myth.html. The PLO was created in 1964, and within their charter they call for the complete destruction of Israel.

From the beginning a peaceful solution had been reached by the UN between Israel and Jordan. One day after the creation of Israel by the UN, seven Arab armies tried to destroy Israel. Israel has always been the one to engage in peace, but from the very beginning the Arabs have wanted nothing less then their complete destruction. Please read the links posted before you respond, and free yourself from Arab propaganda.
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cool im still learning about Israel since people keep insulting it...i just wanna see why the people there are being scolded
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Everyone should fight for it, an all out world brawl for the holy land.
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thanks to you, I do not know why I read it here, though I know all about it
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That’s a very good outline but I to be fair to both sides of the debate on rather or not Israel is an aggressive nation and has the right to exist you have to go into greater depth. Palestine had belonged to the British nation since WWI. It was given to them as a temporary mandate by the League of Nations. Prior to that the area had been under the control of the Turks and the Ottoman Empire. However, it had been settled quite densely by the Arabs.

The idea that these people rebuked the Jews the instant they appeared is far from the truth. The Jews were welcomed by the Arabs, and they prospered in the Arab world-especially Palestine. They cleared swamps and built cities, created thriving communities and co-existed peacefully with the Palestinian Arabs.

However, when WWII came around a massive influx of Jews rushed to the allied territory that they’d been told was vacant. They were educated to think that it was barren, empty. Mark Twain had described it as an open wasteland and expressed his chagrin at how he wasn’t able to see any indigenous people until he reached Jerusalem. In reality, Jews and Arabs had been living there for a long time. It just happened that instead of being evenly scattered their populations were concentrated in a series of cities.

The Jews who arrived at Palestine thought they’d found a “land without people for a people without land,” but they were very wrong. The legal immigrants were rapidly buying land and taking jobs from the older denizens. This caused riots of Arabs, and so the British sealed their borders only allowing a very small number of Jews to enter at a time.

The problem was that such a sudden change was a shock to the Jews. They’d come across Europe to arrive at the promised land and were now being sent back? Sent back to what, they had nothing! So, they immigrated illegal and infuriated the locals.

As a result Jewish self defense groups began to form-and like any such group, evolved into violent terrorist gangs. They began slaughtering Arabs in the streets. The Arabs retaliated in kind, but lacked the unity. The Jews had adopted (under Zionism,) a cultural identity that united them. The Arabs did not identify themselves as members of a Palestinian people-they were just Aras, each from their respective background. They were unable to organize, unable to unite, and unable to fight the Jews.

More terrorist groups began to form amongst the Jews, forcing Arabs out of their homes. These were individual mobs, mind you, and do not reflect the Jewish people as a whole. The Arabs, however, had no way to know this. What happened next was racism from both sides, chaos, and violence.

The British government did what it always has. Screwed the people it conquered the instant they were no longer benefiting the homeland and bailed out. They gave the mandate over to the United Nations to divide amongst the varying denizens.

Most of the mandate was given over to the Arabs. Palestine, however, was split into two roughly equal halves with the Jews getting slightly more land than the Arabs in the area. This outraged the Arabs because they’d been there longer, they were the majority, and the Jews got the better land by far.

As a result the Arab League, which was still under the impression that the Stern Gang and similar groups were run by the Jewish people and not just individual groups, united in a campaign to eradicate the Jews. They told the Arabs in Palestine to leave and return to the nations from which they had come. By this time, however, the Palestinians had developed a regional brogue and an attachment to their homes. 70% of them left on the command of the Arabs, but the remaining 30% refused.

Seeing an oncoming war Israel, which was still in its first year of existence, forced the Palestinians that refused to leave of their own accord out by force. They raided homes and executed civilians. When the Arab nations arrive Israel hardly had an organized army, much less trained soldiers. The Arabs also hired British soldiers as mercenaries, and it’s a little known fact that the United Kingdom was supporting the Arabs. They refused to supply Israel with weapons, instead doing just that with the Arabs, and arrested hundreds of military-age Jews who were attempting to migrate to the area to prevent them from taking place in the battle. They made no attempt to restrain English Arabs who wanted to join the fight or simply return home.

Israel did the unthinkable. They turned to the Stern Gang and similar criminal/terrorist organizations and drafted them into their military. With the help of these untrained but highly experiences terrorist militants the Jews were able to devastated the Arab nations and their flatly undetermined British supporters.

They reclaimed most of the land they’d lost, took over West Bank and Gaza, and force the Arabs back at great loss of Jewish life.

Today the Jews run West bank in an apartheid like system, though they’ve returned the wasteland of Gaza valuable only for its over-sea trade routes and air space-both of which Israel maintains control of.

This being said if the Arabs had accepted the original two-state plan they would be celebrating their 6 decade as a sovreign nation right now.

Interesting videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKXo8aMWe4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FspfOI_YRU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHmBiATUono&feature=related
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Dig lol are u trying to do some documentary here

crunchyroll is about anime world....and manga

dont bring some weird things about.............wat u heard is one side story
or saw may be the half piece of apple pie ........u need to look at whole APPLE pie

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Posted 5/15/09 , edited 5/15/09

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That sounds about right. Makes sense too.

Right now tho, it looks like Israel is going to turn Iran into a parking lot lol, Once Iran launches their first attack against Israel that is. I seriously doubt Israel is stupid enough to launch the first attack.
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That’s a very good outline but I to be fair to both sides of the debate on rather or not Israel is an aggressive nation and has the right to exist you have to go into greater depth. Palestine had belonged to the British nation since WWI. It was given to them as a temporary mandate by the League of Nations. Prior to that the area had been under the control of the Turks and the Ottoman Empire. However, it had been settled quite densely by the Arabs.

The idea that these people rebuked the Jews the instant they appeared is far from the truth. The Jews were welcomed by the Arabs, and they prospered in the Arab world-especially Palestine. They cleared swamps and built cities, created thriving communities and co-existed peacefully with the Palestinian Arabs.

However, when WWII came around a massive influx of Jews rushed to the allied territory that they’d been told was vacant. They were educated to think that it was barren, empty. Mark Twain had described it as an open wasteland and expressed his chagrin at how he wasn’t able to see any indigenous people until he reached Jerusalem. In reality, Jews and Arabs had been living there for a long time. It just happened that instead of being evenly scattered their populations were concentrated in a series of cities.

The Jews who arrived at Palestine thought they’d found a “land without people for a people without land,” but they were very wrong. The legal immigrants were rapidly buying land and taking jobs from the older denizens. This caused riots of Arabs, and so the British sealed their borders only allowing a very small number of Jews to enter at a time.

The problem was that such a sudden change was a shock to the Jews. They’d come across Europe to arrive at the promised land and were now being sent back? Sent back to what, they had nothing! So, they immigrated illegal and infuriated the locals.

As a result Jewish self defense groups began to form-and like any such group, evolved into violent terrorist gangs. They began slaughtering Arabs in the streets. The Arabs retaliated in kind, but lacked the unity. The Jews had adopted (under Zionism,) a cultural identity that united them. The Arabs did not identify themselves as members of a Palestinian people-they were just Aras, each from their respective background. They were unable to organize, unable to unite, and unable to fight the Jews.

More terrorist groups began to form amongst the Jews, forcing Arabs out of their homes. These were individual mobs, mind you, and do not reflect the Jewish people as a whole. The Arabs, however, had no way to know this. What happened next was racism from both sides, chaos, and violence.

The British government did what it always has. Screwed the people it conquered the instant they were no longer benefiting the homeland and bailed out. They gave the mandate over to the United Nations to divide amongst the varying denizens.

Most of the mandate was given over to the Arabs. Palestine, however, was split into two roughly equal halves with the Jews getting slightly more land than the Arabs in the area. This outraged the Arabs because they’d been there longer, they were the majority, and the Jews got the better land by far.

As a result the Arab League, which was still under the impression that the Stern Gang and similar groups were run by the Jewish people and not just individual groups, united in a campaign to eradicate the Jews. They told the Arabs in Palestine to leave and return to the nations from which they had come. By this time, however, the Palestinians had developed a regional brogue and an attachment to their homes. 70% of them left on the command of the Arabs, but the remaining 30% refused.

Seeing an oncoming war Israel, which was still in its first year of existence, forced the Palestinians that refused to leave of their own accord out by force. They raided homes and executed civilians. When the Arab nations arrive Israel hardly had an organized army, much less trained soldiers. The Arabs also hired British soldiers as mercenaries, and it’s a little known fact that the United Kingdom was supporting the Arabs. They refused to supply Israel with weapons, instead doing just that with the Arabs, and arrested hundreds of military-age Jews who were attempting to migrate to the area to prevent them from taking place in the battle. They made no attempt to restrain English Arabs who wanted to join the fight or simply return home.

Israel did the unthinkable. They turned to the Stern Gang and similar criminal/terrorist organizations and drafted them into their military. With the help of these untrained but highly experiences terrorist militants the Jews were able to devastated the Arab nations and their flatly undetermined British supporters.

They reclaimed most of the land they’d lost, took over West Bank and Gaza, and force the Arabs back at great loss of Jewish life.

Today the Jews run West bank in an apartheid like system, though they’ve returned the wasteland of Gaza valuable only for its over-sea trade routes and air space-both of which Israel maintains control of.

This being said if the Arabs had accepted the original two-state plan they would be celebrating their 6 decade as a sovreign nation right now.

Interesting videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKXo8aMWe4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FspfOI_YRU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHmBiATUono&feature=related


I guess I am going to be the one to say it as blunt as it maybe, no likes or cares for the Jewish community at all PERIOD in the middle east. The only reason the united states does is because of religious reasons, being god's chosen people and so on and think they can do no wrong at all, just like the united states when it comes to torturing people "water boarding". Well that's my point of view on it anyways but oh well x3
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I guess I am going to be the one to say it as blunt as it maybe, no likes or cares for the Jewish community at all PERIOD in the middle east. The only reason the united states does is because of religious reasons, being god's chosen people and so on and think they can do no wrong at all, just like the united states when it comes to torturing people "water boarding". Well that's my point of view on it anyways but oh well x3


Actually, religion has nothing to do with the United States supporting Israel. There are plenty of largely Christian nations that don’t support Israel. The United States government back up Israel because we gain economically. Israel gave us cell phones, answering machines, instant messenger technology, and the technological basis for AOL. It also pioneers in the medical field and produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation. Plus, as an ally in the Middle East, it helps us deal with nations like Iran and Afghanistan.

The people support it because the Jews have the oldest ancestral claims to the territory. They don’t realize where the Arabs are coming from, or that the Palestinians have an ancestral claim to the territory too. This being said, I’m highly educated on the topic and I still support Israel’s right to exist. I just wish they’d get out of West Bank and that Hamas would be destroyed so there can be peace.
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
I guess I am going to be the one to say it as blunt as it maybe, no likes or cares for the Jewish community at all PERIOD in the middle east. The only reason the united states does is because of religious reasons, being god's chosen people and so on and think they can do no wrong at all, just like the united states when it comes to torturing people "water boarding". Well that's my point of view on it anyways but oh well x3


Actually, religion has nothing to do with the United States supporting Israel. There are plenty of largely Christian nations that don’t support Israel. The United States government back up Israel because we gain economically. Israel gave us cell phones, answering machines, instant messenger technology, and the technological basis for AOL. It also pioneers in the medical field and produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation. Plus, as an ally in the Middle East, it helps us deal with nations like Iran and Afghanistan.

The people support it because the Jews have the oldest ancestral claims to the territory. They don’t realize where the Arabs are coming from, or that the Palestinians have an ancestral claim to the territory too. This being said, I’m highly educated on the topic and I still support Israel’s right to exist. I just wish they’d get out of West Bank and that Hamas would be destroyed so there can be peace.


well now, many Americans disagree with their own country supporting Israel. After what they done to gaza.
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SeraphAlford wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
I guess I am going to be the one to say it as blunt as it maybe, no likes or cares for the Jewish community at all PERIOD in the middle east. The only reason the united states does is because of religious reasons, being god's chosen people and so on and think they can do no wrong at all, just like the united states when it comes to torturing people "water boarding". Well that's my point of view on it anyways but oh well x3


Actually, religion has nothing to do with the United States supporting Israel. There are plenty of largely Christian nations that don’t support Israel. The United States government back up Israel because we gain economically. Israel gave us cell phones, answering machines, instant messenger technology, and the technological basis for AOL. It also pioneers in the medical field and produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation. Plus, as an ally in the Middle East, it helps us deal with nations like Iran and Afghanistan.

The people support it because the Jews have the oldest ancestral claims to the territory. They don’t realize where the Arabs are coming from, or that the Palestinians have an ancestral claim to the territory too. This being said, I’m highly educated on the topic and I still support Israel’s right to exist. I just wish they’d get out of West Bank and that Hamas would be destroyed so there can be peace.


well now, many Americans disagree with their own country supporting Israel. After what they done to gaza.


Yeah, but its a war, that's just how you play war. Israel is doing nothing wrong, they're at war with hamas, thats how the game of war is played. War isn't pretty, lots of people die, lots more get seriously injured and some might even get slaughtered in messed up ways, but all's fair in the game of war. So it's not like Israel is doing anything unfair.
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Allhailodin wrote:


azera wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
I guess I am going to be the one to say it as blunt as it maybe, no likes or cares for the Jewish community at all PERIOD in the middle east. The only reason the united states does is because of religious reasons, being god's chosen people and so on and think they can do no wrong at all, just like the united states when it comes to torturing people "water boarding". Well that's my point of view on it anyways but oh well x3


Actually, religion has nothing to do with the United States supporting Israel. There are plenty of largely Christian nations that don’t support Israel. The United States government back up Israel because we gain economically. Israel gave us cell phones, answering machines, instant messenger technology, and the technological basis for AOL. It also pioneers in the medical field and produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation. Plus, as an ally in the Middle East, it helps us deal with nations like Iran and Afghanistan.

The people support it because the Jews have the oldest ancestral claims to the territory. They don’t realize where the Arabs are coming from, or that the Palestinians have an ancestral claim to the territory too. This being said, I’m highly educated on the topic and I still support Israel’s right to exist. I just wish they’d get out of West Bank and that Hamas would be destroyed so there can be peace.


well now, many Americans disagree with their own country supporting Israel. After what they done to gaza.


Yeah, but its a war, that's just how you play war. Israel is doing nothing wrong, they're at war with hamas, thats how the game of war is played. War isn't pretty, lots of people die, lots more get seriously injured and some might even get slaughtered in messed up ways, but all's fair in the game of war. So it's not like Israel is doing anything unfair.


Isnt it UR money anyway? Your own money put in this atrocities that Israel make....all the weapons that US supply to them..iis a big waste...economic crisis is here and we still at war...wth

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Before I even begin refuting I had to laugh a little bit at the sub title "liberate yourself from arab propoganda." Now the funny thing about that is none of what I post or others post comes from arab websites in fact time after time I posted articles that jewish Israelis wrote or Americans? So are we to say the only people that support Palestine are Arabs, I mean that sounds extremely ignorant and kind of racist sort of like me saying the only people who support Israel is white people? We cannot see right from wrong when it is clear as day as who is doing the killing and the occupying? Does it really take a rocket scientist to figure out how bad of a country Israel is? Should I repost the racist vile statements of Avigor Liberman? Should I repost the new Israel prime minister and his oppostion to a two state solution? These are facts that are not only found in arab media but politicians in the west as well. We cant be this blind unless I post a website that is pro Islam and anti jew as many Americans get their information from Pro Israel Anti Arab hate websites then you will have a point.

So let me make this clear to everyone still stating this is some kind of arab/muslim propoganda if this were true then why are there many Israel politicians living inside of Israel extremely critical of her actions? This is widely known that Israelis criticize their government even protest? So what are they doing getting their info from arabs? Seriously people when we protest against the actions of the US government where are we getting our info from the Russians?
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another unsatisfied jew... they should be forbidden to use cyberspace. Like they dont have enough propaganda anyway. Maybe they will be satisfied when they exterminate every living muslim in the world. Then christians, and then, maybe ,they would be satisfied. As to justification of Israel,... well Germany once ruled half the europe, and french, and hell, GB had tons of colonies for hundreds of years. Maybe it is time to claim them back, because they were historically present there once. Blah.
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