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Posted 5/17/09

drizza wrote:



Nah you said Hamas rejected a two-state solution did you not? And I said they have agreed to one so no I am not purposely misunderstanding I read what you typed clearly.

Also you say both sides at fault but at the end of your paragraph most of the fault is to blame is on the Palestinians because according to you they are annoying? So Israel should just blast them hell did you not say that? I am confused you condemn both sides for using violence but yet you agree that palestinians are annoying so they should be killed. Conspiracy theory prove it? DId I say the Jews are taking over the world? Everything I type is purely political and I back it up with quotes from politicians in Israel and in our country.

Now I do agree with you with the UN yes they want to move in on Israel but who always jumps in the way to say nay? Yep USA for some odd reason our government feels the need to support them financially because according to Seraph they created AOL. Our ecnomy is dieing but yet it is appropiate to give this country billions of dollars of Aid a year? What about Americans seriously? Yes the Jews have a large influence in American policy and this is know lie everyone knows it. But the fact that you do know it and yet you still blindly accept the propoganda even though someone presents you proof in my eyes you are ignorant (not calling you ignorant but just saying). I dont like the fact that because I am American I have to be forced to like Israeli policy or I am some kind of racist Anti-Semite.

Edit: btw nice icons in your posts




Good grief...you say you understand what I wrote pretty clearly yet it turns out that you haven't understood anything I said - if you say that you're clearly understanding what I'm saying then why don't you answer accordingly? Are you trying to troll me? This is the last time I'll try to explain to you what I wrote. If you won't get it this time either then...well, I'll blame it on your uh...is English your mother tongue? If so, or not..I'll brush this misunderstanding off as "bad linguistical understanding".
Anyway, I digressed, lets get back to answer your questions.

No. I didn't say that Hamas rejected it. Never said such a thing in my initial post. I have no idea where you read that in my post. Yes, you are clearly misunderstanding my post. I NEVER said that Hamas rejected it. Because I was referring to the very first two-state solution which was the 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan which the Arab Palestinians rejected -- clearly in 1947 Hamas didn't exist since it was founded only later in 1987 so Hamas could have never possibly rejected the two-state solution which was offered in 1947. Do you understand that? Hopefully yes.

I didn't blame anyone more than the other. I blamed both sides just as much. You're putting words in my mouth. Bad boy. Very bad boy.

["If I was the leader of Israel I'd not give up all the goodies I collected through the years just like that - no politician really cares about the well-being of others, it's actually AWESOME that Hamas exists because it gives me the right to bomb those f*cking annoying Palestinians even more so.

See, that's probably what a person like Liberman or any of his compatriots thinks like. They CAN justify their thoughts and actions thanks to Hamas and all the other dumbf*cks who support them."]


The part in bold which you're probably referring to was me putting myself into a Liberman-orientated person. That should have been clear with the following words - "See, that's probably what a person like Liberman or any of his compatriots thinks like."

Wtf, drizza...I NEVER said that Israel should blow them up for being annoying. You are...putting words in my mouth and or completely misunderstanding what I said. Obviously. I can see that you're absolutely engulfed by the idea "poor palestinians" so much you are starting to accuse each and everyone of being against Palestina - that's what you're doing now with me. And it annoys me when people put words in my mouth. And one thing, Mister, just because someone is Pro-Israel doesn't mean that he/she wants death to the Palestinians, okay? Stop throwing everyone into this anti-palestina cup. You do this quite often as I've noticed and I think that this isn't a good approach either. Try to understand what others write even if it's clear that they do not support your view on this whole subject. You're just as those people you're mentioning. Judging by your posts it seems to me that you're a Palestinian supporter and whenever someone's pro-Israel then you flick them off as "American", as "so you want to blow all those poor Palestinians up", etc etc. Stop it. Seriously, stop it.



Anyway, onto the "Jewish lobby is throning over the US American Media, Politics, Finances, etc" topic. Actually, I believe that a lot of US Americans don't even realise that their country's being led and strongly influenced by one specific lobby - Jewish Lobby. Most US Americans have never seen anything besides their CNN channel and their beloved state. They most probably have a very narrow horizon and have not really a chance to view this whole situation from a completely different standpoint and even if they had they probably don't care enough to be bothered - because why should I care for some country I have no relation to?

Now I'm slightly annoyed because of having had to reiterate everything again. Probably going to take a break of this thread.
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Posted 5/17/09 , edited 5/17/09

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drizza wrote:



Nah you said Hamas rejected a two-state solution did you not? And I said they have agreed to one so no I am not purposely misunderstanding I read what you typed clearly.

Also you say both sides at fault but at the end of your paragraph most of the fault is to blame is on the Palestinians because according to you they are annoying? So Israel should just blast them hell did you not say that? I am confused you condemn both sides for using violence but yet you agree that palestinians are annoying so they should be killed. Conspiracy theory prove it? DId I say the Jews are taking over the world? Everything I type is purely political and I back it up with quotes from politicians in Israel and in our country.

Now I do agree with you with the UN yes they want to move in on Israel but who always jumps in the way to say nay? Yep USA for some odd reason our government feels the need to support them financially because according to Seraph they created AOL. Our ecnomy is dieing but yet it is appropiate to give this country billions of dollars of Aid a year? What about Americans seriously? Yes the Jews have a large influence in American policy and this is know lie everyone knows it. But the fact that you do know it and yet you still blindly accept the propoganda even though someone presents you proof in my eyes you are ignorant (not calling you ignorant but just saying). I dont like the fact that because I am American I have to be forced to like Israeli policy or I am some kind of racist Anti-Semite.

Edit: btw nice icons in your posts




Good grief...you say you understand what I wrote pretty clearly yet it turns out that you haven't understood anything I said - if you say that you're clearly understanding what I'm saying then why don't you answer accordingly? Are you trying to troll me? This is the last time I'll try to explain to you what I wrote. If you won't get it this time either then...well, I'll blame it on your uh...is English your mother tongue? If so, or not..I'll brush this misunderstanding off as "bad linguistical understanding".
Anyway, I digressed, lets get back to answer your questions.

No. I didn't say that Hamas rejected it. Never said such a thing in my initial post. I have no idea where you read that in my post. Yes, you are clearly misunderstanding my post. I NEVER said that Hamas rejected it. Because I was referring to the very first two-state solution which was the 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan which the Arab Palestinians rejected -- clearly in 1947 Hamas didn't exist since it was founded only later in 1987 so Hamas could have never possibly rejected the two-state solution which was offered in 1947. Do you understand that? Hopefully yes.

I didn't blame anyone more than the other. I blamed both sides just as much. You're putting words in my mouth. Bad boy. Very bad boy.

["If I was the leader of Israel I'd not give up all the goodies I collected through the years just like that - no politician really cares about the well-being of others, it's actually AWESOME that Hamas exists because it gives me the right to bomb those f*cking annoying Palestinians even more so.

See, that's probably what a person like Liberman or any of his compatriots thinks like. They CAN justify their thoughts and actions thanks to Hamas and all the other dumbf*cks who support them."]


The part in bold which you're probably referring to was me putting myself into a Liberman-orientated person. That should have been clear with the following words - "See, that's probably what a person like Liberman or any of his compatriots thinks like."

Wtf, drizza...I NEVER said that Israel should blow them up for being annoying. You are...putting words in my mouth and or completely misunderstanding what I said. Obviously. I can see that you're absolutely engulfed by the idea "poor palestinians" so much you are starting to accuse each and everyone of being against Palestina - that's what you're doing now with me. And it annoys me when people put words in my mouth. And one thing, Mister, just because someone is Pro-Israel doesn't mean that he/she wants death to the Palestinians, okay? Stop throwing everyone into this anti-palestina cup. You do this quite often as I've noticed and I think that this isn't a good approach either. Try to understand what others write even if it's clear that they do not support your view on this whole subject. You're just as those people you're mentioning. Judging by your posts it seems to me that you're a Palestinian supporter and whenever someone's pro-Israel then you flick them off as "American", as "so you want to blow all those poor Palestinians up", etc etc. Stop it. Seriously, stop it.



Anyway, onto the "Jewish lobby is throning over the US American Media, Politics, Finances, etc" topic. Actually, I believe that a lot of US Americans don't even realise that their country's being led and strongly influenced by one specific lobby - Jewish Lobby. Most US Americans have never seen anything besides their CNN channel and their beloved state. They most probably have a very narrow horizon and have not really a chance to view this whole situation from a completely different standpoint and even if they had they probably don't care enough to be bothered - because why should I care for some country I have no relation to?

Now I'm slightly annoyed because of having had to reiterate everything again. Probably going to take a break of this thread.


Ok there seems to be a lot of misunderstandings then because in your first post you never mentioned what type of treaty you were talking about untill your second post. My second response was in what I read from the first one had you mentioned that treaty I would have backed off. Now as to your comment for me flicking you off as an American well just read your last paragraph can you blame me for thinking that way? Surely you understand why most Americans have this pro-Israel view and the majority I speak with on this thread is American so yes I apologize for lumping you in this category I deal with this a lot so I have gotten use to it.

Now as for atacking pro-Israeli people Digs is on my friends list and we have a good relationship outside of this thread. We may not agree on the Israel/Palestine issue but I dont see him as being igornant because he doesnt attack the religion nor arabs themselves. He has never expressed any view for killing all palestinians as he didnt agree with some of Israels tactics for killing them. So dont put me in no category of thinking everyone who is pro-Israel wants all Palestinians dead. As stated I only respond to those who make that statement.

I am no where near like the people I am mentioning because as stated before when I debate this issue I dont have swear out the top of lounges of how bad jews are and their religion is. I dont preach hate in an extremist way basically and if I did please point it out. I can admit when I am wrong and I did judge your first response too quickly but if you read the last thread the majority I havent came across this mistake. I usually try to throw what they said back at them so they can see how they look and if what they are saying is making any sense. If that doesnt work then I get my sources together and do some honest refuting. Now since we have the misunderstandings clear if you want to have a serious debate besides all the grief I am ready. Seems like that is unlikely as you dont care for this situation as much. And chill with the "Mister", or "Bad Boy" what am I a child or a old ass man?
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i dont like israel and its not even their land -.- they stole it cause the german lovely hitler kicked them out....they kill children and pregnent women jewish guys are monsters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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