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Cannibalism, It's part of human nature
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Even it was to save my own life i could not eat another person at all, I would rather I die than do that I really would.
only one way to find out. Willing to test that?

I lock you up in a tomb with no way out and no food. Only water.... I lock you away with two other people,,, Let us find out what happens first? do you die of lack of food? do you eat the first one two die? Do you go mad and kill someone than eat them? Or do you off your self...?
If you wish to find out I be happy to set it up for you.' I build a metal box just for it.

with plumbing. for bathroom, shower, and water.. But nothing else. I even have a cooling system added in to keep you nice a cool and not dien of heat stroke.


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That didn't answer my question, but yes I've heard of that study. But it's not a theory.

I see, but it's hard to say incest is natural since it can go either way. If I can recall some of the lower animals (the ones who haven't evolved since forever) have incest but the latter ones like us (who have evolved more recently) don't really do it. The exception are bonobos but that's because they're really careless when it comes to breeding and if it happens it happens, it's not deliberate. When people talk about incest they talk about deliberate incest.


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Read it and it didn't help answer my questions. Read what I said to odin about the bonobos.
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

Even it was to save my own life i could not eat another person at all, I would rather I die than do that I really would.
only one way to find out. Willing to test that?

I lock you up in a tomb with no way out and no food. Only water.... I lock you away with two other people,,, Let us find out what happens first? do you die of lack of food? do you eat the first one two die? Do you go mad and kill someone than eat them? Or do you off your self...?
If you wish to find out I be happy to set it up for you.' I build a metal box just for it.

with plumbing. for bathroom, shower, and water.. But nothing else. I even have a cooling system added in to keep you nice a cool and not dien of heat stroke.




Darky, even if they theory does appeal to logic it's not something easy to accept. Even if you make a proposed scenario it still won't put them in that state of mind. That's like asking a fight-or-flight question, the person might say one thing but might actually react in the real situation in the opposite manner.
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Allhailodin wrote:
Actually cannibalism is a common ecological interaction in the animal kingdom and has been recorded for more than 1500 species. So its far from unnatural. Its actually rather natural. And I can imagine myself eating another human being, if I had too, I mean if I have to I have to right ? Don't have much choice in the matter do I ?

As for incest, they seem think that humans dislike of incest, seems to be a genetic failsafe to prevent the production of genetically fucking offspring. So it seems to be hard wired into your head. Personally I could see myself in a relationship with a family member, As I get long well with some of them and some of then are actually somewhat hot. Doesn't mean i'd going to produce a kid, but I'd be willing to go as far as a relationship.


As I said, I agree that it's natural. I'm just saying I can't imagine doing such a thing. That's only because I can't imagine myself in that kind of situation. Personally, If I'm in a situation where I can eat a dead human body if I wanted but also have available source of water, I would just drink water. humans can last a long time without food but can't last long without water. I'll only eat a human if I REALLY had to.haha.

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That didn't answer my question, but yes I've heard of that study. But it's not a theory.

I see, but it's hard to say incest is natural since it can go either way. If I can recall some of the lower animals (the ones who haven't evolved since forever) have incest but the latter ones like us (who have evolved more recently) don't really do it. The exception are bonobos but that's because they're really careless when it comes to breeding and if it happens it happens, it's not deliberate. When people talk about incest they talk about deliberate incest.


Well they say that the natural dislike of incest in humans, is a genetic failsafe that's hardwired into our heads to prevent humans from producing a genetically fucked offspring. I dunno if that's true or not, but it makes sense.

But yes other animals besides humans have incest, i dunno of any off the top of my head other then the bonobos. But as long as you don't produce an offspring, i dont see a problem with incest.
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Allhailodin wrote:

yeap, homosexuality is present in many animals, so i assume it's genetic in them. So why is it a big deal. But as much as 10% of the worlds population is homosexual. So as far as I'm concerned its natural.


It's a big deal because people fear what they don't understand.
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Allhailodin wrote:


That didn't answer my question, but yes I've heard of that study. But it's not a theory.

I see, but it's hard to say incest is natural since it can go either way. If I can recall some of the lower animals (the ones who haven't evolved since forever) have incest but the latter ones like us (who have evolved more recently) don't really do it. The exception are bonobos but that's because they're really careless when it comes to breeding and if it happens it happens, it's not deliberate. When people talk about incest they talk about deliberate incest.


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Read it and it didn't help answer my questions. Read what I said to odin about the bonobos.

I like to point out that the Octopus in many ways are more evovled than humans would you not agree? Do you know that there numbers 40% to 50% Gay?
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crunchypibb wrote:


That didn't answer my question, but yes I've heard of that study. But it's not a theory.

I see, but it's hard to say incest is natural since it can go either way. If I can recall some of the lower animals (the ones who haven't evolved since forever) have incest but the latter ones like us (who have evolved more recently) don't really do it. The exception are bonobos but that's because they're really careless when it comes to breeding and if it happens it happens, it's not deliberate. When people talk about incest they talk about deliberate incest.


Well they say that the natural dislike of incest in humans, is a genetic failsafe that's hardwired into our heads to prevent humans from producing a genetically fucked offspring. I dunno if that's true or not, but it makes sense.

But yes other animals besides humans have incest, i dunno of any off the top of my head other then the bonobos. But as long as you don't produce an offspring, i dont see a problem with incest.


Well if you don't mind I'm going to go ahead and take the anti-gay and anti-incest side but I'm going to speak from a biological and evolutionary perspective. Evolutionary if you're gay you're just about as helpful to the gene pool as a sterile straight person. Being gay sadly doesn't help the humans population grow or evolve for that matter. But to go as far as to discharging gay people from the military is quite harsh and retarded in my opinion, refer to the "Daily Show with John Stuart" May 14, 2009 where they talk about that.

As for incest, from I've seen on this thread, you already know that it makes weird looking babies and from what I said make sickly children. So as you can see incest in the human population produces negative results. Why there is incest in the human population is probably because of what you said and that their genetic coding doesn't tell them it's wrong.
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crunchypibb wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


That didn't answer my question, but yes I've heard of that study. But it's not a theory.

I see, but it's hard to say incest is natural since it can go either way. If I can recall some of the lower animals (the ones who haven't evolved since forever) have incest but the latter ones like us (who have evolved more recently) don't really do it. The exception are bonobos but that's because they're really careless when it comes to breeding and if it happens it happens, it's not deliberate. When people talk about incest they talk about deliberate incest.


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Read it and it didn't help answer my questions. Read what I said to odin about the bonobos.

I like to point out that the Octopus in many ways are more evovled than humans would you not agree? Do you know that there numbers 40% to 50% Gay?


Are they more recently evolved? Plus what is their reason? Maybe they are another exception but incest in the human species does produce negative results, that is deformed and sickly babies. Lack of genetic variation inbetween spouses is actually bad for us.
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Actually the homosexual was a much valuable asset back 250,000 years ago. Back when we were hunter-gatherers.





So the homosexual back then was a very valuable asset to have. might not do so much now, but back then it could very well have made the difference between life and death. He was a very valuable thing to have. Probally doesn't do so much now, but the trait just never completely disapeared. so it still pops up every now and then
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Well if you don't mind I'm going to go ahead and take the anti-gay and anti-incest side but I'm going to speak from a biological and evolutionary perspective. Evolutionary if you're gay you're just about as helpful to the gene pool as a sterile straight person. Being gay sadly doesn't help the humans population grow or evolve for that matter. But to go as far as to discharging gay people from the military is quite harsh and retarded in my opinion, refer to the "Daily Show with John Stuart" May 14, 2009 where they talk about that.

As for incest, from I've seen on this thread, you already know that it makes weird looking babies and from what I said make sickly children. So as you can see incest in the human population produces negative results. Why there is incest in the human population is probably because of what you said and that their genetic coding doesn't tell them it's wrong.


Well, I could give you a long and drawn out anaylsis on it. But basically it's been theorized that the purpose of homosexuality was to preserve bonds within groups ,which leads to group stability and increases chances of reconcillation amongst individuals within groups and as a form of regulation for population growth. Population growth is only one aspect of reproductive success. If you have too high of a population, the effects would be horrendous simply because there are not enough resources to support an entire population. Not to mention creating a bunch of low quality offspring.So I really don't see a problem in homosexuals not having any children. In that aspect, homosexuals help regulate population growth. In fact it might be better if half-the world is homosexual considering the problems with over-population plaguing the world today. Think about it: Homosexuality has been around for generations. If that trait wasn't beneficial, why didn't it die out along time ago?
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Well I was speaking from the breeding perspective, if you noticed. But now that I think about it, being gay and having gay relationships are actually two different topics that people have most recently bundled together as one. Now I'm going to speak to all christians while I'm on this topic, the bible in fact doesn't not actually say anything negative about people who are gay, but rather the action of gay sex. Your tidbit gives a perfect example of how being gay actually helps, which I've never really thought of before. IMO, that tidbit you gave was interesting, although I fail to see in some parts where being exclusively gay is helpful like the alerting example. Nonetheless, I myself don't find it offensive that people are gay.
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Allhailodin wrote:


Well I was speaking from the breeding perspective, if you noticed. But now that I think about it, being gay and having gay relationships are actually two different topics that people have most recently bundled together as one. Now I'm going to speak to all christians while I'm on this topic, the bible in fact doesn't not actually say anything negative about people who are gay, but rather the action of gay sex. Your tidbit gives a perfect example of how being gay actually helps, which I've never really thought of before. IMO, that tidbit you gave was interesting, although I fail to see in some parts where being exclusively gay is helpful like the alerting example. Nonetheless, I myself don't find it offensive that people are gay.


From a genetic prespective being gay is a loose loose situation, as you contribute nothing to the gene pool, but in some cases it might be better to not contribute to the gene pool, but to contribute to the survival of the local popuation, which in turn contributes to the gene pool. So from a genetic prespective gay might not be an automatic loose. because by keeping the population alive, more gets contributed to the gene pool than one single animal is capable of. Idk thats just how I see it
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Allhailodin wrote:


Well I was speaking from the breeding perspective, if you noticed. But now that I think about it, being gay and having gay relationships are actually two different topics that people have most recently bundled together as one. Now I'm going to speak to all christians while I'm on this topic, the bible in fact doesn't not actually say anything negative about people who are gay, but rather the action of gay sex. Your tidbit gives a perfect example of how being gay actually helps, which I've never really thought of before. IMO, that tidbit you gave was interesting, although I fail to see in some parts where being exclusively gay is helpful like the alerting example. Nonetheless, I myself don't find it offensive that people are gay.


"the bible in fact doesn't not actually say anything negative about people who are gay, but rather the action of gay sex"

Actually some Christians believe that being gay and just being attracted to members of the same sex is as bad as having sex with people of the same gender.

And while we are on the same subject,some people believe that the term "Homosexual" is inaccurate and misleading as there is a difference between being attracted to members of the same sex and being in a relationship with them and actually having sex with them. The term "Homosexual" implies a sexual connotation when it doesn't really full represents the full nature of being attracted to someone. In fact there is such a thing as being a "Gay asexual." You can be attracted to members of the same sex but it doesn't mean you want to have sex with them. You can read more about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality
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Allhailodin wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Well I was speaking from the breeding perspective, if you noticed. But now that I think about it, being gay and having gay relationships are actually two different topics that people have most recently bundled together as one. Now I'm going to speak to all christians while I'm on this topic, the bible in fact doesn't not actually say anything negative about people who are gay, but rather the action of gay sex. Your tidbit gives a perfect example of how being gay actually helps, which I've never really thought of before. IMO, that tidbit you gave was interesting, although I fail to see in some parts where being exclusively gay is helpful like the alerting example. Nonetheless, I myself don't find it offensive that people are gay.


From a genetic prespective being gay is a loose loose situation, as you contribute nothing to the gene pool, but in some cases it might be better to not contribute to the gene pool, but to contribute to the survival of the local popuation, which in turn contributes to the gene pool. So from a genetic prespective gay might not be an automatic loose. because by keeping the population alive, more gets contributed to the gene pool than one single animal is capable of. Idk thats just how I see it


Not to mention that reproductive success isn't always about having the largest population growth.
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