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The Universe, god can't have created it
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Posted 7/7/09

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If God is infinite, then it doesn't matter at all how big the universe is



infinite is a measure of dimensions
and as alot of you religious people have said
"god isn't affected be any dimensions, he's omnipresent"

which is pretty close to nonexistence if u ask me


It because God is Creator, not a creation
Of course, He is different from us. Beyond all of us

If this perfectly universe didn't made by someone superior than us, then who?
Natural phenomenon or random chance?

If some unknown and random made this universe.
It won't be strange if the Earth will gone to different way of its rotation.
It even could be gone away from suns, which will caused all species on the earth die



"What are you talking about We are on the back of a Giant Space Turtle." there has been 500,000.000 + religions on earth, and the Idea of a single God is one of the newist forms of religions. Older religions did not think there was a god, or if they did It was a army of Gods not one.

random chance is not so random wen one has the time. In other words with enough time, and we had the time, chances of life popping up is a given it would of been less likely that life did not pop up in the time we had for it to happen.

The Idea of a living thinking thing or God that is everything and nothing all at once is not likely at all, nor is it necessary for existence/life, as pointed out with time the events needed for life to have got its starts on earth or other planets at that is very likely.

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There are many possibilities to the creation of the Universe. Sadly, the arguments behind the notion of god(s), goddess(es), or any creative force are lacking as much evidence, or more so, than the argument behind a "big bang." In a Universe that is billions of years old, we are infants at best. We cannot know what created the Universe just yet, if ever. There are faulty aspects of the Universe, like elliptical orbit of some of the bodies in space, and things that seem so perfect as to be designed by something. It is pointless to say that one side is wrong and the other is right. WE DON'T KNOW! Our best option, is to continue to study the evidence with an open, yet scientific mind. As technology progresses, our findings will become more accurate. We just can't allow ourselves to get bogged down in an argument that is unresolvable at this current point in our development as a species. Religion and science have both been wrong about things in the past. Both have been used to manipulate those with a weak mind. I cannot stress enough, the importance of logical & unbiased exploration of all of the possibilities. It starts with accepting the possibility that we are wrong in our beliefs, no matter if the are religiously or scientifically based.
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I've remembered something funny, if "god" can create the whole universe and the billions of stars just for our enjoyment then why can't he feed the hungry, shelter the poor, end wars and make this world a better place? "god" is so damn great!


lets not forget that he created earth in 7 days......if he created everything in 6 days what did he do the day before the day 1, or a week before that?
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Posted 7/13/09

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Kill099 wrote:

I've remembered something funny, if "god" can create the whole universe and the billions of stars just for our enjoyment then why can't he feed the hungry, shelter the poor, end wars and make this world a better place? "god" is so damn great!


lets not forget that he created earth in 7 days......if he created everything in 6 days what did he do the day before the day 1, or a week before that?


Nothing, since the universe didn't exist yet, must have been bored for a long time.
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Posted 7/14/09

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Kill099 wrote:

I've remembered something funny, if "god" can create the whole universe and the billions of stars just for our enjoyment then why can't he feed the hungry, shelter the poor, end wars and make this world a better place? "god" is so damn great!


lets not forget that he created earth in 7 days......if he created everything in 6 days what did he do the day before the day 1, or a week before that?


Nothing, since the universe didn't exist yet, must have been bored for a long time.


This makes my wonder, why did he need to rest on the 7th day? I didn't think all-powerful beings could get tired.

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God is merely an excuse we use to explain what cannot. I'm sure there is a cause for the universe, but i refuse to accept an excuse as the truth

many people i know say "then why is earth so perfect for life?" "its a one in a trillion chance it's not possible without a creator" well i say thats the outcome of the beginning, this is how the diced rolled, THAT one in a trillion chance occured. and someday the earth will be engulfed if not close to by the sun when it becomes a red dwarf.
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God is much more than an explanation for the universe. Science tells us how the universe works, it does not explain it either. Chance? Einstein said, "God does not play dice with the universe."
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uhohimdead wrote:

God is merely an excuse we use to explain what cannot. I'm sure there is a cause for the universe, but i refuse to accept an excuse as the truth

many people i know say "then why is earth so perfect for life?" "its a one in a trillion chance it's not possible without a creator" well i say thats the outcome of the beginning, this is how the diced rolled, THAT one in a trillion chance occured. and someday the earth will be engulfed if not close to by the sun when it becomes a red dwarf.


Its not one a one in a trillion chance that life exists without a creator, now that we have telescopes capable of finding the small exosolar rocky planets, we're finding that planets in the "livable" zone of their star occur naturally. So that means life is probably a rather common thing in the universe. If it happened on one planet capable of supporting it, then chances are its happened on other planets capable of supporting it as well. The earth is not as unique as people think it is, as telescopes get better and better, allowing us to see smaller and smaller things further and further away, we'll find lots of earth like planets orbiting other stars. So some of them probably will have life on them. We've already found other planets in the "livable" zone of their star.

And if earth were truly a "perfect" place for life, it wouldn't be in orbit around a yellow dwarf like the sun, the sun only stays main sequence for 10 or so billion years, and it's already used up 5 of them, in another billion years, the suns output is going to increase to the point where life isn't possible on earth anymore, a true "perfect" place for life would be around a orange dwarf, they live for 15-30 billion years before going red giant, thus engulfing and destroying the planets that orbit them. So a true perfect place for life would be a planet around an orange dwarf. not a yellow dwarf like the sun. our race would be able to last longer, evolve more and advance further if it were in orbit around an orange dwarf, and its not. So earth isn't "perfect" for life.
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5 billion years leaves us plenty of time to migrate to a solar system that can sustain life. But the nearest one we've found thus far is around 50 light years or 295,000,000,000,000 miles away ...
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5 billion years leaves us plenty of time to migrate to a solar system that can maintain life. But the nearest one we've found thus far is around 50 light years or 295,000,000,000,000 miles away ...


It's only 1 billion left, in roughly a billion years the suns output is going to increase by 11%, which is going to raise the temp of the earth too high for life to survive, so its only a billion years, but at the rate tech is advancing, a lot could happen within a billion years.
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Allhailodin wrote:


redfinger1 wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

I've remembered something funny, if "god" can create the whole universe and the billions of stars just for our enjoyment then why can't he feed the hungry, shelter the poor, end wars and make this world a better place? "god" is so damn great!


lets not forget that he created earth in 7 days......if he created everything in 6 days what did he do the day before the day 1, or a week before that?


Nothing, since the universe didn't exist yet, must have been bored for a long time.


This makes my wonder, why did he need to rest on the 7th day? I didn't think all-powerful beings could get tired.


Exactly. All-Powerful, how could He get tired, then need to rest?

[50:38]And certainly We created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six days and there touched Us not any fatigue.

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illincrux wrote:

5 billion years leaves us plenty of time to migrate to a solar system that can maintain life. But the nearest one we've found thus far is around 50 light years or 295,000,000,000,000 miles away ...


It's only 1 billion left, in roughly a billion years the suns output is going to increase by 11%, which is going to raise the temp of the earth too high for life to survive, so its only a billion years, but at the rate tech is advancing, a lot could happen within a billion years.


It's debatable, some say 1 billion, others say 3 billion, while some say 6.5 billion years.

Nevertheless, we as a species is ever increasing technologically at a rate that far exceeds any point in our history exponentially. We'll probably be sending out our first probes within this century and perhaps within the next 500 years or so we'll be sending our first astronauts (in stasis of course) out to colonize on these potential planets.
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Posted 7/14/09

illincrux wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


illincrux wrote:

5 billion years leaves us plenty of time to migrate to a solar system that can maintain life. But the nearest one we've found thus far is around 50 light years or 295,000,000,000,000 miles away ...


It's only 1 billion left, in roughly a billion years the suns output is going to increase by 11%, which is going to raise the temp of the earth too high for life to survive, so its only a billion years, but at the rate tech is advancing, a lot could happen within a billion years.


It's debatable, some say 1 billion, others say 3 billion, while some say 6.5 billion years.

Nevertheless, we as a species is ever increasing technologically at a rate that far exceeds any point in our history exponentially. We'll probably be sending out our first probes within this century and perhaps within the next 500 years or so we'll be sending our first astronauts (in stasis of course) out to colonize on these potential planets.


Well in 500 years, astronauts might not need to be cryogenically frozen, tech might be advanced enough that they could get there within a few months. But even traveling at the speed of light, the time required to get their would be measure in years to decades. And as of now, faster then light travel is "impossible", but then again lots of things were "impossible" 100 years ago that are now a part of every day life. So who knows.
Posted 7/14/09 , edited 7/14/09

Allhailodin wrote:


illincrux wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


illincrux wrote:

5 billion years leaves us plenty of time to migrate to a solar system that can maintain life. But the nearest one we've found thus far is around 50 light years or 295,000,000,000,000 miles away ...


It's only 1 billion left, in roughly a billion years the suns output is going to increase by 11%, which is going to raise the temp of the earth too high for life to survive, so its only a billion years, but at the rate tech is advancing, a lot could happen within a billion years.


It's debatable, some say 1 billion, others say 3 billion, while some say 6.5 billion years.

Nevertheless, we as a species is ever increasing technologically at a rate that far exceeds any point in our history exponentially. We'll probably be sending out our first probes within this century and perhaps within the next 500 years or so we'll be sending our first astronauts (in stasis of course) out to colonize on these potential planets.


Well in 500 years, astronauts might not need to be cryogenically frozen, tech might be advanced enough that they could get there within a few months. But even traveling at the speed of light, the time required to get their would be measure in years to decades. And as of now, faster then light travel is "impossible", but then again lots of things were "impossible" 100 years ago that are now a part of every day life. So who knows.


Actually, we are able to send radio waves (data) faster than the speed of light by utilizing the polarities of our planet and the way we are doing it is most similar to the way pulsars emit radio waves. In fact, we're sending these waves so fast that they arrive at their destination before they are even sent. So in a way it is a form of time travel, but to go from radio waves to human beings is a whole nother story...

Perhaps a thousand years from now(if we don't destroy ourselves in the process), we'll be able to travel to any point in our galaxy almost instantly if we find that the laws of physics allow it...
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It's clearly that we don't have evidence to argue with this statement. If god created the earth in seven days then our only evidence is the bible. Scientists will be fussed about it. We have many theories that how the universe was made, the more likely controversial example is the parallel universe which is basically that the entire system is consist of strings and entire system has11 dimensions and there is also the theory of everything which was supported by many scientists. I think they will conduct a experiment in space to find out that there are remains of the big bang explosion that happened a billions years ago.
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