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Do you think Crunchyroll is paying our fansubbers enough?
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Last year, CR got a VC donation from Venrock concerning the copyrighted material on this site (kind of out-of-date, but it's really not). As Deep, Jive Interests reports


It (CR) tries to get around this by saying that it will happily take down videos if the appropriate DMCA paperwork is filed, but will not actively police videos at the point of upload. Because the copyright owners are unaware or do not care (or have other reasons that I’m not aware of), there continues to be a whole *LOT* of copyrighted material still on Crunchyroll, and this includes both animated shows and television series...


But the copyrighted material is not what I'm stabbing at in this report, I'm going for the human side of this story.
You see, CR owes it's complete success to Fansubbers. CR obviously hires these fansubbers because they speak the native language of Japanese. Fansubbers exist for all kinds of niches, and for all kinds of video media. To me, fansubbers, are a little bit like the creators of open source software, in that they spend a whole lot of their own personal time and energy making something that can be enjoyed by a whole lot of other people.

However, UNLIKE folks who create open-source software, very few can use this hobby as a launch pad to professional activities, and very few of them make any money for their efforts (almost all make none). Furthermore, unlike folks who create open-source software, many of them are *also* the potential targets of legal action, as subtitling itself and the redistribution of the original video is in a legally shady area to begin with. In fact, many fansubbing groups have asked its fans *NOT* to upload their videos to sites like YouTube so that they won’t be the obvious target of legal action. So, it adds a greater dimension of irony that not only is Crunchyroll getting funding for streaming videos that are already copyright protected, but the folks who have made those videos possible for watching (subtitling) have gone through hoops to avoid copyright prosecution themselves — with no practical monetary gain in the first place. In fact, many go out of their way (and add a message directly to the videos that they sub) that their work isn’t meant to be sold or resold at any price.


Have they realized that at this very moment they are getting duped?


You can imagine that they are not happy about it.

Is it fair or righteous that CR is going off with their hard work at absymal pay AND at their own risks?
I didn't think so.

If CR doesn't do something about this within a few months, a rebellion is sure to follow. It is to be seen what kind of ramifications this will have on Crunchyroll. If the amount of media taken down changes (i.e. increases), or if fansubbers are going to be adding interesting “messages” to Crunchyroll at the end of their work, in the event that it gets uploaded to Crunchyroll, popularity droppings and hatred are soon to follow.

The Solution: Firstly, PAY THE FANSUBBERS MORE MONEY!!! Secondly, actively police the videos so that no copyrighted material ends up on this website.

I rest my case.
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Lol,

first we got a guy who was against fansubs and wanted to destroy it, and now someone who's for fan subbing and want to help them.

But now my answer: tl;dr .



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Baka-God wrote:

Lol,

first we got a guy who was against fansubs and wanted to destroy it, and now someone who's for fan subbing and want to help them.

But now my answer: tl;dr .





No fool, i was always with the fansubs!
I was against the subs!

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^ lol "fool"

hahahaHAHAHHA
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TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:

Lol,

first we got a guy who was against fansubs and wanted to destroy it, and now someone who's for fan subbing and want to help them.

But now my answer: tl;dr .





No fool, i was always with the fansubs!
I was against the subs!



My dear friend, I never've said that you were the one who was against fansubbing, nor did I wanted to have a talk about fan subs.

You're saying, '' i was always with the fansubs '' & ''I was against the subs!''. Somehow It's kinda contradicting.


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Baka-God wrote:


TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:

Lol,

first we got a guy who was against fansubs and wanted to destroy it, and now someone who's for fan subbing and want to help them.

But now my answer: tl;dr .





No fool, i was always with the fansubs!
I was against the subs!



My dear friend, I never've said that you were the one who was against fansubbing, nor did I wanted to have a talk about fan subs.

You're saying, '' i was always with the fansubs '' & ''I was against the subs!''. Somehow It's kinda contradicting.



Not really, it's like saying I like the author but I hate the book.
people still do that these days

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TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:


TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:

Lol,

first we got a guy who was against fansubs and wanted to destroy it, and now someone who's for fan subbing and want to help them.

But now my answer: tl;dr .





No fool, i was always with the fansubs!
I was against the subs!



My dear friend, I never've said that you were the one who was against fansubbing, nor did I wanted to have a talk about fan subs.

You're saying, '' i was always with the fansubs '' & ''I was against the subs!''. Somehow It's kinda contradicting.



Not really, it's like saying I like the author but I hate the book.
people still do that these days



btw did you know the "poll section"?
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TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:


TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:

Lol,

first we got a guy who was against fansubs and wanted to destroy it, and now someone who's for fan subbing and want to help them.

But now my answer: tl;dr .





No fool, i was always with the fansubs!
I was against the subs!



My dear friend, I never've said that you were the one who was against fansubbing, nor did I wanted to have a talk about fan subs.

You're saying, '' i was always with the fansubs '' & ''I was against the subs!''. Somehow It's kinda contradicting.



Not really, it's like saying I like the author but I hate the book.
people still do that these days



~sigh~

lets say: the author did write the book, but I suppose, that not every book from your favorite author is good. Same goes for fan subbers.
Not every fan sub is good, and I've seen horrible ones on crunchyroll, when it still was here. are you telling me, that crunchyroll have to pay for those worthless, useless shit ? Not to mention, they couldn't even spell house >_> .

Of course that's the same for the ''orginal'' subs. They're not good, they suck, but what can you do against it? pay those fan subbers to make more subs? So that crunchyroll will get license problems?

Also, like how you're saying it or typing it, ''Fan subbers'' they're fans who're subbing anime it, why the hell should crunchyroll pay ''Fan subbers'' ?? And, crunchyroll did take every fansub away, whenever they've asked to do it.
Posted 5/22/09 , edited 5/22/09

Baka-God wrote:


TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:


TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:

Lol,

first we got a guy who was against fansubs and wanted to destroy it, and now someone who's for fan subbing and want to help them.

But now my answer: tl;dr .





No fool, i was always with the fansubs!
I was against the subs!



My dear friend, I never've said that you were the one who was against fansubbing, nor did I wanted to have a talk about fan subs.

You're saying, '' i was always with the fansubs '' & ''I was against the subs!''. Somehow It's kinda contradicting.



Not really, it's like saying I like the author but I hate the book.
people still do that these days



~sigh~

lets say: the author did write the book, but I suppose, that not every book from your favorite author is good. Same goes for fan subbers.
Not every fan sub is good, and I've seen horrible ones on crunchyroll, when it still was here. are you telling me, that crunchyroll have to pay for those worthless, useless shit ? Not to mention, they couldn't even spell house >_> .

Of course that's the same for the ''orginal'' subs. They're not good, they suck, but what can you do against it? pay those fan subbers to make more subs? So that crunchyroll will get license problems?

Also, like how you're saying it or typing it, ''Fan subbers'' they're fans who're subbing anime it, why the hell should crunchyroll pay ''Fan subbers'' ?? And, crunchyroll did take every fansub away, whenever they've asked to do it.

Ha ha, can't even spell house XD.
But they should get a little for their efforts, I kinda agree with him
Besides, not all of them are useless



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AngleEdge wrote:


Baka-God wrote:


TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:


TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:

Lol,

first we got a guy who was against fansubs and wanted to destroy it, and now someone who's for fan subbing and want to help them.

But now my answer: tl;dr .





No fool, i was always with the fansubs!
I was against the subs!



My dear friend, I never've said that you were the one who was against fansubbing, nor did I wanted to have a talk about fan subs.

You're saying, '' i was always with the fansubs '' & ''I was against the subs!''. Somehow It's kinda contradicting.



Not really, it's like saying I like the author but I hate the book.
people still do that these days



~sigh~

lets say: the author did write the book, but I suppose, that not every book from your favorite author is good. Same goes for fan subbers.
Not every fan sub is good, and I've seen horrible ones on crunchyroll, when it still was here. are you telling me, that crunchyroll have to pay for those worthless, useless shit ? Not to mention, they couldn't even spell house >_> .

Of course that's the same for the ''orginal'' subs. They're not good, they suck, but what can you do against it? pay those fan subbers to make more subs? So that crunchyroll will get license problems?

Also, like how you're saying it or typing it, ''Fan subbers'' they're fans who're subbing anime it, why the hell should crunchyroll pay ''Fan subbers'' ?? And, crunchyroll did take every fansub away, whenever they've asked to do it.

Ha ha, can't even spell hous XD.
But they should get a little for their efforts, I kinda agree with him
Besides, not all of them are useless





Indeed, they should get some credit for their effort, and a few of them are actually quite good. But I think it's nonsense to pay for ''Fan subs''. and this thread is pointless.
Posted 5/22/09
weren't fansubbers originally subbing for free? So it's better than not getting payed at all like they used to before :\
Posted 5/22/09

Baka-God wrote:


AngleEdge wrote:


Baka-God wrote:


TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:


TrinityBloodVampire wrote:


Baka-God wrote:

Lol,

first we got a guy who was against fansubs and wanted to destroy it, and now someone who's for fan subbing and want to help them.

But now my answer: tl;dr .





No fool, i was always with the fansubs!
I was against the subs!



My dear friend, I never've said that you were the one who was against fansubbing, nor did I wanted to have a talk about fan subs.

You're saying, '' i was always with the fansubs '' & ''I was against the subs!''. Somehow It's kinda contradicting.



Not really, it's like saying I like the author but I hate the book.
people still do that these days



~sigh~

lets say: the author did write the book, but I suppose, that not every book from your favorite author is good. Same goes for fan subbers.
Not every fan sub is good, and I've seen horrible ones on crunchyroll, when it still was here. are you telling me, that crunchyroll have to pay for those worthless, useless shit ? Not to mention, they couldn't even spell house >_> .

Of course that's the same for the ''orginal'' subs. They're not good, they suck, but what can you do against it? pay those fan subbers to make more subs? So that crunchyroll will get license problems?

Also, like how you're saying it or typing it, ''Fan subbers'' they're fans who're subbing anime it, why the hell should crunchyroll pay ''Fan subbers'' ?? And, crunchyroll did take every fansub away, whenever they've asked to do it.

Ha ha, can't even spell hous XD.
But they should get a little for their efforts, I kinda agree with him
Besides, not all of them are useless





Indeed, they should get some credit for their effort, and a few of them are actually quite good. But I think it's nonsense to pay for ''Fan subs''. and this thread is pointless.





spazing_dragon wrote:

weren't fansubbers originally subbing for free? So it's better than not getting payed at all like they used to before :\

Makes sense.
I guess they've just been subbing for a long time and realised that they have value.

Once you realise that you have value, you ask FOR that value.
It's as simple as that

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spazing_dragon wrote:

weren't fansubbers originally subbing for free? So it's better than not getting payed at all like they used to before :\


true, but our friend OP here thinks that subs are headed for a downfall.. that's just plain paranoid
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spazing_dragon wrote:

weren't fansubbers originally subbing for free? So it's better than not getting payed at all like they used to before :\


Finally someone with the brains of a mature lady came in this thread and stated the truth. o3o
Posted 5/22/09
wow I really have got nothing say at all =__=
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