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Are Atheists Empty
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Religion is a way to make the sex-crazed teens go home at night.

What better way to control a country than with fear

"If you don't do this, you're going to hell"

Sorry I don't use big words and look like a giant dickhead so 95% of you don't understand me~
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I prefer to have me own belief system. Everything I do has an equal consequence. No one is anymore empty than anyone else.
I'd rather not waste my time worrying over something like whether I'd go to hell. Frankly, I'd rather continue my life at a molecular level as my recycled cells make up other organisms. Then, I'll turn into iron when the universe implodes. Or has my body sent into space as debris and pushed to have sufficient momentum in order to collide and to blow up Mars. What happens after death, at the spiritual level doesn't matter to me.
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A lot of the time people treat atheism as if it’s a terrible lifestyle that makes all of its adherents miserable. I honestly don’t think so, but then I consider modern atheism a form of religion. Anyway, as an atheist I know that I –did- feel like something was missing. I was miserable, started fighting and vandalizing, all the stuff you expect from a juvenile delinquent. I was also eleven when I converted to atheism and fourteen when I re-converted to Christianity. (I think, I don’t have my life cataloged so sue me.)

I used to extend my experience further than it should be stretched. What I mean to say is that my only understanding of atheistic life was dictated by my own experience therein. However, what I must also consider is that I was a hormonal and rebellious, not to mention insecure yet egotistical, brat. A lot of kids go through that “god’s stupid,” phase-I just took it a bit further. Kind of like whoever writes songs for the band Disturbed except I grew out of it.

Honestly, however, I don’t think this image of atheism is accurate. I think it’s a belief system that people can take comfort in just like any other belief system. I know we’re going to play semantics and say atheism is not a belief system it’s disbelief, but the point remains intact.

People have it in their head that all atheists feel empty inside, but honestly I think that now that I’m more logical and mature, if I were an atheist I’d go on with life feeling much the same way I do now. I wouldn’t bother with petty morality , but really I don’t think my lifestyle would change to profoundly. What’re your thoughts?


What do you mean by "empty?" Lack of morals? Lack of purpose? Lack of consideration for yourself and others?

Anyway, my experience with atheism was the exact opposite of yours, which is why I'm still atheist, and I converted at age 11 also. I actually became more mature, responsible, and considerate of others after becoming atheist. But I think it's because of my personality, since I never went through a "rebellious" phase.

I don't feel "empty" in any way that is related to my world-view.
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I'm pretty apathetic to life in general, but it's not as if I throw away all possibilities and odd explanations for it now, I'm a pretty curious person. I was thinking of following Atheism for a while before, it seemed to make more sense to me than contradicting texts, but I never did choose to follow anything, as a child as well I didn't have a religion, my parents never forced any religion on me, they just taught me the most basic morals, well them and treehouse. Anyways, as humans our majority will have a basic code of morals and ethics, so no matter what religion you are, with a few exceptions, it wouldn't cause you to be empty, so Atheists wouldn't be empty. Unless you take following a belief to a whole knew level, like crazy devout followers, then you'd be fine and nothing would go wrong, then again all of our circumstances would have an effect on it as well.
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riavan wrote:
Just because someone came along, defined some sort of quazi atheism all by himself and wrote a thesis on it so he could get some hearty pats on the back from his champagne sipping colleagues, doesn't mean his view and definition is the end all of truth.

Asking me to believe in God is about the same as asking me to believe in harry potter. But not believing in a God doesn't mean I don't have morals, just because religion has morals, doesn't mean morals are always directly tied to religion. I certainly don't adhere to someone's philosophy, I just do what I want to and what I feel is right.

I don't believe if I hurt someone, even if I had ample reason to, I'd goto hell, or worry about how they'd feel about it, I do however think, I'd goto jail.


Firstly you don't have to be atheist to be a secular humanist, I was introducing a new topic to the thread for others to think on. Secondly who told you they sip campaign, this is clearly conjecture.

I never asked you to believe in God or Harry Potter, and the article about secular humanism actually supports your idea that you don't need God to be a moral person. What are you talking about? No where did I even say that morals are tied to religion, all I can really say is that you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Having any kind of a personal philosophy though seems superior to having a personal commitment to ignorance as you seem to have with your "I do what I want /fingersnaping crap. You sound like a twelve year old mall rat trying to justify being a douchebag. The quip about only worrying bout jail really even worse makes you seem like a psychopath.

I don't believe in hell either, who said anything about hell, if your going to quote someone and make a rebuttal at least try to make some kind of coherent sense you rank amateur.*

*Edit* Be wary of your spell checker!
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Droodika wrote:


riavan wrote:
Just because someone came along, defined some sort of quazi atheism all by himself and wrote a thesis on it so he could get some hearty pats on the back from his champagne sipping colleagues, doesn't mean his view and definition is the end all of truth.

Asking me to believe in God is about the same as asking me to believe in harry potter. But not believing in a God doesn't mean I don't have morals, just because religion has morals, doesn't mean morals are always directly tied to religion. I certainly don't adhere to someone's philosophy, I just do what I want to and what I feel is right.

I don't believe if I hurt someone, even if I had ample reason to, I'd goto hell, or worry about how they'd feel about it, I do however think, I'd goto jail.


Firstly you don't have to be atheist to be a secular humanist, I was introducing a new topic to the thread for others to think on. Secondly who told you they sip campaign, this is clearly conjecture.

I never asked you to believe in God or Harry Potter, and the article about secular humanism actually supports your idea that you don't need God to be a moral person. What are you talking about? No where did I even say that morals are tied to religion, all I can really say is that you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Having any kind of a personal philosophy though seems superior to having a personal commitment to ignorance as you seem to have with your "I do what I want /fingersnaping crap. You sound like a twelve year old mall rat trying to justify being a douchebag. The quip about only worrying bout jail really even worse makes you seem like a psychopath.

I don't believe in hell either, who said anything about hell, if your going to quote someone and make a rebuttal at least try to make some kind of coherent sense you rank armature.



I don't think you really understood what I was trying to say, of course them sipping champange was conjecture, that was the point. lol.

I know you never asked me to believe in anyone, I was just saying that I don't like it when someone comes across and tries to label people just because they feel like it.

Just because I don't live by someone else's suggested morals, or what others may consider to be right, doesn't mean I'm a finger snapping 12 year old mall rat (By the way in Australia no one finger snaps).

The point I was making about Jail, is that you don't need religion to say 'BOO! your going to be punished if you do something wrong!", because the law is there also. Someone else brought that up before, saying that religion teaches people morals and the right way to live and if that wasn't there it would be bad.

I was never really trying to rebut anything you said, just discussing. Some arn't even relevant to what you were saying, more about the topic in discussion in this thread as a whole.

Also, if you're going to try to use big words, spell them right, armature is something from engineering, I think you wanted to type amateur.
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Ignorance may be bliss, but atheism is not ignorance.
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*sigh* Now since when is Atheism systematic? To be an atheist you don't really have to fulfil any criterion other than not believing in God, or gods, or w/e flying spaghetti monster out there. In fact, just by believing in God, doesn't mean that you are actually religious. But once you declare yourself as a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, or w/e the f*ck exists out there, then you are considered religious and a part of a religion.

Note: Believing in God/gods =/= religion

Wikipedia says: A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, God or gods, or ultimate truth

Well, beats me. I've never heard of Atheists having an organised approach to human "spirituality" and make up funny symbols and practices to show how fond they are of their "religion". Oh wait...Atheism =/= religion. Phew, I was almost getting confused right there.

By the by, it's doubtful that the feeling of "emptiness" is bound to just Atheists. I'm pretty sure that even the most hardcore religious twat out there felt at some particular time of his life a sudden emptiness.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:
What do you mean by "empty?" Lack of morals? Lack of purpose? Lack of consideration for yourself and others?

Anyway, my experience with atheism was the exact opposite of yours, which is why I'm still atheist, and I converted at age 11 also. I actually became more mature, responsible, and considerate of others after becoming atheist. But I think it's because of my personality, since I never went through a "rebellious" phase.

I don't feel "empty" in any way that is related to my world-view.


The idea people have is that atheists feel a sense of un-fulfillment and longing, like something’s missing in their life. Supposedly, they go out to search for other things to fill that void with-ego, anger against religion, food, sex, drugs, success… Personally, I needed a sense of purpose. As Richard Dawkins points out without religious concepts/inventions we’re simply biological vehicle, organic robots programmed by evolution. (I have the actually quote on my profile.) I hated this idea, hated the idea of existing just for the sake of existing.

In the end, without divinity or something higher, life on this plane has no meaning because there’s nothing to ascend to. In the end, without some kind of god/god-like entity there’s no good or evil. There are only mechanical actions and their consequences-none of which amount to anything.

Even if you saved somebody’s life you’ve only preserved the condition of an object and allowed it to continue functioning. Secularly, there’s no difference between a fully grown man and an undeveloped fetus-both are masses of organic tissue. That’s what I mean when I say modern atheism-which for me seems synonymous with secular humanism.

Anyway, that’s how I felt. That was my experience with atheism and it left a bad taste on my tongue. I eventually converted to agnosticism and then a form of deism, later making the transition into fundamentalism and finally arriving at the conclusion of mysticism. So, for me I did feel the need to search. I want to know how and why things are the way they are, and I want to do something good. I want to be a good person, but I'm also incredibly hard minded. I accept the truth as it appears to me, and that means that I accept god and evil as religious inventions. So you see, somebody like me couldn't function as an atheist.

But that's my whole point. People who move to atheism and stay do so because that's the system and belief (or lack there of,) that works for them. It's the same with religion.
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I like to see them as half full lol
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Next time you want to start a discussion, don't write out your damn life story. No one cares about it. Instead write an argument rather than going "I was once an atheist, then religious, then agnostic" blah blah blah. I just spent 5 mins reading your posts to end with "WTF... this isn't an argument".

This is the kind of crap you write on facebook so pathetic others can give you pokes or "likes". Doesn't belong in any form of discussions.
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they're not empty.
just need guidance
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:


they're not empty.
just need guidance


Why do we need guidance? What do we need to be guided toward or away from?
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


Ryutai-Desk wrote:


they're not empty.
just need guidance


Why do we need guidance? What do we need to be guided toward or away from?


guidance to not doing wrong stuff
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:

guidance to not doing wrong stuff


Most of us are able to do that on our own. We don't need to be put on a leash and dragged around to have a sense of morality.
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