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guidance to not doing wrong stuff


Most of us are able to do that on our own. We don't need to be put on a leash and dragged around to have a sense of morality.


say it to a prisoner who out and in the jails. They keep doing wrong stuff
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say it to a prisoner who out and in the jails. They keep doing wrong stuff


Their bad deeds have nothing to do with their religion or world-view. I'm pretty sure that, in America at least, most people in jail are at least pseudo-religious, I rarely see a "thug" or "gangster" who doesn't have a chain with a cross on it, or a tatoo of a cross, or something similar, and they are the kind of people most prone to going to jail.

Most atheists don't go to jail, in fact I'm pretty sure that crime rates in atheistic countries are lower than those in America, although it is not necessarily because of their atheism.
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say it to a prisoner who out and in the jails. They keep doing wrong stuff


Their bad deeds have nothing to do with their religion or world-view. I'm pretty sure that, in America at least, most people in jail are at least pseudo-religious, I rarely see a "thug" or "gangster" who doesn't have a chain with a cross on it, or a tatoo of a cross, or something similar, and they are the kind of people most prone to going to jail.

Most atheists don't go to jail, in fact I'm pretty sure that crime rates in atheistic countries are lower than those in America, although it is not necessarily because of their atheism.


I answered to your 'humanity'; stuff not atheism
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I answered to your 'humanity'; stuff not atheism


Well when you said "they" I assumed you meant atheists, since this thread is about them. I agree that most people do need strict moral guidance.
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I answered to your 'humanity'; stuff not atheism


Well when you said "they" I assumed you meant atheists, since this thread is about them. I agree that most people do need strict moral guidance.


say it to prisoners who out and in the jails. They keep doing wrong stuff
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So when you said this:


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they're not empty.
just need guidance


You were talking about prisoners?
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Cuddlebuns wrote:

So when you said this:


Ryutai-Desk wrote:


they're not empty.
just need guidance


You were talking about prisoners?



Cuddlebuns wrote:
Most of us are able to do that on our own. We don't need to be put on a leash and dragged around to have a sense of morality.


us, we = human. Prisoners= human.
getting off the topic indeed, since someone divert it by wrote us, not atheist
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

So when you said this:


Ryutai-Desk wrote:


they're not empty.
just need guidance


You were talking about prisoners?



Cuddlebuns wrote:
Most of us are able to do that on our own. We don't need to be put on a leash and dragged around to have a sense of morality.


us, we = human. Prisoners= human.
getting off the topic indeed, since someone divert it by wrote us, not atheist


By "us" I meant atheists, since I am one. I guess that was my fault for not being clear.
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By "us" I meant atheists, since I am one. I guess that was my fault for not being clear.


Thanks for clearing that .

I personally prefer to avoid this topic. Since it's really hard to convince atheist as God stated in His Holy Book
But God has given us Holy Book to read. Maybe you can just read it.

One more thing. if there's no God. How nature exist?
How rotation of planet can be worked without any fault unlike what humans does(human error)?
How nature can going perfectly without God intervention?
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Cuddlebuns wrote:



By "us" I meant atheists, since I am one. I guess that was my fault for not being clear.


Thanks for clearing that .

I personally prefer to avoid this topic. Since it's really hard to convince atheist as God stated in His Holy Book
But God has given us Holy Book to read. Maybe you can just read it.

One more thing. if there's no God. How nature exist?
How rotation of planet can be worked without any fault unlike what humans does(human error)?
How nature can going perfectly without God intervention?

This thread isn't about proving who's beliefs are right, but whether atheists as a whole feel that their lives are lacking purpose due to their atheism. There's plenty of other threads where people pointlessly toss their beliefs at one another.

I have read the Bible and I even used to be Christian, but then I found many reasons to give up on that.

If I answered those questions, then you would get TL;DR syndrome. Just know that your belief system isn't the only belief system, and that no one's belief system is any more true or correct that anyone else's.

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This thread isn't about proving who's beliefs are right, but whether atheists as a whole feel that their lives are lacking purpose due to their atheism.

There's plenty of other threads where people pointlessly toss their beliefs at one another.

I have read the Bible and I even used to be Christian, but then I found many reasons to give up on that.

If I answered those questions, then you would get TL;DR syndrome.

Just know that your belief system isn't the only belief system, and that no one's belief system is any more true or correct that anyone else's.



Free tl;dr syndrome by doing this.
If you referring to thread question, I've already said they're not empty.

well,
Christian Holy Book was written and modifying by human after all.

I don't believe a guidance should be given by human's hand too.
Creature above us should the one who doing it.
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:

Free tl;dr syndrome by doing this.

I have no idea what you mean by this


If you referring to thread question, I've already said they're not empty.

But you said that they need guidance, so I wanted to know why you think we need guidance.



I don't believe a guidance should be given by human's hand too.
Creature above us should the one who doing it.


Why not? All atheists, including myself, choose our own morals, yet we aren't any better or worse than religious people as a whole. If a higher power was absolutely necessary for moral guidance, then there would be a lot more violence and chaos in atheistic countries, even though it's quite the opposite, they are overall more peaceful than religious countries. If the only way for me to have a sense of morality was to believe in a higher power, then I would be out killing and stealing right now instead of sitting peacefully at home having this discussion.
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Why not? All atheists, including myself, choose our own morals, yet we aren't any better or worse than religious people as a whole.
If a higher power was absolutely necessary for moral guidance, then there would be a lot more violence and chaos in atheistic countries, even though it's quite the opposite, they are overall more peaceful than religious countries.

If the only way for me to have a sense of morality was to believe in a higher power, then I would be out killing and stealing right now instead of sitting peacefully at home having this discussion.


Free tl;dr syndrome by doing this. ( look your previous post above ^ )

Because Humans is just like Light and Darkness. Sometime wrong, sometime right. not a perfect creature.

There is already a power above us. But God only given us guidance to choose... like you, choose your own belief
But there's a path that God given to us. Believe Him.

There's no higher or lower in creatures such as humans. Humans are equal.
Simply took America as example World's police but abuse their power by attacking another countries
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:


Free tl;dr syndrome by doing this. ( look your previous post above ^ )



I still don't know what you mean by this. And while you are correct that humanity as a whole is better off getting their moral guidance from an external source, some of us are able to find moral guidance within ourselves. So a higher power is not absolutely necessary for moral guidance, but deifinitely beneficial for most people.
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:


Free tl;dr syndrome by doing this. ( look your previous post above ^ )


FROM THIS

I still don't know what you mean by this. And while you are correct that humanity as a whole is better off getting their moral guidance from an external source, some of us are able to find moral guidance within ourselves. So a higher power is not absolutely necessary for moral guidance, but deifinitely beneficial for most people.




TO THIS
just give some room

I still don't know what you mean by this.
And while you are correct that humanity as a whole is better off getting their moral guidance from an external source, some of us are able to find moral guidance within ourselves.

So a higher power is not absolutely necessary for moral guidance, but deifinitely beneficial for most people.


yeah. That what I'd like to say values within human lives. They can find it themselves, if they can't, they're not humans.

if there's an absolute power among human. There'll be destruction, humans kill humans.
Any benefits? I don't have any idea about that
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