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Fanfur the Mouse, Hamas, and Palestinian Child Abuse?
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On May 13th of last month Fanfur the Mouse, the Mickey Mouse look-alike star of a children’s show (Tomorrow’s Pioneer) aired weekly on Hamas’ official television station (Al Aqsa Television,) re-appeared to subject Palestinian children to a message that Senator Hillary Clinton described as child abuse. This raises concerns not only because the content but because Fanfur’s past extreme messages of Islamic supremacy and racial superiority over the Jews have drawn the attention of media watch organizations in the past. In response to concerns Palestinian Authority Minister of Information Mustafa Barghouti publically stated that the show would be taken of the air-yet, it is once again targeting children ages 5-12.

Fanfur has been around for a while teaching that Muslims are superior, that terrorism is heroic, and that the Jews are evil. Fanfur blames Jews for a variety of things ranging from why he didn't turn his homework in to international suffering. Fanfur also encourages children to become martyrs and suicide bombers for Allah. He teaches them to hate the Jews and the west, most especially America and to a slightly lesser degree th UK.

Fanfur was originally exposed by PMW. PMW is an organization dedicated to exposing the contradictions between the statements in English to western leaders and the statements in Arabic to the Arab world made by Palestine. Hillary Clinton described PMW director Itamar Marcus as a steadfast leader in the campaign to stop hate inciting propaganda to which Palestinian children are being exposed.

She made this statement during a 2006 press conference with Itamar Marcus and Barbara Cook concerning the content of standard curricula text book in Palestinian grade schools. Hillary Clinton had worked on similar campaigns with Nobel peace prize winner Elie Wiesel and Senator Schumer. Hillary Clinton expressed her concerns, saying that Palestinian children “deserves an education that instills respect for life and peace instead of glorifying death and violence”

There were five chief concerns with the text book content:

First, the text books teach that the war with the Jews is not a national or territorial conflict but rather a religious obligation and part of the Islamic destiny. Mirroring the sentiments expressed in Hamas Charter Article Eleven which states: “The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it,” these text books teach that all of Israel (not Westbank and Gaza, which the textbooks scarcely mention) belongs to the Muslims and most especially the Palestinians who they attest hold a privileged position even amongst the ummah for the terror campaigns against the Jews.

Second, instead of dealing with Israel as an aggressive nation the text book insist that the Jews are an imperial gang of racist, Zionist thieves who’ve stolen and colonized Palestinian land.

Third, on top of denying the legitimacy of Israel the texts books pretend that Israel does not even exist. One example is that maps of modern Palestine include not only Westbank and Gaza but all of Israel with shaded areas for the territory being occupied by “Zionist gangs.” In doing this they act as though there is no Israel but rather mobs of Jews keeping Palestinian Arabs from accessing their own land. Like Hamas, these text books make it very clear that their concern is not reclaiming Gaza and Westbank but rather challenging the foundation of all Israel. They describe the 1948 UN resolution to give areas where Jews were a majority to Jews and where Arabs were a majority to Arabs as the Jews invading and stealing Arab/Muslim territory.

Fourth, the texts books deny the Holocaust often treating it as a Jewish invention. This is actually comparatively moderate considering that Hamas has previously released a documentary claiming that the Holocaust did happen but that it was engineered by the Jews to purge themselves of the weak, sick, and helpless.

Fifth, they divide the world into two sides-the demoniac western world (lead by the UK and US) which consists of imperials and colonialists who support Israeli racism, and the Arab-Islam world. The text books highlight America’s economic support of Israel but neglect to mention that in comparison to America’s economic aid to other countries-many of which are financially and martially more secure than Israel-this aid is a mere pittance. They also conveniently forget that America leads the campaign to bring humanitarian aid to Palestine, and forget the $1.5 billion dollars that the PA has received from America.

Yet, to be honest I think that the text books are the least of the concern. Other forms of media have greater cultural effects and are more aggressive and blatantly racist. Looking back at some of the political ads aired by Hamas during the 2006 elections, and shortly after, I’m once again amazed that the ummah cannot see Hamas as the terrorist organization it is. Hamas released statements that it has been fighting a ribat and a holy war against the Jews since 1948, not 1967. It also announced that the peace agreements are merely temporary periods to allow their soldiers rest and that the Palestinians will never stop their jihad against the Jews until the Jews have been annihilated and driven from the Middle East. The only problem is that this ideology is being forced upon and programmed into the Palestinian people from the time they’re mere children. They are taught to be bigots, taught to hate, taught to view terrorism not as a negative thing but as an honor to the Islamic world. One eleven year old child was interviewed and when asked which was better, becoming a martyr or bringing peace and liberation to the Palestinian people chose the former.




You can watch Fanfur or read more about Senator Clinton’s work with PMW to stop the lies and propaganda at the PMW website:

http://www.pmw.org.il/
http://www.pmw.org.il/getresults/political/index.html#i214759


What are your opinions and response to all of this? Really, I’ve been doing research for a while. As many of you know I’m subscribed to Al-Jazeera English and have an account on the MMRI website-both of which actively attack Israel. MMRI even claims that giving children polio vaccines is un-Islamic because it’s a Jewish conspiracy to corrupt Muslims. It makes the same claims about Tom and Jerry, Pokémon, and Harry Potter. Yet, all of these attempted to appear intellectual and target adult audiences. When I began to discover books, cartoons, and children’s shows targeting children the same age as my nephew I began to wonder if peace could ever be attained. At this rate, the next generation of Palestinians will have an even greater culture of hate.


Edit: I forgot to mention that Fanfur was brutally beaten to death by the Jews and now Tomorrow’s Pioneer has Assud the Rabbit who recently declared that he the Danes and Israel hated the prophet Muhammad, launched an attack on him, and should be eaten. Where the hell that eaten part came from I don't know, but when your children are crying because the Jews killed their version of Barney I guess you've already incited enough hate that your scripts don't have to make sense.
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Why don't you ever make topics on other conflicts? There's much bigger conflicts out there.

Do you have some sort of personal connection with Israel?
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There won't be peace as long as Palestinians Arabs hold to their racist and intolerant views. What is being taught isn't real Islam, but rather a form that they try and push by misinterpreting a few texts. My opinion on all of this is that Hamas not only needs to be destroyed for terrorism, but also for hate speech and pushing an extremely racist agenda. There can't be peace as long as the Palestinians keep a racist and dogmatically zealous terror agenda. an a two state solution exist when one of them believes the only way is genocide and that the other nation is a racist monster? Hamas and the Palestinians who allow this should be ashamed of themselves and brought to justice.
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Yei wrote:

Why don't you ever make topics on other conflicts? There's much bigger conflicts out there.

Do you have some sort of personal connection with Israel?


Oh, don’t you wish? No, I make topics on Israel because there’s a guaranteed audience with which to discuss the issue. There’s you, there’s driza, there’s digs, there are several other users than I’m sure will come into the thread. This is good, because that means we can discuss the topic. By comparison if you go back and look at my thread on abortion, the Kyoto protocol, and various other political conflicts/controversies you see hardly any active discussion. The people who do participate aren’t consistent and so you simply run into people throwing down random opinion posts and not really discussing the issue. Which is fine, but it’s not my interest.



Anyway, let's leave the ad hominem out. Even if I did have a personal interest its irrelevant, what’re your thoughts on the topic?
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There won't be peace as long as Palestinians Arabs hold to their racist and intolerant views. What is being taught isn't real Islam, but rather a form that they try and push by misinterpreting a few texts. My opinion on all of this is that Hamas not only needs to be destroyed for terrorism, but also for hate speech and pushing an extremely racist agenda. There can't be peace as long as the Palestinians keep a racist and dogmatically zealous terror agenda. an a two state solution exist when one of them believes the only way is genocide and that the other nation is a racist monster? Hamas and the Palestinians who allow this should be ashamed of themselves and brought to justice.


Well, it’s not the Arabs. It’s the Arab League. You have to draw a line between the peoples and their governmental bodies. For example, the United Kingdom is a nationalistic government that has up until very late in the 20th century clung to imperialism and colonialism. All around the world major conflicts are in fact the United Kingdom’s fault. Genocide in Africa, war between Muslims and non-Muslims in Sudan, even the war in Israel were all created by the United Kingdom’s peddling in places it doesn’t belong. But, you can’t blame the English people as a whole for that.

But, you comment on the two-state plan interests me. I’ve been considering those recently too. Israel, in my opinion, has no place in Westbank or Gaza. It’s outside of the UN’s original border agreements and requires apartheid to maintain their presence. However, if Hamas’ goal was simply to take the land rightfully belonging to the Palestinians then that’d be one thing and maybe Israel would be more willing to accept the two-state plan. But, when you consider that Hamas just wants to use that land to take the rest of Israel….
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this all sounds strangely familiar, kind of like things like this has happened in the past only it was on a much grander scale, lets see the propaganda against the U.S. and the UK, the persecution of the jews and the teachings that your race is superior to them, I'm almost certain this has happened somewhere before but I can't quite put my finger on it
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this all sounds strangely familiar, kind of like things like this has happened in the past only it was on a much grander scale, lets see the propaganda against the U.S. and the UK, the persecution of the jews and the teachings that your race is superior to them, I'm almost certain this has happened somewhere before but I can't quite put my finger on it


it happens in the usa every day
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blaaps wrote:

this all sounds strangely familiar, kind of like things like this has happened in the past only it was on a much grander scale, lets see the propaganda against the U.S. and the UK, the persecution of the jews and the teachings that your race is superior to them, I'm almost certain this has happened somewhere before but I can't quite put my finger on it


it happens in the usa every day


Propaganda against the U.S and the UK,, the persecution of Jews, and the teachings that your is superior happens everyday in the USA, huh? Care to elaborate?
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


blaaps wrote:

this all sounds strangely familiar, kind of like things like this has happened in the past only it was on a much grander scale, lets see the propaganda against the U.S. and the UK, the persecution of the jews and the teachings that your race is superior to them, I'm almost certain this has happened somewhere before but I can't quite put my finger on it


it happens in the usa every day


Propaganda against the U.S and the UK,, the persecution of Jews, and the teachings that your is superior happens everyday in the USA, huh? Care to elaborate?


i was referring to the Muslim population on faux news and Rush Limbaugh, America would never say anything bad about the Jews unless it's hate website like neo nazi's or kkk etc
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

i was referring to the Muslim population on faux news and Rush Limbaugh, America would never say anything bad about the Jews unless it's hate website like neo nazi's or kkk etc


Looks like you haven't heard of what Obama had to say on the Israel/Palestine subject. Question is, who of the two is the bigger evil?
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote: i was referring to the Muslim population on faux news and Rush Limbaugh, America would never say anything bad about the Jews unless it's hate website like neo nazi's or kkk etc


There’s a profound difference between the topic at hand and your example. The ummah is a religious community but in this context the term Jew is referencing an ethnic group. Besides, I don’t think that I’ve ever seen Fox News or any American media source attack moderate Muslims. It’s the extremists that they go after, and rightfully so.

As far as nobody attacking the Jews, as a religious group, that’s hardly true. Not too long ago there was a controversy because a major radio-show host said “Jews who steal,” and then apologized for being redundant. “The God Delusion,’ which stayed on America’s best seller list for an extended period of time, is critical of all religion but most notably Judaism. It describes the Jewish vision of god as homophobic, xenophobic, racist, sexist, narrow, bellicose, and a long chain of similar such descriptive terms.

In the end, it’s easier to go after Muslims than Jews because the Islamic religion is being hi-jacked by terrorist organizations, like Hamas. People don’t watch the media to see “this moderate group continued being moderate today,” they want to see the trauma, change, and upheaval around the world. It happens that organizations claiming to represent Islam, a lot of them, are providing us with plenty of this kind of material.

It’s like how you hear about the “liberal bias,” of media. Studies show that, yes with Fox as the exception, there’s a clear liberal bias in the media-but OF COURSE there’s a liberal bias. Liberalism represents change from what’s the standard in modern society. Now, yesterdays liberal may be today’s conservative, but whatever is liberal reflects a form noticeable action taking place. Conservatives are more concerned with preserving the rights we currently have, while liberals occupy themselves with extending upon those: thus, liberals represent change.

Obama, represented change and thus put himself in the media. People said that the media was trying to help him win, but I have trouble believing everybody in the media supported Obama. Did you know that Japanese media covered Obama, and that a Japanese air-port sold Obama merchandice. The owner of the air-port explained this by saying, "I don't know anything about Obama, but his image earns money with American tourists." They're just trying to draw attention, and it happens that saying "Look what these people are doing, it's shokcing, you'll never believe it!" is very effective.

That there’s an unfair bias against Muslims in America is obvious. It’s bad and I think we should fight such images. However, I do not think any of this can be in anyway compared to what the Nazi’s did like the Palestinian media can be. For one thing, we’re certainly not targeting children with Fanfur the Mouse of Abbas the Rabbit.

You’re dealing with a whole different level of extremism.
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote: i was referring to the Muslim population on faux news and Rush Limbaugh, America would never say anything bad about the Jews unless it's hate website like neo nazi's or kkk etc


There’s a profound difference between the topic at hand and your example. The ummah is a religious community but in this context the term Jew is referencing an ethnic group. Besides, I don’t think that I’ve ever seen Fox News or any American media source attack moderate Muslims. It’s the extremists that they go after, and rightfully so.

As far as nobody attacking the Jews, as a religious group, that’s hardly true. Not too long ago there was a controversy because a major radio-show host said “Jews who steal,” and then apologized for being redundant. “The God Delusion,’ which stayed on America’s best seller list for an extended period of time, is critical of all religion but most notably Judaism. It describes the Jewish vision of god as homophobic, xenophobic, racist, sexist, narrow, bellicose, and a long chain of similar such descriptive terms.

In the end, it’s easier to go after Muslims than Jews because the Islamic religion is being hi-jacked by terrorist organizations, like Hamas. People don’t watch the media to see “this moderate group continued being moderate today,” they want to see the trauma, change, and upheaval around the world. It happens that organizations claiming to represent Islam, a lot of them, are providing us with plenty of this kind of material.

It’s like how you hear about the “liberal bias,” of media. Studies show that, yes with Fox as the exception, there’s a clear liberal bias in the media-but OF COURSE there’s a liberal bias. Liberalism represents change from what’s the standard in modern society. Now, yesterdays liberal may be today’s conservative, but whatever is liberal reflects a form noticeable action taking place. Conservatives are more concerned with preserving the rights we currently have, while liberals occupy themselves with extending upon those: thus, liberals represent change.

Obama, represented change and thus put himself in the media. People said that the media was trying to help him win, but I have trouble believing everybody in the media supported Obama. Did you know that Japanese media covered Obama, and that a Japanese air-port sold Obama merchandise. The owner of the air-port explained this by saying, "I don't know anything about Obama, but his image earns money with American tourists." They're just trying to draw attention, and it happens that saying "Look what these people are doing, it's shocking, you'll never believe it!" is very effective.

That there’s an unfair bias against Muslims in America is obvious. It’s bad and I think we should fight such images. However, I do not think any of this can be in anyway compared to what the Nazi’s did like the Palestinian media can be. For one thing, we’re certainly not targeting children with Fanfur the Mouse of Abbas the Rabbit.

You’re dealing with a whole different level of extremism.


Believe me I know that all to well, I watch msnbc everyday which favors obama so much but there are some commentators on fox news that believe that the Muslim faith entices violence as a an excuse to hurt or kill people. The same can be said about Christianity about killing in the name in god on some in ends back in the crusades or during the Salem witch trials etc. Also what do you expect the Jewish community contributes a lot of money to the news stations such as Fox, Msnbc, Cnn and so on.
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Believe me I know that all to well, I watch msnbc everyday which favors obama so much but there are some commentators on fox news that believe that the Muslim faith entices violence as a an excuse to hurt or kill people. The same can be said about Christianity about killing in the name in god on some in ends back in the crusades or during the Salem witch trials etc. Also what do you expect the Jewish community contributes a lot of money to the news stations such as Fox, Msnbc, Cnn and so on.


I’m not entirely fond of any organized religious institution, most especially not the Catholic Church. Nevertheless it always bothers me when the church is blamed for the Crusades. The church did not originally support the Crusades; it simply conformed to popular sovereignty. Similarly, I’m bothered when the Muslims are blamed for the crusades. The Muslims certainly didn’t help the situation, but that didn’t give the Catholic armies a right to invade their land.

The Salem Witch Trials is also a poor example. Christianity is commonly blamed for the crises but having studied the history I personally think that the Christian faith had little to do with the real issue. Predominantly, the conflict arose because of two unrelated factors: the town’s precarious political position and a combination of superstitions from Native American and African cultures. Actually, most of the people being targeted and executed were staunch Christians and even clergy men. They were the ones who condemned the Salem Witch Trials and it was for their fervor that they were executed.

One clergyman was made famous when he defended a woman accused of witch craft and was therefore said to have been conspiring with the devil. When he refused to admit any such union with evil they threw him on the ground and began to drop large boulders onto his chest. The tradition was to continuously apply more rocks until the pain became unbearable and the tortured confessed to his crimes. This clergyman simply refused, repeatedly insisting ‘more weight,’ until it actually crushed his chest.

Now, to be honest I’m not sure how this turned into Christianity versus Islam, but if you must know my opinion I don’t think the true form of Islam is dangerous at all. An interesting fact about me: I haven’t read the whole bible, but I finished the Qur’an about a year ago. I was intrigued because I never once got the feeling that “hey, this is hateful material that incites racism.”

Don’t get me wrong. Some verses were frightening on their own, but within the context of the story seemed to be pretty typical. Hamas provides a good example, citing a sura in which Muhammad (PBUH) supposedly calls Muslims to kill Jews. However, when I read the story I didn’t take it like that at all. Muhammad (PBUH) was addressing his men on the brink of a battle with the Jews. He was simply explaining what they needed to do on the battlefield. He was not saying, “Hey, Muslims! Jews are subhuman, murder them!” No, he was telling the people in front of him, “We’re going into a battle with Jews. Kill the other side’s guys before they kill you.”

I also never felt that Jihad was entirely aggressive. Actually, for the longest time I thought hat Jihad was just the internal conflict to choose good over evil. It was not until later that I realized there are two Jihads-the one I mentioned and the less one which amounts to self defense.

Has Jihad been used to justify war? Well, yes, but I mean…DUH. Self defense has been used to justify war throughout history, the difference is that when we cry self defense we say self defense. In the Middle East they cry Jihad, but it’s no different and the wars would’ve happened one way or the other.

I have not read all the Hadith, but I have read some. What I experience from these is that they ARE dangerous. They encourage suicide bombing, FGM, racism, sexism, pretty much everything Islam is unfairly associated with. But, having visited a mosque and talked to Imams about this, most of the Hadith in question are considered by Muslims to be fake, isn’t that right though? Many of the Hadith are unauthenticated and Muslim authorities often call certain Hadith Un-Islamic.

But, this is way off topic. I’m cool with what I view to be the true nature of Islam based on my readings of the Qur’an. The Shiites twisted version of Islam is the only one that seems to be profoundly dangerous.
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Yei wrote:

Why don't you ever make topics on other conflicts? There's much bigger conflicts out there.

Do you have some sort of personal connection with Israel?


Oh, don’t you wish? No, I make topics on Israel because there’s a guaranteed audience with which to discuss the issue. There’s you, there’s driza, there’s digs, there are several other users than I’m sure will come into the thread. This is good, because that means we can discuss the topic. By comparison if you go back and look at my thread on abortion, the Kyoto protocol, and various other political conflicts/controversies you see hardly any active discussion. The people who do participate aren’t consistent and so you simply run into people throwing down random opinion posts and not really discussing the issue. Which is fine, but it’s not my interest.



Anyway, let's leave the ad hominem out. Even if I did have a personal interest its irrelevant, what’re your thoughts on the topic?


Ad hominem..... alright....

You see, I was just curious because I still don't got a clear answer as to why Israel is such a huge issue in US politics and why so many Americans are interested in it. I'll just assume it's government and religious connections.

Anyways, assuming everything you've said is credible info, my thoughts basically are: is this really a surprise? lol so what? This type of behavior or mentality is not really that shocking. People in bad situations can't be expected to all be like Gandhi, right? But you seem to have those sorts of expectations for Palestinians, I think you're overestimating them. They're not going to all be perfect when they're under the conditions they're in.

Jews during and after the Holocaust hated all Germans. Alot told their kids all Germans were all evil monsters and people got in trouble for saying something positive about Germans. But that's to be expected if you understand how people are. Now add in that Muslim/Arab culture is already somewhat antisemitic, what else could you really expect?? In fact it would be a shock if they weren't doing this. And they will continue to have this mentality for as long as they are oppressed by Israel, it's very simple.

I hope Israel decides to stop treating Palestinians so badly and starts considering solutions to this conflict instead of just occasionally massacring Palestinian children and hoping that will put them in their place. Otherwise it will only get worse.

Both sides obviously have to change but I look at Palestinians and see a group of people who have been screwed over in 1948, 1967 and literally lost everything, they've have been abused. massacred and just brutally oppressed for decades. And they are still an oppressed and imprisoned people. So I don't expect them to take the Gandhi approach to this situation. I think it should be expected that they fire rockets and do other crazy things because of what Israel has done to them. Put people in crazy situations and they'll do crazy things, this is normal human behavior. You expect far too much from them, it's like you're not realizing they're people.

And more importantly, who has the real power to change things? Let's see, Palestinians are a poor, desperate and imprisoned group of people with little to no support from anywhere. Israel is a well-developed, rich and powerful country with infinite support from the US, and not imprisoned. And you expect Palestinians to take the first initiative in solving this? Israel is supposed to be the responsible and rational side, and yet they've managed to become greater terrorists than Palestinians could ever be.

Yep, that's what I think. And honestly, I'm really getting tired of this topic.
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