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Human Nature-Good, Evil, or Neutral
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I was wondering what some of your opinions are on human nature. Some people are under the impression that we are all born altruistic and faultless without an ounce of evil in us. They feel that people are eventually corrupted by the world around them. I’m of the opposite opinion. I think that people are naturally evil and that it is society’s responsibility to teach them decency.

In my opinion, people are naturally: ignorant, foolish, earthy, perverse, selfish, sadistic, bellicose, egotistical, self serving, self centered, conniving, lying, thieving, bitter, vengeful creatures. We learn morality from those who teach us, but I very much think that if we were solitary creatures we’d all run around like savage animals.

My opinion is based on psychological research as well as personal observation. I think that if you look at an infant or a toddler you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about. Statistics show that an oddly large number of us come into the speaking world with the word: no. There’s a very irritating stage of child development called the ‘mine stage.’ Interestingly enough this is not a cultural development. Regardless of where a child is born he or she will probably go through a stage in which he/she wants and takes everything.

Eventually we’re taught to share, but that’s not until our parents or peers intervene. Naturally, we expect the universe to revolve around us.

Even as adults we’re forced to battle our earthly, ignorant, and evil impulses. I rather theorize that if we didn’t place the cultural taboo on rape, for example, people would continue forcing each other into sex. Without the cultural value of freedom we enslave each other.

As a matter of fact, research has recently found that people actually enjoy watching other people suffer, even if they know they shouldn’t. We have to cognitively and actively turn ourselves away from delighting in the suffering of another. This involuntary pleasure in the misfortune of others is called schadenfreude, and it is a part of our very nature. We observe it in children, who love watching bugs bunny lure Elmer Fud into tumbling pits of agony. Children, who start hitting each other long before they fully understand the depth of human suffering.

Alas, this is all theory and there are other options. Christianity teaches that we bear the consequence and corruption of sin from our forefathers. On the other hand no such concept of original sin exists in Islam. Some philosophers feel that humans are born good, others say evil, and still others neither. Some, nihilists for example, believe there is no such thing as evil. Indeed, morality is a religious invention and with mere secular you’re simply left with action and reaction. There are many who will fervently argue that people are born blank and grow to be good or evil based on experience. Some say that we’re defined by our own thought process, others say it’s the influence of others. What is your opinion?
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'Evil and good is created by people wen they gather together into groups. ' In order to develup a standerd to live by.

So in my opinion people are not good or bad. it is the people around them that judge and create the standerd for if one is good or evil.

I also like to point out Animals live by a form of morality as well. They do not harm there kids or there families, nore there nabers. They work as a team to survive in the world around them, as hurding animals are selfs we take after tham. And create are own morality to live by just like they have.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'Evil and good is created by people wen they gather together into groups. ' In order to develup a standerd to live by.

So in my opinion people are not good or bad. it is the people around them that judge and create the standerd for if one is good or evil.

I also like to point out Animals live by a form of morality as well. They do not harm there kids or there families, nore there nabers. They work as a team to survive in the world around them, as hurding animals are selfs we take after tham. And create are own morality to live by just like they have.


Where did you get the idea that animals don’t harm their offspring or neighbors? Even chimpanzees will eat their offspring whenever they’re hungry. Dolphins occasionally start clicking up a jaunt and nose-bombing their children to death. Researches aren’t exactly sure why they do this, but the most recent studies suggest that they think it is fun. That’s right; they’re beating their offspring and neighbors to death for shits and giggles. Honestly, if you find me an animal that WON’T eat its own baby if it is hungry enough I’ll be surprised.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'Evil and good is created by people wen they gather together into groups. ' In order to develup a standerd to live by.

So in my opinion people are not good or bad. it is the people around them that judge and create the standerd for if one is good or evil.

I also like to point out Animals live by a form of morality as well. They do not harm there kids or there families, nore there nabers. They work as a team to survive in the world around them, as hurding animals are selfs we take after tham. And create are own morality to live by just like they have.


Where did you get the idea that animals don’t harm their offspring or neighbors? Even chimpanzees will eat their offspring whenever they’re hungry. Dolphins occasionally start clicking up a jaunt and nose-bombing their children to death. Researches aren’t exactly sure why they do this, but the most recent studies suggest that they think it is fun. That’s right; they’re beating their offspring and neighbors to death for shits and giggles. Honestly, if you find me an animal that WON’T eat its own baby if it is hungry enough I’ll be surprised.


Well cannibalism is common in the animal kingdom, its also part of human nature too, so its not too surprising to hear about that.

But here's an interesting question in morality,a serial killer who kills criminals, good or bad ? Personally i'd say go for it, I'd support that.
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people are born sinful, then they must be baptized. that is according to the bible and a tradition of Christianity. but, what can a mere baby do bad? cry and annoy their parents? PEOPLE, in my opinion, are not born SINFUL. I believe they are just influenced or corrupted by their environment as they grow up. The environment is a big factor in growing up. If the people around you, as you grow older, are assholes/shitheads/retards, what might happen to the child? There is a huge possibility the child will be like them. But for some reasons, this "common" theory could also be implausible. How? I don't know, may be it's their own will if they want to become good or bad. But i don't know some cases like that, i don't even know if that "will" exists on their own.
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I believe humans have an innately evil nature. We are evil sinful beings that are selfish and prideful at the core. We are capable of doing good, but innately we are evil due to sin.
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Allhailodin wrote:
Well cannibalism is common in the animal kingdom, its also part of human nature too, so its not too surprising to hear about that.

But here's an interesting question in morality,a serial killer who kills criminals, good or bad ? Personally i'd say go for it, I'd support that.


Cannibalism is in human nature? Do you have a source for me, I’ve never heard that. I wouldn’t be surprised or anything, just curious. As far as your question, have you been watching Death Note or Righteous Kill? Well, I don’t believe anybody has the right to judge anybody because nobody understands the circumstances of anybody else as well as the individual in question. It’s kind of presumptuous, don’t you think? To assume that if you were thrown into their shoes and experienced your life through their skin you wouldn’t wind up doing the exact same thing. Which isn’t to say you wouldn’t, but until you can prove that you’re perfect, who are you to judge somebody else? Alas, we’re divulging from the topic at hand. So, do you think-based on your personal moral perspective-people are born good, evil, neutral, or something else?
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I believe we're all good at heart. None was borned with a knife in their hand. However, due several factors that affects one, such as personal experience, circumstances, and the condition or be it pressure, desire or whatever else, they might have turned evil.

I would say most people is good at heart, in a way. And, sometimes, people have to do bad things because they are forced to due to their own reasons. Of course it is a choice, every action is, but to do something bad for something good is a tough decision.
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Allhailodin wrote:
Well cannibalism is common in the animal kingdom, its also part of human nature too, so its not too surprising to hear about that.

But here's an interesting question in morality,a serial killer who kills criminals, good or bad ? Personally i'd say go for it, I'd support that.


Cannibalism is in human nature? Do you have a source for me, I’ve never heard that. I wouldn’t be surprised or anything, just curious. As far as your question, have you been watching Death Note or Righteous Kill? Well, I don’t believe anybody has the right to judge anybody because nobody understands the circumstances of anybody else as well as the individual in question. It’s kind of presumptuous, don’t you think? To assume that if you were thrown into their shoes and experienced your life through their skin you wouldn’t wind up doing the exact same thing. Which isn’t to say you wouldn’t, but until you can prove that you’re perfect, who are you to judge somebody else? Alas, we’re divulging from the topic at hand. So, do you think-based on your personal moral perspective-people are born good, evil, neutral, or something else?


Well I read something a while back that said survival cannibalism is innate human nature, or most people will resort to cannibalism in order to survive if they have to.


http://history.howstuffworks.com/historians/cannibalism.htm

If someone was killing criminals, he/she would have my full support. I would have no problem with that.

People judge people all the time, it happens every day, its a rather common occurance actually, so whats the problem if someone decided to judge criminals of his/her own accord. One, it could prevent countless crimes that those people might have and probably would have commited, 2, it could save lives, as any one of those criminals this guy/girl killed could have gone on to kill someone or quite a few people.

In my mind that's a win win situation. Although I don't much care who lives and who dies or who kills who in the first place as long as it's not someone i care about, so that's part of the reason I'd have no problem with it.


And to be honest if i had a death note i probably would use it on a few people, out of curiosity in the beggining, but if i could kill people and remain undetected i probably would based on the logic, why not ? If i can, and remain undetected at the same time, why not ? What do i have to loose ? get to kill people i don't like, and remain undetected at the same so why not ? Although I wouldnt do it on such a large scale as light, just a few people every now and then, or if someone pissed me off. Seems like it ought to kill some boredom at the very least. Most of the time i have nothing better to do anyway. Writing names in a death note would kill the time i recently seem to have a lot of.
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Allhailodin wrote:
Well I read something a while back that said survival cannibalism is innate human nature, or most people will resort to cannibalism in order to survive if they have to.


Okay, well now I actually know what you’re talking about. It’s not so much that cannibalism in innate human nature so much as that when pushed into extreme conditions any animal can be made to behave in ways outside of its nature and this includes human beings. Most people would resort to cannibalism, that’s true. You see, whenever you’re starving your body starts to shut down unnecessary functions. Only the very most basic systems are kept going. Your heart and lungs are safe but most of your brain simply turns off. Eventually you will have the cognitive abilities of a primitive reptile and will no longer consider the source of your food. You will no longer be capable of considering the source of your food. You will simply attempt to eat everything in your way, tossing aside inedible objects and moving onto the next. Throw in another, helpless human being, and you will probably begin to devour them…because, it’s not a human, it is just meat.


If someone was killing criminals, he/she would have my full support. I would have no problem with that.

People judge people all the time, it happens every day, its a rather common occurance actually, so whats the problem if someone decided to judge criminals of his/her own accord. One, it could prevent countless crimes that those people might have and probably would have commited, 2, it could save lives, as any one of those criminals this guy/girl killed could have gone on to kill someone or quite a few people.

In my mind that's a win win situation. Although I don't much care who lives and who dies or who kills who in the first place as long as it's not someone i care about, so that's part of the reason I'd have no problem with it..


That’s fascistic law enforcement, a lot like those police officers who brutally beat a black man who was suspected to have information on a kidnapped child. When put through a court of law the man was actually found innocent and ignorant, having no connection to the kidnapping: but given the circumstances of the officers their belief was completely logical. The evidence suggested that the man was involved, and it was until more evidence came into view on a later date that they were given any reason to think anything else.

You cannot allow one person the power to decide who has the right to live and who does not. The risk involved in this is far greater than the risk in simply letting the serial killers go and holding up the regular law enforcement measures. This being said I’m against capital punishment in general, even with a trail that proves them guilty. I favor pulling an England (even though I hate the United Kingdom even more than North Korea,) and finding a nice, uncharted island and tossing all our criminals down there.
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I think it's pretty silly to put a measure of good or bad into a lump of flesh, organs, cells, organelles, proteins and atoms. Which is essentially what we are without thoughts and feelings, and whether we have those prior to birth is debatable. However, humans are response mechanisms, and seeing as how responses are a feedback of perceived input, and how a person's nature is then judged by his responses, you can't have 'nature' without 'input' first.

The harshness of reality pushed us, and we pushed back, towards reality and towards our fellow human beings. We had to, or we'd all be dead already.

Are humans by nature cunning and sly backstabbers? Or ruthless murderers? I don't think so. But are we capable of them? Surely. And does the world lure us into doing those things? Most definitely. However does that make them 'good' or 'bad'? I'm not so sure.

Although if you're bent on imposing the notions of good and bad onto an inevitability, go right ahead. It just seems kind of silly to me that we feel the need to justify ourselves so desperately when we eliminated entities who cause society to dysfunction, after all that in itself is an inevitability as well.
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excalion wrote:

I think it's pretty silly to put a measure of good or bad into a lump of flesh, organs, cells, organelles, proteins and atoms. Which is essentially what we are without thoughts and feelings, and whether we have those prior to birth is debatable. However, humans are response mechanisms, and seeing as how responses are a feedback of perceived input, and how a person's nature is then judged by his responses, you can't have 'nature' without 'input' first.


Actually, live birth has absolutely nothing to do with a child’s neurological development. Birth is only significant on a cultural perspective, but research has shown that by 32 weeks a fetus is fully developed in every aspect including its ability to think. Even in earlier stages fetuses demonstrated mental capabilities. This has given way to a movement called progressivism, which holds that as the fetus develops more cognitive capability its moral significance rises. I’m not sure that I agree or disagree.

As far as rather a not a fetus can think before birth being debatable, however, that is simply false. Even at six weeks the 'child' has demonstrates some mental ability as it emits brain waves. Fetuses begin forming bonds, dreaming, thinking, exploring, and demonstrating intellectual curiosity long before birth. Studies show that in certain stages fetuses even enjoy listening to soothing music, or hearing familiar voices. They even enjoy being told stories.

I do agree with you in that it’s silly to attach terms like ‘good’ or ‘evil’ to a lump of organic material. A zygote is no more morally significant than a rock, in my opinion. This, however, is an entirely religious opinion. Without religion there is no significant value to human life. Good and evil are religious inventions. Looking at the world from a strictly secular, honest, and logical perspective there are only actions and reactions. As Richard Dawkins put it in his “The Selfish Gene,”:

“We are survival machines-robot vehicle blindly programmed to preserve the selfish molecules known to us as genes.”


You may watch "The Silent Scream," a video made by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, an internationally known obstetrician and gynecologist. I think he may have later converted to some religion, prolly Christianity, but at the time of the video he was an extroversive atheist. He also cofounded the NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League). Bernard Nathanson even owned and operated what was at that time the largest abortion clinic in the western hemisphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNo_0cW-ek
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It depends ! there's a lots of good ppl n' bad ppl out there but still we're all human =.='
in my opinions that's human got a lots of bad personalities there's a lots of bad ppl n'
i'm kinda scared that humans will kill their self =.='
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Humans must never forget their dark side.

Thats what 4chan is for.


"without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes"

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We are not inherently good or bad, our actions are perceived to be good or bad by other people. While you see the "mine" stage that children go through as a display of intrinsic human selfishness, which is generally harmful to society, I see it as the child expressing their self-preservation instincts, which would be beneficial if we all lived independently in the wild. To you it is "evil" and to me it is just instinct, and to someone else it may just be a child who doesn't know any better. It's all about perception.

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