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What is the difference between a religion and a cult?
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'I was just think out loud to my self about just that today, and what did I come up with? '

In my opinion a religion just have a bigger group of people than what a cult does.
they both use brainwashing of children in most cases and in more than half the religions out there even resort to threats or violence to get people to fallow there ideals. So in my opinion religions are cults just larger cults.

There might be a religion that does not try to go after young undeveluped brains of small children, inorder to worp there minds, but I have not seen one yet that did not do so.

What is your opinion what the Difference between a religion and a cult?
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I cult usually revolves around one leader, they tend to be very extreme and highly extortional. Cults brainwash and usually (not all, but many) are directly against Christianity and in favor of satanic principals. Most cults have some form of magic or spiritual meditation.

And not all religion brainwashes children or uses threats of violence :\ I really don't see how hating of religion adds to the discussion of how they are different from cults. We could say all things try to brainwash children and all parents do. Kids aren't wise enough or mature enough to understand metaphysics and spiritual things, so their parents teach them what they believe. Kids are too young and naive (usually) to understand what religion and God really are, and to not instruct them on anything will only confuse them when they hear about God and other beliefs.
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First of all, DON'T USE RED! it's fcking hard to read!

Second, it depends on the child whether he believes or not to the religion itself. It's not really brainwashing, in Catholicism , that is. :blink:

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'I was just think out loud to my self about just that today, and what did I come up with? '

In my opinion a religion just have a bigger group of people than what a cult does.
they both use brainwashing of children in most cases and in more than half the religions out there even resort to threats or violence to get people to fallow there ideals. So in my opinion religions are cults just larger cults.

There might be a religion that does not try to go after young undeveluped brains of small children, inorder to worp there minds, but I have not seen one yet that did not do so.

What is your opinion what the Difference between a religion and a cult?


Would you like to know the generally accepted answer that you’ll find printed in text books?

First, what you should know is that the word cult is misused by the media. The actually term has a neutral meaning that does not necessarily imply the negative connotations attached to the term in most English speaking cultures. Second, a cult is in fact a religion. Asking what the difference between a religion and a cult is a bit like asking what the difference between an assault rifle and an AK-74u is.

According to Stark and Brainbridge’s typology a cult is a full on organized movement that requires conversion and does not allow dual allegiances to other organizations. They can be further defined into other categories. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all cults.


Cults can also be further classified based on other factors. Some cults, such as Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are concentrically constructed around the central teachings of one major person or prophet. Other cults, such as scientology, offer spiritual services in exchange for vast sums of money which are distributed amongst a body of officials. L Ron Hubbard, for example, made himself rich with scientology. This is called a client cult. There are also audience cults and other such sub-categories of cult.
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Yeah there pretty much the same thing most cults however are more hardcore in the sense of you leaving them or believing other things than them but other then that there the same thing
Posted 6/13/09
What Seraph said.

Just recently some pseudo intellectual on here tried to persuade me that I misused the word religion on Scientology, that Scientology is just a cult and no religion, so to say. He wouldn't want to give up...and continued trying to find flaws in my text...; talking about some kid who just can't admit defeat. *sigh*
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A cult usually requires a drinking of kool-aid (usually containing poison).
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Cult = brainwash teaching, usually teaches wrong way
Religion = Pure teaching, always teaches good way
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Religion and cults doesn't differ that much. It's only that the former is more widely accepted than the latter.
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:

Cult = brainwash teaching, usually teaches wrong way
Religion = Pure teaching, always teaches good way


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Ryutai-Desk wrote:

Cult = brainwash teaching, usually teaches wrong way
Religion = Pure teaching, always teaches good way


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hohoho~ that's the definition in my region. It might very different on other parts of the world. hoho~
I don't really have understanding in this matter~, I think i don't have right to post here ~ sob sob sob
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What Seraph said.

Just recently some pseudo intellectual on here tried to persuade me that I misused the word religion on Scientology, that Scientology is just a cult and no religion, so to say. He wouldn't want to give up...and continued trying to find flaws in my text...; talking about some kid who just can't admit defeat. *sigh*


Well, if you’re using the academic definition all cults are religions, but not all religions are cults…just most of them. That actually reminds me of a true and yet somehow still interesting story that took place in one of my favorite nations: Canada. You all know I like Canada, I’m always talking about how great it is. Anybody who’s logical will love Canada. The basic formula is: Liberal drug laws+ legal prostitution + all nude dancing + Shania Twain = totally awesome. I’m seriously not bashing Canada, but this really did happen and it’s not a rare occurrence.

A young man making a public speech offhandedly described scientology as a cult, and as you know this particular cult doesn’t like being called a cult. So, whenever discussing the cult that is scientology you can’t call it a cult even though it’s a cult. I like using the word cult here because it’s an anonymous source and the cult’s lawyers can’t do anything about me calling their cult a cult. Unless of course they find out how to track my IP address, in which case I’m screwed.

Anyway! Some scientologist got ticked and pressed charges for verbal abuse and totally won, because in Canada you’re not allowed to be controversial apparently. So, this young man-who made an innocent statement of fact –was actually arrested because somebody didn’t like him calling a cult a cult. That this is illegal in Canada makes me want to laugh. Then again, I’m from Germany where you can get arrested for lifting your middle finger in somebody’s direction. Luckily, in Germany you can also walk around naked so if you’re a guy you have something else to lift if you’re pissed off. Then again, German law enforcers can beat you within an inch of your life at their discretion so I wouldn’t screw around.

Now, I’m not quite sure how I got this off topic: it’s the dam red bull, I swear. The point is that there are multiple forms of the word cult. The only time you’ll find somebody using it in the context I describe is in fact while reading text books. The word as used by the media does seem to have developed a distinct definition completely independent form that employed by books like Mary Pat Fisher’s “Living Religions.” (That was my post for my last source if anyone is curious.)

Now here’s what I want to hit you up with. Friedrich Nietzche (whose name is a pain in the ass to spell,) is an atheistic German philosophy who gathered a group of puppets, I mean followers, and eventually created: Nietzchianism which is defined as a cult. So, it’s an atheistic cult...but a cult is a religion, so does that make it an atheist religion? Yeah, your brain just flip over in your head? Fucking paradox.
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I cult usually revolves around one leader, they tend to be very extreme and highly extortional. Cults brainwash and usually (not all, but many) are directly against Christianity and in favor of satanic principals. Most cults have some form of magic or spiritual meditation.

And not all religion brainwashes children or uses threats of violence :\ I really don't see how hating of religion adds to the discussion of how they are different from cults. We could say all things try to brainwash children and all parents do. Kids aren't wise enough or mature enough to understand metaphysics and spiritual things, so their parents teach them what they believe. Kids are too young and naive (usually) to understand what religion and God really are, and to not instruct them on anything will only confuse them when they hear about God and other beliefs.


We can switch this all around you know
So you say a cult usually revolves around one leader
Well Christianity revolves around God
Christianity is a monotheistic, meaning one leader who is worship
Christians are brainwashed into thinking that anyone whose practice that does not follow their doctrine will all go to "hell".

Every religion brainwashes children, it's the level of brainwashing that is important. If you grew up in a strong Christian household then you are most likely to be religious at one point or another and have your values defined by what you have been taught. Values that God will be pleased with.

Personally I think children would be less confused if they didn't hear about God and other beliefs until they are older and want to belong to a religion. They won't be confused by whether or not they please this being that does or does not exist. The Bible is confusing enough with all the contradiction it has. Kids will just eat anything up if that pleases their parents, they just want the acceptance.
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digs wrote:

I cult usually revolves around one leader, they tend to be very extreme and highly extortional. Cults brainwash and usually (not all, but many) are directly against Christianity and in favor of satanic principals. Most cults have some form of magic or spiritual meditation.

And not all religion brainwashes children or uses threats of violence :\ I really don't see how hating of religion adds to the discussion of how they are different from cults. We could say all things try to brainwash children and all parents do. Kids aren't wise enough or mature enough to understand metaphysics and spiritual things, so their parents teach them what they believe. Kids are too young and naive (usually) to understand what religion and God really are, and to not instruct them on anything will only confuse them when they hear about God and other beliefs.


We can switch this all around you know
So you say a cult usually revolves around one leader
Well Christianity revolves around God
Christianity is a monotheistic, meaning one leader who is worship
Christians are brainwashed into thinking that anyone whose practice that does not follow their doctrine will all go to "hell".

Every religion brainwashes children, it's the level of brainwashing that is important. If you grew up in a strong Christian household then you are most likely to be religious at one point or another and have your values defined by what you have been taught. Values that God will be pleased with.

Personally I think children would be less confused if they didn't hear about God and other beliefs until they are older and want to belong to a religion. They won't be confused by whether or not they please this being that does or does not exist. The Bible is confusing enough with all the contradiction it has. Kids will just eat anything up if that pleases their parents, they just want the acceptance.


Christians aren't brainwashed. I am a Christian because I choose to be one, in fact before I was Christian I was atheist. Parent's raise their children with the knowledge of the Bible, just like how atheist parents tell their children there is no God. It's not brainwashing, it's education. And we aren't brainwashed into thinking anyone who isn't Christian goes to hell, we choose to believe it because it's in the Bible. This isn't intolerance, but truth for us, which is why we are to show Christ's love to the world. So they may see Christ in us and choose to be saved from hell and sin. The Bible teaches that we choose to go to hell, and that every provision has been made so that we can be forgiven from sin and go to heaven.

What is your definition of brainwashing? People do tend to have values based on how they are raised, is that wrong? Christians, Muslims, atheists, they all raise their kids with the values that they hold to be true. That isn't brainwashing, it's parenting.

I think kids should learn about God as children. If they have no instruction or beliefs then anyone can take control of them and give them impressions of God that either aren't true, or dangerous. Kids have questions like how the universe was created, if God exists, and so on. Parents should answer their questions with what is right. Kids aren't intellectuals, they go for what appeals to them. They aren't going to make rational decisions on their own, which is why parents parent.
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digs wrote:


Swedie wrote:


digs wrote:

I cult usually revolves around one leader, they tend to be very extreme and highly extortional. Cults brainwash and usually (not all, but many) are directly against Christianity and in favor of satanic principals. Most cults have some form of magic or spiritual meditation.

And not all religion brainwashes children or uses threats of violence :\ I really don't see how hating of religion adds to the discussion of how they are different from cults. We could say all things try to brainwash children and all parents do. Kids aren't wise enough or mature enough to understand metaphysics and spiritual things, so their parents teach them what they believe. Kids are too young and naive (usually) to understand what religion and God really are, and to not instruct them on anything will only confuse them when they hear about God and other beliefs.


We can switch this all around you know
So you say a cult usually revolves around one leader
Well Christianity revolves around God
Christianity is a monotheistic, meaning one leader who is worship
Christians are brainwashed into thinking that anyone whose practice that does not follow their doctrine will all go to "hell".

Every religion brainwashes children, it's the level of brainwashing that is important. If you grew up in a strong Christian household then you are most likely to be religious at one point or another and have your values defined by what you have been taught. Values that God will be pleased with.

Personally I think children would be less confused if they didn't hear about God and other beliefs until they are older and want to belong to a religion. They won't be confused by whether or not they please this being that does or does not exist. The Bible is confusing enough with all the contradiction it has. Kids will just eat anything up if that pleases their parents, they just want the acceptance.


Christians aren't brainwashed. I am a Christian because I choose to be one, in fact before I was Christian I was atheist. Parent's raise their children with the knowledge of the Bible, just like how atheist parents tell their children there is no God. It's not brainwashing, it's education. And we aren't brainwashed into thinking anyone who isn't Christian goes to hell, we choose to believe it because it's in the Bible. This isn't intolerance, but truth for us, which is why we are to show Christ's love to the world. So they may see Christ in us and choose to be saved from hell and sin. The Bible teaches that we choose to go to hell, and that every provision has been made so that we can be forgiven from sin and go to heaven.

What is your definition of brainwashing? People do tend to have values based on how they are raised, is that wrong? Christians, Muslims, atheists, they all raise their kids with the values that they hold to be true. That isn't brainwashing, it's parenting.

I think kids should learn about God as children. If they have no instruction or beliefs then anyone can take control of them and give them impressions of God that either aren't true, or dangerous. Kids have questions like how the universe was created, if God exists, and so on. Parents should answer their questions with what is right. Kids aren't intellectuals, they go for what appeals to them. They aren't going to make rational decisions on their own, which is why parents parent.



So you do not put the fear of hell in there heads?
You do not tell the kids that only kids who believe in god go to heaven?
you do know when older people tell them things like that, it affects the kids, they learn to think of everything told to them as the truth.
That is why Kids believe in the easter Bunny, Santa, and the tooth fairy. Becouse there older people told them so.
So yes You are brain washing them, by telling them that hell is real and that heaven is the only place that will save you from that.
You are forcing your Ideals into little kids heads. This is Brainwashing.
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