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And when did the UN ask them to do that?


Meant US, sorry. But, the US isn't alone. It's all the heavy hitters of the UN, though I don't know if the UN has released an official request. I can’t help but notice you didn’t address the rest of the post. Does that mean that you’re conceding that Hamas doesn’t want peace or that you’re refusing to accept that even though you don’t have a counter argument?


You mean what Hamas' charter says? I'm sure there's alot of your regular extremist Muslim stuff in there, but they've already accepted the 2-state plan, so all that stuff about getting rid of the Jews seems like it was just there for show. And wait, if the US/Israel made Hamas in around 1987, how could they suddenly let them get so radical? What was the US and Israel's purpose for creating Hamas?

Ron Paul says they did it to get rid of Arafat, but they didn't really look too far ahead.
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You mean what Hamas' charter says? I'm sure there's alot of your regular extremist Muslim stuff in there, but they've already accepted the 2-state plan, so all that stuff about getting rid of the Jews seems like it was just there for show. And wait, if the US/Israel made Hamas in around 1987, how could they suddenly let them get so radical? What was the US and Israel's purpose for creating Hamas?

Ron Paul says they did it to get rid of Arafat, but they didn't really look too far ahead.


You really buy that stuff? Israel didn’t create Hamas and neither did the United States. Hamas branched off from theIslamic Brotherhood which had been leading a humanitarian campaign in Palestine on Israeli-US funding. Israel encouraged them but did not create them, actually the came from Egypt.

http://story.africaleader.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/b8de8e630faf3631/id/474945/cs/1/
http://www.ujc.org/page.aspx?id=64336


Israel works on a very elementary reward and punishment system concerning Palestine, Gaza, and Palestinian movements. They were rewarding Hamas for humanitarian aid and peace efforts. Hamas at that time had renounced armed conflict in order to build up power and get grass root support before attacking Israel.
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Its a all out war between Israel and US. I wonder if their relationship can stay long.

What if US suddenly break ties with Israel? What will be the outcome? And Israel will be on heir own, they will get bullied by Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. Nuke missles will likely to fly around, and many lives will be vanished instantly.


You seriously believe Israel with her advance weaponry would actually get buillied by Iran who lacks an air force? Iran would be stupid if they attacked Israel thats very suicidal. israel can wipe that country out in two seconds. The only nuke missles that will be flying around will come from Israel because they are the only ones with it in that region.


Wait Iran doesnt have any nuke missles? There must be a couple of them hidden somewhere in the country where even the US intelligence agencies could not notice it. I'm doubt that world war 3 can happen anytime soon in the mid east. Obama is sure full of stress now, he has to handle Israel relationship with care or else the Israel will do it own their own.


Yea do a google search on what the IEIA had to say about ran. They gave them surprise visits as well and still found no nukes thus Iran can continue creating nuclear energy. Even our own CIA if you google as well says no nukes and if Iran were to develop them it would take years. Dude this is just Iraq all over again trust me the media drives it propaganda against Iran to make Americans hate them. We attack with our chests sticking out shouting WHOOOO-RAH!!! Once we get inside the country no nukes, now we stay there forever like we are in Iraq. If you watch the US media 24/7 it is about Irans elections I mean who gives thats not our country why are we covering it like that. I will tell you why to get Americans mad that Irans former president (I cant spell his name) will reign again. Having said that what are we worried about they arent a threat to us nor Israel. Israel can destroy that country. Also if you look at history what country has Iran invaded and occupied? Are they even doing this behavior now?
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Yei wrote:

You mean what Hamas' charter says? I'm sure there's alot of your regular extremist Muslim stuff in there, but they've already accepted the 2-state plan, so all that stuff about getting rid of the Jews seems like it was just there for show. And wait, if the US/Israel made Hamas in around 1987, how could they suddenly let them get so radical? What was the US and Israel's purpose for creating Hamas?

Ron Paul says they did it to get rid of Arafat, but they didn't really look too far ahead.


You really buy that stuff? Israel didn’t create Hamas and neither did the United States. Hamas branched off from and Islamic Brotherhood leading a humanitarian campaign in Palestine on Israeli-US funding. Israel encouraged them but did not create them, actually the came from Egypt.


Yeah, I remember you saying Hamas started out as a humanitarian aid group supported by Israel and the US. One of the founders was of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ron Paul says Israel/US encouraged them so they could get rid of Arafat:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6vMAoFwf4

Alright, so they started off with the regular Muslim extremism, but now obviously they have some more sense because they accept the 2-state plan. If they really still followed their original extremist Muslim ideas, they wouldn't have this mentality now.
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Yeah, I remember you saying Hamas started out as a humanitarian aid group supported by Israel and the US. One of the founders was of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ron Paul says Israel/US encouraged them so they could get rid of Arafat:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6vMAoFwf4

Alright, so they started off with the regular Muslim extremism, but now obviously they have some more sense because they accept the 2-state plan. If they really still followed their original extremist Muslim ideas, they wouldn't have this mentality now.


Ron Paul says a lot of things. I’d like to discuss his theories with him but these claims are common place and I’ve heard them before. I’ve done the research myself and came to the conclusion that there’s no historical evidence for the claim that Israel, the US, the CIA, or Mossad created Hamas.

As far as Hamas having changed, there’s no evidence of that claim whatsoever. It’s possible, don’t get me wrong. In English Hamas says that it will be happy with peace and the two-state-plan. In Arabic, however, the message changes.


“The "calmness" is not a complete halt of the fire; it's a temporary emergency base for rest…” Khaled Marshal in an interview with Al-Arabbiya TV


“The majority of Palestinian prisoners are…from the Palestinian Parliament. They are civilians and political leaders, not military…” Khaled Marshal, Chairman of Hamas in a Sky News interview.

“The Palestinian nation will continue [….]despite all pressure[…] and will not under any circumstances stop its jihad.” -Khaled Mashal, Chairman of Hamas.

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded. Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.” -Khaled Mashal, Chairman of Hamas.

“The Nation of Islam will sit at the Throne of the world and the west will be full of remorse --when it is too late.” -Khaled Mashal at a mosque in Damascus.

“They do not understand the Arab or Muslim mentality, which rejects the foreigner.”-Khaled Mashal at a mosque in Damascus.

“Allah willing, we will make them lose their eyesight, we will make them lose their brains,”-Khaled Mashal at a mosque in Damascus.


“Reconciliation with Jews is crime,” -Ahmed Yassin, co-founded/ex-leader of Hamas.

“[Israel,] must disappear off the map.” -Ahmed Yassin
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They also refuse to amend their charter, even though it’s costing billions in humanitarian aid to Palestine. The idea that they have a mentality of peace comes from their English statements, but when they’re constantly contradicting themselves in Arabic it’s hard to trust those, especially when you see their children’s show. Fanfur the Mouse and Abba the Rabbit. Fanfur the Mouse preached to children that they must kill the Jews and that dying to destroy the Jews was an Islamic obligation. He praised suicide bomber and blamed the Jews for everything from missing homework to world conflicts. Then the show replaced him with a bugs-bunny clone, saying that “Fanfur was killed by the Jews,” and even though Hamas-in English-promised to stop airing the show PMW exposed that it is in fact still today being aired on their official television station.

There are still Hamas missiles flying from Palestine into Israel at random intervals, so this leads me to think that there are only two possible conclusions:

Hamas means what it says in English and what it says in Arabic is just for show.
Hamas means what it says in Arabic and what it says in English is just for show.

Now, we have no real way to know which. The logical conclusion would be to remain agnostic, but when you consider the corruption and history of Hamas, as well as Khaled’s hatred of the Jews (Ahmed is dead making Khaled the dictator of Hamas,) and the fact that they’re recalcitrant, and the fact that aggressions haven’t stopped….well, the later seems more likely to me.
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Yei wrote:
Yeah, I remember you saying Hamas started out as a humanitarian aid group supported by Israel and the US. One of the founders was of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ron Paul says Israel/US encouraged them so they could get rid of Arafat:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6vMAoFwf4

Alright, so they started off with the regular Muslim extremism, but now obviously they have some more sense because they accept the 2-state plan. If they really still followed their original extremist Muslim ideas, they wouldn't have this mentality now.


Ron Paul says a lot of things. I’d like to discuss his theories with him but these claims are common place and I’ve heard them before. I’ve done the research myself and came to the conclusion that there’s no historical evidence for the claim that Israel, the US, the CIA, or Mossad created Hamas.

As far as Hamas having changed, there’s no evidence of that claim whatsoever. It’s possible, don’t get me wrong. In English Hamas says that it will be happy with peace and the two-state-plan. In Arabic, however, the message changes.


“The "calmness" is not a complete halt of the fire; it's a temporary emergency base for rest…” Khaled Marshal in an interview with Al-Arabbiya TV


“The majority of Palestinian prisoners are…from the Palestinian Parliament. They are civilians and political leaders, not military…” Khaled Marshal, Chairman of Hamas in a Sky News interview.

“The Palestinian nation will continue [….]despite all pressure[…] and will not under any circumstances stop its jihad.” -Khaled Mashal, Chairman of Hamas.

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded. Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.” -Khaled Mashal, Chairman of Hamas.

“The Nation of Islam will sit at the Throne of the world and the west will be full of remorse --when it is too late.” -Khaled Mashal at a mosque in Damascus.

“They do not understand the Arab or Muslim mentality, which rejects the foreigner.”-Khaled Mashal at a mosque in Damascus.

“Allah willing, we will make them lose their eyesight, we will make them lose their brains,”-Khaled Mashal at a mosque in Damascus.


“Reconciliation with Jews is crime,” -Ahmed Yassin, co-founded/ex-leader of Hamas.

“[Israel,] must disappear off the map.” -Ahmed Yassin
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They also refuse to amend their charter, even though it’s costing billions in humanitarian aid to Palestine. The idea that they have a mentality of peace comes from their English statements, but when they’re constantly contradicting themselves in Arabic it’s hard to trust those, especially when you see their children’s show. Fanfur the Mouse and Abba the Rabbit. Fanfur the Mouse preached to children that they must kill the Jews and that dying to destroy the Jews was an Islamic obligation. He praised suicide bomber and blamed the Jews for everything from missing homework to world conflicts. Then the show replaced him with a bugs-bunny clone, saying that “Fanfur was killed by the Jews,” and even though Hamas-in English-promised to stop airing the show PMW exposed that it is in fact still today being aired on their official television station.

There are still Hamas missiles flying from Palestine into Israel at random intervals, so this leads me to think that there are only two possible conclusions:

Hamas means what it says in English and what it says in Arabic is just for show.
Hamas means what it says in Arabic and what it says in English is just for show.

Now, we have no real way to know which. The logical conclusion would be to remain agnostic, but when you consider the corruption and history of Hamas, as well as Khaled’s hatred of the Jews (Ahmed is dead making Khaled the dictator of Hamas,) and the fact that they’re recalcitrant, and the fact that aggressions haven’t stopped….well, the later seems more likely to me.



Ron Paul is probably one of the only republican politicians I've ever liked, you can tell he's good because all the other republicans hate him.

Anyways, from what Hamas says to Obama:
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/hamas-on-peace-and-international-law/



We in the Hamas Government are committed to pursuing a just resolution to the conflict not in contradiction with the international community and enlightened opinion as expressed in the International Court of Justice, the United Nations General Assembly, and leading human rights organizations. We are prepared to engage all parties on the basis of mutual respect and without preconditions.

However, our constituency needs to see a comprehensive paradigm shift that not only commences with lifting the siege on Gaza and halts all settlement building and expansion but develops into a policy of evenhandedness based on the very international law and norms we are prodded into adhering to.


There seems to be some very, very rational and moderate Hamas members and leaders, and some other crazy ones at the same time. But from what the highest leadership is saying, Hamas seems to be ready for peace and the 2-state plan.
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Yei wrote
There seems to be some very, very rational and moderate Hamas members and leaders, and some other crazy ones at the same time. But from what the highest leadership is saying, Hamas seems to be ready for peace and the 2-state plan.


Khalid Marshal is the highest. Look it up for yourself. He's the founded, and while he listens to advice from other members, he ultimately calls the shots.

http://www.palestine-studies.org/journals.aspx?id=9980&jid=1&href=fulltext
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He doesn't appear to be an anti-Semite.
He's just incompetent, this came at no surprise.
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drizza wrote:


azera wrote:


drizza wrote:


azera wrote:

Its a all out war between Israel and US. I wonder if their relationship can stay long.

What if US suddenly break ties with Israel? What will be the outcome? And Israel will be on heir own, they will get bullied by Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. Nuke missles will likely to fly around, and many lives will be vanished instantly.


You seriously believe Israel with her advance weaponry would actually get buillied by Iran who lacks an air force? Iran would be stupid if they attacked Israel thats very suicidal. israel can wipe that country out in two seconds. The only nuke missles that will be flying around will come from Israel because they are the only ones with it in that region.


Wait Iran doesnt have any nuke missles? There must be a couple of them hidden somewhere in the country where even the US intelligence agencies could not notice it. I'm doubt that world war 3 can happen anytime soon in the mid east. Obama is sure full of stress now, he has to handle Israel relationship with care or else the Israel will do it own their own.


Yea do a google search on what the IEIA had to say about ran. They gave them surprise visits as well and still found no nukes thus Iran can continue creating nuclear energy. Even our own CIA if you google as well says no nukes and if Iran were to develop them it would take years. Dude this is just Iraq all over again trust me the media drives it propaganda against Iran to make Americans hate them. We attack with our chests sticking out shouting WHOOOO-RAH!!! Once we get inside the country no nukes, now we stay there forever like we are in Iraq. If you watch the US media 24/7 it is about Irans elections I mean who gives thats not our country why are we covering it like that. I will tell you why to get Americans mad that Irans former president (I cant spell his name) will reign again. Having said that what are we worried about they arent a threat to us nor Israel. Israel can destroy that country. Also if you look at history what country has Iran invaded and occupied? Are they even doing this behavior now?


US reputation will crashed down to the drain once more. They still didnt learn the mistake that led the US into Iraq. And unfortunately Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is still the President Of Iran lol. No matter what Iran has never occupied any country, like you said. They even have never threaten US before in history. And now out of the sudden the US are concentrating their attention to Iran. I think either the arms industry or the oil & gas industry is behind all this, they pushing obama too hard. Iran has oil, and war is a profit for the arms industry. Doesnt that make sense afterall?
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Awesome. Yeah obama probably is an anti-semite, after all his pastor is remember ? Wouldn't be going to a church with an anti-semite pastor if he wasn't an anti-semite himself now would he ?


Erm.......Just because you know someone who is a bigot or friends with them doesn't automatically makes you a bigot I know a few people who are racist against white people. Does that make me a bigot? No and neither does it makes Obama a bigot for knowing his pastor.

I don't worship Obama or think that he is a "messiah" but these fabrications about him are really starting to get annoying.......

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Awesome. Yeah obama probably is an anti-semite, after all his pastor is remember ? Wouldn't be going to a church with an anti-semite pastor if he wasn't an anti-semite himself now would he ?


Yeah, and his father was Muslim. So it's actually pretty obvious, I guess.


Evidently you don't know the difference between ethnicity and religion. It's pretty obvious that Obama is a CHRISTIAN. Just because you have a person in your family of a certain religion doesn't automatically mean you are part of it. My grandmother is Catholic yet I'm an Atheist. The same goes for Obama. Sure his father's a Muslim but it doesn't automatically make Obama a Muslim, right? I really don't understand your logic here, Yei(And you are normally a pretty sensible person.)

I understand why you don't like Obama but I wouldn't advise degrading yourself by believing in those infantile accusations about him.It's so beneath you.
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Yei wrote:


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Awesome. Yeah obama probably is an anti-semite, after all his pastor is remember ? Wouldn't be going to a church with an anti-semite pastor if he wasn't an anti-semite himself now would he ?


Yeah, and his father was Muslim. So it's actually pretty obvious, I guess.


Evidently you don't know the difference between ethnicity and religion. It's pretty obvious that Obama is a CHRISTIAN. Just because you have a person in your family of a certain religion doesn't automatically mean you are part of it. My grandmother is Catholic yet I'm an Atheist. The same goes for Obama. Sure his father's a Muslim but it doesn't automatically make Obama a Muslim, right? I really don't understand your logic here, Yei(And you are normally a pretty sensible person.)

I understand why you don't like Obama but I wouldn't advise degrading yourself by believing in those infantile accusations about him.It's so beneath you.


It was a joke, because Allhailodin is never serious anyways lol
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Allhailodin wrote:

Awesome. Yeah obama probably is an anti-semite, after all his pastor is remember ? Wouldn't be going to a church with an anti-semite pastor if he wasn't an anti-semite himself now would he ?


Erm.......Just because you know someone who is a bigot or friends with them doesn't automatically makes you a bigot I know a few people who are racist against white people. Does that make me a bigot? No and neither does it makes Obama a bigot for knowing his pastor.

I don't worship Obama or think that he is a "messiah" but these fabrications about him are really starting to get annoying.......



That's true, but how about if i ask you this, If you were a christain, who believed in the typical christain stuff, would you go to a satanic church ? Yes or no ? And if not why not ?


Same concept applies here, Why would obama go to a church with a pastor who preaches all the shit he does, including the anti semetic stuff, if obama doesn't believe in that stuff himself ? Same reason why many christains have a tendency to not go to satanic churches. Sure he might not agree with everything that pastor whatever says, but then again he's been going to that church for a while, and honestly how hard is it to pick another church ? There are churches everywhere, its not hard to pick a new one. So with that said, if obama doesn't believe in the stuff, why hasn't he either stopped going, or picked a new church yet ?
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And so? People just call someone whatever they like, what if Obama favors the Israelis, then the Palestinians will brand him as anti-Arab, Arab hater etc? Why don't they just settle their grievances with a game of pong?
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Actually, according to a new study around 20% of the US population believe Obama is muslim.

WHERE did this come from? Don't say it's that mosque thing cause that didn't help fo sho, but the idea was around before that.
WTF folks, he's not even Asian??

Source; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11027568
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