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^ Lol. Still the neo-con conspirator...

Recognize the Iranian people did not vote Ahmadinejad in.
Save all your blind nonsense about that bastard and perhaps your hypocrisy will end?

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This is the only thing CNN has been talking about, they keep repeating the same things over and over. I've noticed Canadian news doesn't even spend half the time US news does on the subject.

This is definitely the media's brainwashing mode. And now there's been bombings and buildings being set on fire, but they don't know by who....

In Venezuela, when protesters were being shot at by snipers, and they didn't know who it was, so the people blamed it on Chavez. And it turned out the US organized it to try to get rid of Chavez. Watch the movieThe Revolution Will not be Televised to see how the exact same thing happened in Venezuela.
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sebastianthepinkrabbit wrote:

^ Lol. Still the neo-con conspirator...

Recognize the Iranian people did not vote Ahmadinejad in.
Save all your blind nonsense about that bastard and perhaps your hypocrisy will end?



Exactly my point this is why this country will never move foward because we accept ignorance. You probably dont even know what a neo con is. Anyways about the Iran elections I believe it could have been corrupt but thats for that country to handle I really dont care about it. There is much more important things to talk about then another countries election 24/7. I can see if this country made threats to us or even attacked us but they havent. Man talk about this shit 5 minutes a day and report something else please but this shouldnt be shown every time i turn my tv on.
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drizza wrote:


sebastianthepinkrabbit wrote:

^ Lol. Still the neo-con conspirator...

Recognize the Iranian people did not vote Ahmadinejad in.
Save all your blind nonsense about that bastard and perhaps your hypocrisy will end?



Exactly my point this is why this country will never move foward because we accept ignorance. You probably dont even know what a neo con is. Anyways about the Iran elections I believe it could have been corrupt but thats for that country to handle I really dont care about it. There is much more important things to talk about then another countries election 24/7. I can see if this country made threats to us or even attacked us but they havent. Man talk about this shit 5 minutes a day and report something else please but this shouldnt be shown every time i turn my tv on.


Of course you don't care about the Iranian people's liberty - but you constantly complain about the rights of other Muslims / Arabs (Yes, 90%+ you can generalize). Yes, knowing what a neo-con is soooo hard . Do you know actually what hypocrisy is?

I don't watch or care about MSM.
I am 100% sure this is newsworthy - frequency, saturation of it is up to that certain news media.
You are free to turn it off.
Posted 6/21/09

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If the neo cons and the media can brainwash the public like they did Iraq I wouldn't be surprised. You can tell by some of the responses on the middle east threads they are doing a good job at it. Iran is now the new enemy and you wouldn't believe how terrified many Americans are from their leader it is ridiculous. This man came to our universities and went on the media numerous times stating he has no issues with Americans. I have yet to see this man attack any other country or put any Jew in a concentration camp. The only attacking/invdading being done is by the west. But the media keeps repeating over and over with no proof that he is developing a nuclear weapon. If the brain hears something over and over again he is tuned to believe it. Just like how every time they mentioned Iraq they mentioned WMD's. The average
American will not do any research to see how many people refuted this idea and the evidence supporting it. Due to our ignorance we are now into this war that shouldn't have started in the first damn place. Man I tell you when will the hypocrisy end.


i just hope there will be change in iran drizza, i don't think the media is deominzing them but that depends on who you watch all the usa wants is for the iran people to have more freedom etc but the iran people have to fight for themselves to get it. I think that it is horrible of what they are doing to there own people with gun downs and so on but that's just me. I don't think there will be a war in iran but who knows that's the over for the zealots to decided a pointless war with iran but i find it unlikely now, besides Obama is that type of person to go to war and you can't trick or brainwash me that eaisly. Hell i hope i don't get in trouble for this but even i set up proxy servers for some people so they can post pics and vidoes online to show what's going on since the election.
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Fubura1992 wrote:
Why don't other world power countries try to help too instead of depending only the U.S to help the situation?


They don't like the policeman role much.
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Are the Iranian Election Protests Another US Orchestrated ‘Color Revolution’?

By Paul Craig Roberts

June 20, 2009 "Information Clearing House" -- -A number of commentators have expressed their idealistic belief in the purity of Mousavi, Montazeri, and the westernized youth of Terhan. The CIA destabilization plan, announced two years ago (see below) has somehow not contaminated unfolding events.

The claim is made that Ahmadinejad stole the election, because the outcome was declared too soon after the polls closed for all the votes to have been counted. However, Mousavi declared his victory several hours before the polls closed. This is classic CIA destabilization designed to discredit a contrary outcome. It forces an early declaration of the vote. The longer the time interval between the preemptive declaration of victory and the announcement of the vote tally, the longer Mousavi has to create the impression that the authorities are using the time to fix the vote. It is amazing that people don’t see through this trick.

As for the grand ayatollah Montazeri’s charge that the election was stolen, he was the initial choice to succeed Khomeini, but lost out to the current Supreme Leader. He sees in the protests an opportunity to settle the score with Khamenei. Montazeri has the incentive to challenge the election whether or not he is being manipulated by the CIA, which has a successful history of manipulating disgruntled politicians.

There is a power struggle among the ayatollahs. Many are aligned against Ahmadinejad because he accuses them of corruption, thus playing to the Iranian countryside where Iranians believe the ayatollahs' lifestyles indicate an excess of power and money. In my opinion, Ahmadinejad's attack on the ayatollahs is opportunistic. However, it does make it odd for his American detractors to say he is a conservative reactionary lined up with the ayatollahs.

Commentators are "explaining" the Iran elections based on their own illusions, delusions, emotions, and vested interests. Whether or not the poll results predicting Ahmadinejad's win are sound, there is, so far, no evidence beyond surmise that the election was stolen. However, there are credible reports that the CIA has been working for two years to destabilize the Iranian government.

On May 23, 2007, Brian Ross and Richard Esposito reported on ABC News: “The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert “black” operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell ABC News.”

On May 27, 2007, the London Telegraph independently reported: “Mr. Bush has signed an official document endorsing CIA plans for a propaganda and disinformation campaign intended to destabilize, and eventually topple, the theocratic rule of the mullahs.”

A few days previously, the Telegraph reported on May 16, 2007, that Bush administration neocon warmonger John Bolton told the Telegraph that a US military attack on Iran would “be a ‘last option’ after economic sanctions and attempts to foment a popular revolution had failed.”

On June 29, 2008, Seymour Hersh reported in the New Yorker: “Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership.”


The protests in Tehran no doubt have many sincere participants. The protests also have the hallmarks of the CIA orchestrated protests in Georgia and Ukraine.
It requires total blindness not to see this.

Daniel McAdams has made some telling points. http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/027782.html For example, neoconservative Kenneth Timmerman wrote the day before the election that “there’s talk of a ‘green revolution’ in Tehran.” How would Timmerman know that unless it was an orchestrated plan? Why would there be a ‘green revolution’ prepared prior to the vote, especially if Mousavi and his supporters were as confident of victory as they claim? This looks like definite evidence that the US is involved in the election protests.

Timmerman goes on to write that “the National Endowment for Democracy has spent millions of dollars promoting ‘color’ revolutions . . . Some of that money appears to have made it into the hands of pro-Mousavi groups, who have ties to non-governmental organizations outside Iran that the National Endowment for Democracy funds.” Timmerman’s own neocon Foundation for Democracy is “a private, non-profit organization established in 1995 with grants from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), to promote democracy and internationally- recognized standards of human rights in Iran.”
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My thoughts as I am doing more research on this issue because I always take my media as a grain of salt. This is a perfect opportunity for the US/Israel to cause civil unrest and destabilize this region. Think about it we dont like this country, this information is being displayed all day I mean come on put two and two together. I will fill you guys in more my dad is helping me out a lot of this one. So much shit behind the scenes it reminds me of the recent Russia/Georgia conflict and how much information wasnt being told to us.

Hey guys check out Israels response, "Iran is wrong for their human rights treatment and we dont support that" LMAO wait is this coming from the same country who is continuely occupying and stealing another countries land? A country who restricts water, electricity, blocks aid from Palestine? A country who gots people soo hungry they are eating grass and is attacking their economy? Bulldozing peoples houses to move your own people in? Come Israel at least shut up because you guys are under many humanterian violences and UN resolution violations.

So much more to say about this topic check this out Mottaki says West 'dramatizing' riots!!!! http://www.presstv.ir/detail/98663.htm?sectionid=351020101
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 i set up proxy servers for some people so they can post pics and vidoes online to show what's going on since the election.


~ Free anonymizing VPN access at Xerobank.com to all Iranians and journalists, to help protect their free speech during these times. Please spread the word. They can contact [email protected] ~
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drizza wrote:

Are the Iranian Election Protests Another US Orchestrated ‘Color Revolution’?

By Paul Craig Roberts

June 20, 2009 "Information Clearing House" -- -A number of commentators have expressed their idealistic belief in the purity of Mousavi, Montazeri, and the westernized youth of Terhan. The CIA destabilization plan, announced two years ago (see below) has somehow not contaminated unfolding events.

The claim is made that Ahmadinejad stole the election, because the outcome was declared too soon after the polls closed for all the votes to have been counted. However, Mousavi declared his victory several hours before the polls closed. This is classic CIA destabilization designed to discredit a contrary outcome. It forces an early declaration of the vote. The longer the time interval between the preemptive declaration of victory and the announcement of the vote tally, the longer Mousavi has to create the impression that the authorities are using the time to fix the vote. It is amazing that people don’t see through this trick.

As for the grand ayatollah Montazeri’s charge that the election was stolen, he was the initial choice to succeed Khomeini, but lost out to the current Supreme Leader. He sees in the protests an opportunity to settle the score with Khamenei. Montazeri has the incentive to challenge the election whether or not he is being manipulated by the CIA, which has a successful history of manipulating disgruntled politicians.

There is a power struggle among the ayatollahs. Many are aligned against Ahmadinejad because he accuses them of corruption, thus playing to the Iranian countryside where Iranians believe the ayatollahs' lifestyles indicate an excess of power and money. In my opinion, Ahmadinejad's attack on the ayatollahs is opportunistic. However, it does make it odd for his American detractors to say he is a conservative reactionary lined up with the ayatollahs.

Commentators are "explaining" the Iran elections based on their own illusions, delusions, emotions, and vested interests. Whether or not the poll results predicting Ahmadinejad's win are sound, there is, so far, no evidence beyond surmise that the election was stolen. However, there are credible reports that the CIA has been working for two years to destabilize the Iranian government.

On May 23, 2007, Brian Ross and Richard Esposito reported on ABC News: “The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert “black” operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell ABC News.”

On May 27, 2007, the London Telegraph independently reported: “Mr. Bush has signed an official document endorsing CIA plans for a propaganda and disinformation campaign intended to destabilize, and eventually topple, the theocratic rule of the mullahs.”

A few days previously, the Telegraph reported on May 16, 2007, that Bush administration neocon warmonger John Bolton told the Telegraph that a US military attack on Iran would “be a ‘last option’ after economic sanctions and attempts to foment a popular revolution had failed.”

On June 29, 2008, Seymour Hersh reported in the New Yorker: “Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership.”


The protests in Tehran no doubt have many sincere participants. The protests also have the hallmarks of the CIA orchestrated protests in Georgia and Ukraine.
It requires total blindness not to see this.

Daniel McAdams has made some telling points. http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/027782.html For example, neoconservative Kenneth Timmerman wrote the day before the election that “there’s talk of a ‘green revolution’ in Tehran.” How would Timmerman know that unless it was an orchestrated plan? Why would there be a ‘green revolution’ prepared prior to the vote, especially if Mousavi and his supporters were as confident of victory as they claim? This looks like definite evidence that the US is involved in the election protests.

Timmerman goes on to write that “the National Endowment for Democracy has spent millions of dollars promoting ‘color’ revolutions . . . Some of that money appears to have made it into the hands of pro-Mousavi groups, who have ties to non-governmental organizations outside Iran that the National Endowment for Democracy funds.” Timmerman’s own neocon Foundation for Democracy is “a private, non-profit organization established in 1995 with grants from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), to promote democracy and internationally- recognized standards of human rights in Iran.”


This video speaks a million words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRwUZ-u6KFo

Do you think its all true that CIA has been planning all year long to get rid of anti-west Ahmadinejad and install a new western puppet Mohsavi in?

This is so interesting.......
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What a surprise, the CIA is involved. Literally the exact same scenario as Venezuela.
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Like I said what makes this interesting about this event is we are witnessing brainwashing/proganda in its purest form. The fact that I can turn to my news outlets and see the anchors saying, "America needs to do something, Obama needs to be more involved, If he is now the presidents peace talks will be put on HOLD." Anything to avoid peace and get our country involved yes our politicians are ready to push our brave Americans into yet another foriegn adventure with a country who did nothing to us. Will you fall for it again? Can you see through the smoke? I will always say it thank God for the internet without it we all be sheep to our government.

@ Azera yes I believe so this is how our country works if we have no puppet arab leader then they are the enemy and we remove them. We did this to Iraq now Iran and my bet is Syria will be the next target.

Now the only positive outcome of this is technology it is amazing. People are able to still stream whats happening via social networking sites, cellphones, satellite TV and digital camrecorders. Whatever the outcome of this event it would surely send a powerfull message around the world. The media is no longer in the government hands but in the people in the case of Iran trying to suppress all media they cannot stop the new media from getting in the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11B_CTF5JvQ George Galloway on this issue he is very knowledgeable of their government and how it works. He takes callers questions including the ones regarding the violence thats happening because of the protests.
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Call out the hypocrisy when ya see it. What happened in our protests in this country? What did we do to the African Americans who protested in the past we hosed them down and beat them.

Obama Pot Calls Iranian Kettle Black
Criminalizing Dissent
By DAVE LINDORFF

President Barack Obama, referring to the violent attacks on protesters against the controversial election results in Iran’s just-completed presidential election, this week lectured Iran’s government, saying, “Peaceful dissent should never be subject to violence.”

Referring to the tens and hundreds of thousands of frustrated and angry Iranians who have taken to the streets accusing Iranian authorities of rigging the election in favor of incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Obama said that “the Iranian people and their voices should be heard and respected."

But there is a certain hypocrisy going on here.

Just days ago, the ACLU of Northern California issued a <a href=”http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2009/06/10/defense-department-sees-protests-as-terrorism/”>press release</a> announcing that it had filed a complaint over a Pentagon anti-terrorism training manual. That training manual, aimed at Pentagon personnel, describes domestic protests as “low-level terrorist activity.”

As Staff Attorney Ann Brick and ACLU Washington National Security Policy Council member Michael German write in their complaint letter to the Department of Defense, “For the DoD to instruct its employees that lawful protest activities should be treated as ‘low-level terrorism’ is deeply disturbing in and of itself. It is an even more egregious insult to constitutional values, however, when viewed in the context of a long-term pattern of domestic security initiatives that have attempted to equate lawful dissent with terrorism.”

The ACLU has documented that the government has been and continues a policy of spying on legitimate peaceful protest organizations—particularly those that have been opposing America’s wars and its military policies, and the new president has said nothing and done nothing about terminating this egregious assault on First Amendment freedom of speech and assembly. Given that President Obama has also done nothing since taking office to undo the USA PATRIOT Act, which codifies much activity that traditionally would have been called dissent as a crime, or to publicly reverse the policy of the last eight years during which non-violent protest organizations have been spied on and infiltrated by agents of the military and by the FBI, and during which actual protesters have been harassed, penned into fenced-off “free speech zones,” assaulted by armed police and arrested, his pontificating to Iran about the sanctity of dissent rings particularly hollow.

Imagine, if you will, what this government’s response would be to having hundreds of thousands of American protesters gather in the center of Washington, DC without a permit, to protest the policies of the national government. There would be riot police in the thousands, some mounted on horseback. There would be federal troops. There would be police charges against demonstrators. There would be tear gas and arrests.

How do we know this? It happens every time there are major protests in Washington—even when protests are granted permits.

This writer spent three days in the Federal Detention Center at Occoquan, VA, back in 1967 for participating in a peaceful anti-war protest at the Pentagon that year. I was one of hundreds at that event who found himself, as a peaceful demonstrator, confronting armed federal troops with fixed bayonets at that event. Not much has changed since ‘67, as others have met the same fate over the years in Washington and around the country. Certainly there is every reason to assume that, if the public finally loses patience over the current administration’s continuation of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, its failure to really tackle the health care crisis, and its limp response to the economic crisis, and if people descend on Washington or perhaps New York City en masse to protest, those people will be met with the same kind of draconian, police-state style response that protesters have met in the past--or that protesters are being met with in Iran today.

If the Pentagon is teaching its people to equate protest with “low-level terrorism,” how different, really, is Washington from Tehran?

Dave Lindorff is a Philadelphia-based journalist and columnist. His latest book is “The Case for Impeachment” (St. Martin’s Press, 2006 and now available in paperback). He can be reached at [email protected]
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Iran Had a Democracy Before We Took It Away

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Source: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090622_iran_had_a_democracy_before_we_took_it_away/
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The US is concerned about Iran because whoever is elected will have a great influence on what will happen in the Middle East especially regarding Iraq. In the end, the Americans are just too fearful that there may be a day that all the sins they've committed to the world will go back at them.
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