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ONE FUTURE, you can't change it, your born with it.
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Do not read this if you get confused easily (lack of brain power)



There is only one future
If the proposed future did not come to pass, then it was not the future
therefore the future will all ways be the future and you cannot change it

In a persons life, the events that take place are his/her future
if not, well then it is not their future

The only thing that effects a persons future/ outcome/ actions is the body and mind they're born with
and where they are born, the place they are born cannot be changed, neither is it the child's choice
because everything they do in the future will always come to pass, it is and always will be the future

All the external factors to your choices and dessicions were all part of the future
Everything you do, was all decided the moment you we're born
and everything that happens later in life is the effect of external forces that were gonna happen anyway.
There is no such thing as free will

The only way you can change your future, is change who you are when you are born, your very essence.
and if you are a believer in god, well then he controls who you are born as
therefore he controls your future and judges you for his choice






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That may be true for some unfortunate people, but most people actually decide their future themselves. So it's not decided when you are born, it's decided when you make the decisions that will affect your future.
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Yei wrote:

That may be true for some unfortunate people, but most people actually decide their future themselves. So it's not decided when you are born, it's decided when you make the decisions that will affect your future.


yea but what dictates your decisions??
If the answer is you
well then who are ' you' ?, the person you're born as?
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Yei wrote:

That may be true for some unfortunate people, but most people actually decide their future themselves. So it's not decided when you are born, it's decided when you make the decisions that will affect your future.


yea but what dictates your decisions??
If the answer is you
well then who are ' you' ?, the person you're born as?


What your born with is only a very small factor of who you end up as, the sum of all your experiences throughout life play a much larger role. And many of the decisions you make or things that happen to you in life can be random or out of your control, and that's not decided when you're born either.

But I get what you're trying to say about how God can't judge people because of this. If God is fair he'll judge people on their actions and morality with alot of consideration of their life situation. And if that's the case, most people would ultimately be innocent and only did the bad things they did because of how they were raised and their past experiences.
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Daniel9878


Everything you do, was all decided the moment you we're born


By who?


and everything that happens later in life is the effect of external forces that were gonna happen anyway.


Like what?


There is no such thing as free will


Why not?

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absolute fate................. Where are your sources to back this up???? What the future holds is a complex system of odds and algorythms. Nothing is completely set in stone.
Posted 6/24/09
There is no past

There is no future

Only present - Of which it always is
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Daniel9878 wrote:

Do not read this if you get confused easily (lack of brain power)



There is only one future

therefore the future will all ways be the future and you cannot change it

In a persons life, the events that take place are his/her future
if not, well then it is not their future

The only thing that effects a persons future/ outcome/ actions is the body and mind they're born with
and where they are born, the place they are born cannot be changed, neither is it the child's choice
because everything they do in the future will always come to pass, it is and always will be the future

All the external factors to your choices and dessicions were all part of the future
Everything you do, was all decided the moment you we're born
and everything that happens later in life is the effect of external forces that were gonna happen anyway.

The only way you can change your future, is change who you are when you are born, your very essence.
and if you are a believer in god, well then he controls who you are born as
therefore he controls your future and judges you for his choice






how can we choose wat we r born into? we couldnt have believed in god b4 cuz we didnt exist b4 birth then again there is no god only an awefully convenient lie we tell ourselves to make heads or tails of our reality


If the proposed future did not come to pass, then it was not the future

who gives the proposed future? the future cant b decided until it becomes the present and past


There is no such thing as free will


wat we r doin now is free will


we choose wat happens in the future which we like it or not... the only thing that is certain is that we will all die
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You can change the future when you really want to because you never know what written in your future.

For "God cannot judge you " conclusion, this is absolutely irrational.

Imagine, for instance, that you can't swim. One day, you accidentaly fell in a deep pool,
would you Surrender to this fate ( to die drowned)? or Try your best to survive?
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Real_ZERO wrote:

You can change the future when you really want because you never know what written in your future.

For "God cannot judge you " conclusion, this is absolutely irrational.

Imagine, for instance, that you can't swim. One day, you accidentaly fell in a deep pool,
would you Surrender to this fate ( to die drowned)? or Try your best to survive?


Well if you didn't know how to swim and fell into a deep enough pool, struggle all you want, your still going to drown.
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Real_ZERO wrote:

You can change the future when you really want to because you never know what written in your future.

For "God cannot judge you " conclusion, this is absolutely irrational.

Imagine, for instance, that you can't swim. One day, you accidentaly fell in a deep pool,
would you Surrender to this fate ( to die drowned)? or Try your best to survive?


If the person drowned

and i sent them back in time
back to the moment they were born, at the same time, same place
they would drown again in the future
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


Daniel9878


Everything you do, was all decided the moment you we're born


By who?


and everything that happens later in life is the effect of external forces that were gonna happen anyway.


Like what?


There is no such thing as free will


Why not?



By who?

We'll i should not have used the word decided,
what i was trying to say was that the future will always be the future
and that is certain when you are born, you will have that future, for if not, it was not your future



Like what?

like getting married after meeting a realy nice girl, you were always going to meet her
like meeting a sucessful family member and wanting to follow in thier footsteps and follow thier career

no matter how many times you are reborn in the same place and same time, you will still make the same choices



Why not?

Because all the choices you make, you were going to make anyway
if you were reborn at the same time and same place, you would still make those choices
in that, your free will is all effected by the person you are born as


Posted 6/24/09

Daniel9878 wrote:

Do not read this if you get confused easily (lack of brain power)



There is only one future
If the proposed future did not come to pass, then it was not the future
therefore the future will all ways be the future and you cannot change it

In a persons life, the events that take place are his/her future
if not, well then it is not their future

The only thing that effects a persons future/ outcome/ actions is the body and mind they're born with
and where they are born, the place they are born cannot be changed, neither is it the child's choice
because everything they do in the future will always come to pass, it is and always will be the future

All the external factors to your choices and dessicions were all part of the future
Everything you do, was all decided the moment you we're born
and everything that happens later in life is the effect of external forces that were gonna happen anyway.
There is no such thing as free will

The only way you can change your future, is change who you are when you are born, your very essence.
and if you are a believer in god, well then he controls who you are born as
therefore he controls your future and judges you for his choice


FUTURE.. no one knows... as long as one person lives... he doesn't know what comes next..
When we were young... were totally dependent on our parents... but if we grow older enough.. we can now become independent person...

maybe your trying to say that.. since were not born yet.. still conceive in the womb of our mother.. we were already have a future.. it's kind a book in heaven..which only GOD'S knows...

However ... as my STATUS MESSAGE SAYS..... "THE BEST WAY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE IS TO CREATE IT"... SO NO NEED TO stay behind and just wait for your future to come... we need to move and not merely saying my future was already written and this is it.. i can do nothing.. that's absolutely WRONG....!!!!!

but still we need to live on PRESENT.. not the PAST and NOT the FUTURE... but it's not bad to predict the future..if you really want to...
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chickmei wrote:


Daniel9878 wrote:

Do not read this if you get confused easily (lack of brain power)



There is only one future
If the proposed future did not come to pass, then it was not the future
therefore the future will all ways be the future and you cannot change it

In a persons life, the events that take place are his/her future
if not, well then it is not their future

The only thing that effects a persons future/ outcome/ actions is the body and mind they're born with
and where they are born, the place they are born cannot be changed, neither is it the child's choice
because everything they do in the future will always come to pass, it is and always will be the future

All the external factors to your choices and dessicions were all part of the future
Everything you do, was all decided the moment you we're born
and everything that happens later in life is the effect of external forces that were gonna happen anyway.
There is no such thing as free will

The only way you can change your future, is change who you are when you are born, your very essence.
and if you are a believer in god, well then he controls who you are born as
therefore he controls your future and judges you for his choice


FUTURE.. no one knows... as long as one person lives... he doesn't know what comes next..
When we were young... were totally dependent on our parents... but if we grow older enough.. we can now become independent person...

maybe your trying to say that.. since were not born yet.. still conceive in the womb of our mother.. we were already have a future.. it's kind a book in heaven..which only GOD'S knows...

However ... as my STATUS MESSAGE SAYS..... "THE BEST WAY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE IS TO CREATE IT"... SO NO NEED TO stay behind and just wait for your future to come... we need to move and not merely saying my future was already written and this is it.. i can do nothing.. that's absolutely WRONG....!!!!!

but still we need to live on PRESENT.. not the PAST and NOT the FUTURE... but it's not bad to predict the future..if you really want to...


Yes and predicting the future really isnt too hard, allbeit complex. With the right algorythm and set of odds we can predict the future in a mathematical way and change it for the better. So the point of this thread is meaningless and can't be validated because modern science has already disproven the erratic, unsound RAMBLING of the person who started who started this topic. Seriously, after I read the first post of this thread my IQ dropped 8 points. With all do respect.
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openmindedatheist wrote:


chickmei wrote:


Daniel9878 wrote:

Do not read this if you get confused easily (lack of brain power)



There is only one future
If the proposed future did not come to pass, then it was not the future
therefore the future will all ways be the future and you cannot change it

In a persons life, the events that take place are his/her future
if not, well then it is not their future

The only thing that effects a persons future/ outcome/ actions is the body and mind they're born with
and where they are born, the place they are born cannot be changed, neither is it the child's choice
because everything they do in the future will always come to pass, it is and always will be the future

All the external factors to your choices and dessicions were all part of the future
Everything you do, was all decided the moment you we're born
and everything that happens later in life is the effect of external forces that were gonna happen anyway.
There is no such thing as free will

The only way you can change your future, is change who you are when you are born, your very essence.
and if you are a believer in god, well then he controls who you are born as
therefore he controls your future and judges you for his choice


FUTURE.. no one knows... as long as one person lives... he doesn't know what comes next..
When we were young... were totally dependent on our parents... but if we grow older enough.. we can now become independent person...

maybe your trying to say that.. since were not born yet.. still conceive in the womb of our mother.. we were already have a future.. it's kind a book in heaven..which only GOD'S knows...

However ... as my STATUS MESSAGE SAYS..... "THE BEST WAY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE IS TO CREATE IT"... SO NO NEED TO stay behind and just wait for your future to come... we need to move and not merely saying my future was already written and this is it.. i can do nothing.. that's absolutely WRONG....!!!!!

but still we need to live on PRESENT.. not the PAST and NOT the FUTURE... but it's not bad to predict the future..if you really want to...


Yes and predicting the future really isnt too hard, allbeit complex. With the right algorythm and set of odds we can predict the future in a mathematical way and change it for the better. So the point of this thread is meaningless and can't be validated because modern science has already disproven the erratic, unsound RAMBLING of the person who started who started this topic. Seriously, after I read the first post of this thread my IQ dropped 8 points. With all do respect.



You can't change the future

What comes to past would have been the future

no matter what happens, no matter what mathematitions or scientists do to change the future, all they are doing is setting the future
because the future was/is anything that comes to present and past

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