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ONE FUTURE, you can't change it, your born with it.
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Posted 12/22/10
I don't think they future is set in stone. People are born with certain tendecies, but there are also external factors that develop you as a human being. (Like parents, classmates, traumatic events, happy events etc) Those external factors can be very random.

I'd like to share a quote which I like, concerning this subject:

What you are today is due to what you were, and what you did, or neglected to do, in years gone by.

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Posted 1/22/11
This thread is pointless, and if everyone is right, well by that I mean the originator of these ideals, knowledge is pointless as you will undoubtedly gain that knowledge through the preordained power that created you and you will carry out your fate, which is probably depressing as hell such as, becoming a beggar for a loaf of bread while having 6 kids that all look like little george bushes and be dependent on crack cocaine because ex was too expensive for you.

but the biggest question for you is this? who wrote your future? though this is a pointless question, since you will know the answer anyway in the near future because you were meant to know or see the answer anyway.

is it an algorithm? if so are we simply computers? no, you know why? we came up with algorithms right? so how can a creation of our own mind come to determine our own fate?

is it God? well that could be, and most possibly is, but then that would make him a liar! as he gave Adam and Eve a choice, demonstrating the struggle of free will! hmmmm

could it be an alien? yes of course how silly of me, the only possible solution to this conundrum is that you all are silly and wasting your time discussing such ramble, go get a girl/boy whichever your into and go to the movies, your mama's house and get laid, and I mean sticky laid! and stop all this nonsense about unchanged future and yadda yadda, if your gonna die anyway, why waste all your time discussing senseless drabble when you could be living and seeing your future unfold!? bakamono!
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Posted 1/22/11
if this was the fucking case i would have killed myself in the womb >_>
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Posted 1/22/11
well i think
there is things in our future we can choose and decide it by our self in the present by using our brain.. for ex. religion.....
but other things we can't choose it ......... it is just our future we are born with it ( i mean who create us has choose it for us )
but some of it we should work for it to get it and not wait for it to happen. for ex. Marriage, money that we will have in our life, death , sickness , and more...
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Posted 1/27/11
I know this is not very realistic, but I still want to believe that a person can decide what to do, especially when there is a big decision to do.
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I think what the author here is trying to get at (please excuse me if this has been said before, or if I'm totally missing the mark; I simply skimmed through the first page), is that our 'free will' is our future. Predestined in a sense. We make the choices we do because of our personalities, right? The experiences and everything we've seen, heard, read, and listened to have affected our 'free will'. No, rather -- they are the 'free will'. I assume the author is suggesting that these experiences and everything that has affected our decision-making is all a part of the future. If we decide to be spontaneous and act irregularly, then that would just be a part of the 'plan' too. It's all been written before-hand, and there's no escaping it.

Of course, that's just another wild idea out there. I for one believe that we do have a choice. There's a past, present, and future. I don't believe in fate or destiny; I believe in life itself. Like he's saying, there's one future. We can't change it, because there's nothing to change. I will argue that we are not born with it though. We're simply writing our futures as we go along with life; as our past has been. There's nothing written beforehand, nothing predestined, and nothing to change. Some things; just 'are'.
Posted 1/27/11

ruudes wrote:

I think what the author here is trying to get at (please excuse me if this has been said before, or if I'm totally missing the mark; I simply skimmed through the first page), is that our 'free will' is our future. Predestined in a sense. We make the choices we do because of our personalities, right? The experiences and everything we've seen, heard, read, and listened to have affected our 'free will'. No, rather -- they are the 'free will'. I assume the author is suggesting that these experiences and everything that has affected our decision-making is all a part of the future. If we decide to be spontaneous and act irregularly, then that would just be a part of the 'plan' too. It's all been written before-hand, and there's no escaping it.

Of course, that's just another wild idea out there. I for one believe that we do have a choice. There's a past, present, and future. I don't believe in fate or destiny; I believe in life itself. Like he's saying, there's one future. We can't change it, because there's nothing to change. I will argue that we are not born with it though. We're simply writing our futures as we go along with life; as our past has been. There's nothing written beforehand, nothing predestined, and nothing to change. Some things; just 'are'.
That's only when you didn't perceive the many human lives that were forever changed by others. While at the same time you took your own cultural upbringing for granted. Hence why you didn't even notice the many futures got eliminated by free-enterprise.
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Posted 1/27/11 , edited 1/27/11

DomFortress wrote:


ruudes wrote:

I think what the author here is trying to get at (please excuse me if this has been said before, or if I'm totally missing the mark; I simply skimmed through the first page), is that our 'free will' is our future. Predestined in a sense. We make the choices we do because of our personalities, right? The experiences and everything we've seen, heard, read, and listened to have affected our 'free will'. No, rather -- they are the 'free will'. I assume the author is suggesting that these experiences and everything that has affected our decision-making is all a part of the future. If we decide to be spontaneous and act irregularly, then that would just be a part of the 'plan' too. It's all been written before-hand, and there's no escaping it.

Of course, that's just another wild idea out there. I for one believe that we do have a choice. There's a past, present, and future. I don't believe in fate or destiny; I believe in life itself. Like he's saying, there's one future. We can't change it, because there's nothing to change. I will argue that we are not born with it though. We're simply writing our futures as we go along with life; as our past has been. There's nothing written beforehand, nothing predestined, and nothing to change. Some things; just 'are'.
That's only when you didn't perceive the many human lives that were forever changed by others. While at the same time you took your own cultural upbringing for granted. Hence why you didn't even notice the many futures got eliminated by free-enterprise.


Ach, I do acknowledge the fact that the lives of others will affect ours as well as many others. By stating that there's 'nothing to change' and that nothing is predestined, I'm saying that I don't believe in a higher power who 'wrote out'/'foresaw' the future. If so, it would be in a constant state of change. Unreliable, no?

I appreciate the optimism in the world. Placing the blame of horrible occurrences on fate itself. “That’s alright, it was meant to be.” The question I pose for you all; however, is why exactly it was meant to be.

As far as you know, it’s the doing of an upper being. A guardian of some sort, perhaps? Are we all pawns on a playing field for the divine gods? Allow yourself to now rewind time within your mind. Go back to the previous day, week, month — years, even. Everything you do connects to a future (both long and short term) event within your life, and possibly many other lives. Let’s say you decide to miss work one day. Your car isn’t in traffic, your car isn’t there to ‘block’ another fellow who’s late to work. They run the red light, and end up with a ticket, and now they are late for work — possibly missing a partnership, a meeting, or what have you. Even worse, they run the red light and collide with another car. An accident both parties are unable to afford, running the families of both parties into another direction in life (causing them, somewhere down the road, more misfortunes that were well, “meant to be”).

Every decision will swing lives in multiple various directions. It’s our choices that affect lives, and the worst part is that we don’t know what will happen with each choice we make. Whether it be signing a big deal, or deciding to sit on the couch for an extra five minutes. We are unknowingly running multiple lives, for the good and the bad.
Posted 1/27/11 , edited 1/27/11

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Ach, I do acknowledge the fact that the lives of others will affect ours as well as many others. By stating that there's 'nothing to change' and that nothing is predestined, I'm saying that I don't believe in a higher power who 'wrote out'/'foresaw' the future. If so, it would be in a constant state of change. Unreliable, no?

I appreciate the optimism in the world. Placing the blame of horrible occurrences on fate itself. “That’s alright, it was meant to be.” The question I pose for you all; however, is why exactly it was meant to be.

As far as you know, it’s the doing of an upper being. A guardian of some sort, perhaps? Are we all pawns on a playing field for the divine gods? Allow yourself to now rewind time within your mind. Go back to the previous day, week, month — years, even. Everything you do connects to a future (both long and short term) event within your life, and possibly many other lives. Let’s say you decide to miss work one day. Your car isn’t in traffic, your car isn’t there to ‘block’ another fellow who’s late to work. They run the red light, and end up with a ticket, and now they are late for work — possibly missing a partnership, a meeting, or what have you. Even worse, they run the red light and collide with another car. An accident both parties are unable to afford, running the families of both parties into another direction in life (causing them, somewhere down the road, more misfortunes that were well, “meant to be”).

Every decision will swing lives in multiple various directions. It’s our choices that affect lives, and the worst part is that we don’t know what will happen with each choice we make. Whether it be signing a big deal, or deciding to sit on the couch for an extra five minutes. We are unknowingly running multiple lives, for the good and the bad.
Actually, behavioral economist got something else to say about that, and about marketing strategy.

I don't do hypothetical experiment that only focus on the intention of individuals, because that's exactly how I consider oneself playing God. Instead, I'm more interested about the predictable irrationalities that humans can make as a collective.
Posted 1/28/11
Lol..such high handed philosophies.......

In Hell the only philosopher is Lucifer....
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Posted 1/28/11
Well, the quantum mechanics say, that there is something like randomness. Facts that are only sure in the moment they happened.
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Posted 2/5/11 , edited 2/5/11
let's see but if you have lived your life than it doesn't matter what gonna happen next. May be you should check this out.

http://www.linella.dk/
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Posted 2/6/11
The fact that you are born means that in your future you will die. I guess you are right, this is one future which you are born to which you cannot change.

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The fact that you are born means that in your future you will die. I guess you are right, this is one future which you are born to which you cannot change.

I tend to agree with the Taoist's concept of death being just a process. Thus makes the concept of social stratification in life rather useless to me.
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Northboundsnow wrote:

The fact that you are born means that in your future you will die. I guess you are right, this is one future which you are born to which you cannot change.

I tend to agree with the Taoist's concept of death being just a process. Thus makes the concept of social stratification in life rather useless to me.


Philosophy or religion is not my strong point. I am pretty sure you'll run circles around me in this one. Daoism/Taoism believes in living in harmony and like its counterpart Buddhism believe in reincarnation and the soul is eternal and there are different cycles of life. Monotheism religion differs in that there is an end, death and judgment, heaven or hell. Thus for Daosim, Death is not an end and that a person's fate or future can change if one performs certain deeds or actions. A beggar for his whole life but perform good deeds and help others may reincarnate to become a rich man in his next life.

Lets not forget hard work or taking advantage of opportunity when it arises, one can climb out of the rat race or break away from one's condition or situation. Ultimately ones action can and help shape ones future.

But this future is all generic, the one fate or future that you cannot run away from no matter what you believe in, whether you do not believe in God or one God or multiple Gods for that matter. Everyone dies ... unless they are reborn. By which they will still die..... unless they are reincarnated .... by which death will take them again.
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