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Posted 12/26/07
Hi guys! This is my first discussion, it's about our sins, I think God gave us everything, sometimes I wonder if he wanted us to have sins as well. I know we create our own mistakes, but I think sins can sometimes helps us, because with our sins we learn from our past to make a better future. Even in today, where people did crimes & they hated their actions, by recognizing their mistakes, they changed for the better! We are all flawed, but that is one of the things that makes us beautiful, for we cannot reach perfection, the only perfection is God. So by acknowledging we are imperfect, we stay humble, but we still try to make ourselves stronger individuals.

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Posted 12/26/07
God gave us the option to sin to show us how powerful love is. Rather than forcing us to love Him, making us like robots, God gave us free will. Without free will, real love wouldn't be as strong as it is. It's not an excuse to sin, but it gives us even more of a reason to lean on God's love, because we know it's impossible not to sin. It shows us how great God's perfect love is.
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Posted 12/26/07
We have sins because our representative, Adam (the first adam) had sinned against God. Thus every man born after that was born not knowing God. But I sincerely do not think God wanted us to have sins. For he created us in his image, perfect and without sins. If he wanted, he could have easily started us out with sins.

But because we are now sinners, we sin. It's not that we sin, so we're sinners. Adam caused us to have that title of sinners. But even as unbelievers, we have our own impulses to go against sin. For we know it in ourselves when we sin. We are aware of our bad deeds. That's because we are created in God's image. If we were created AS sinners with sin, then sinning wouldn't be an issue with us, because it's godlike, not humanlike to resist sin.

But when sinners have accepted God and become believers, we are automatically cleansed by the payment Jesus (the last Adam) did on the cross. The result is that we have no more temptations to sin like we used to. Strongholds are broken, and peace is in its place. When you're comfortable enough to know that God will take care of everything in your place, he will change you. And when God changes, it's for the better. He took the spirit of anger out of me that was with me since young. Your views will change because you're changed.

Of course, we in our flesh can change too, but when we change ourselves, it's only temporal. It's not easy to quit addictions, but when God does it, you don't even realise it's gone!
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Posted 12/27/07
Hi, Please take a look at this post from a good website I like to browse from there. This post is regarding someone's question about sin:

http://www.decapolis.com/faith_/pages/DoesGodSetUsUpForSin.shtml


Does God Set Us Up For Sin?
by Conrad


Hello, my name is Kelcey and I am a Christian, however I have recently been experiencing some major doubts and questions about the Christian faith. This is only one of many questions that I have, but I think it is the question that is consuming my thoughts the majority of the time so I'll just ask this one.

It seems to me that God was incredibly unfair in His creation! God created Satan, and since he is omniscient, he knew that Satan would fall from grace and tempt man. Doesn't this seem like a bear trap to you? God puts all the elements for sin together, and then waits and gets the expected result: mankind's sinful nature. Following that logic, isn't it slightly irrational for God to demand punishment for creating us the way we are?

I would really really appreciate an answer to this question. It's been on my mind for quite some time and I can't find a reasonable explanation for it! Thank you very much.
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Kelcey, nice question...

God didn't create us (or Satan) with the intent to sin – that would be unjust. But rather, he did give us a choice. So why did he give us choice? Because God didn't want to create robots.

If we had no choice, we would be like plants and rocks. Plants and rocks can't love, because they have no choice to love or not to love - they just exist. If you program a computer to print out "I love you," the computer doesn't love you, you merely told it to do that. So since God wanted to create beings that could love, He gave them a choice - to love or not to love.

These aren't the "elements for sin", these are the "elements for love". The possibility of sin is the byproduct of the elements for love. There is no trap. There simply is a way for us to love God.

God created us perfect, without sin. God would be unjust only if he programmed us to sin and punished us anyway. But we were originally created without sin. So He is fair and just to punish us if we sin.

But you bring up God's foreknowledge of all of this.

Foreknowledge does not make one responsible for someone else's actions. Lawmakers know if they set the speed limit to 75 miles per hour on a section of road that people will break that law. Just because the lawmakers knew that the law would be broken doesn't make the lawmakers guilty in anyway. The speeder gets the ticket – not the lawmaker.

So even if God is not responsible for our sins in anyway - if He knew we would sin, how come He let it happen anyway? Because he had a plan to save sinners. And that plan is Christ. Through Christ, God's love is shown to the universe.
Posted 12/27/07
^^ Mhmm, in no way does God want us to sin, he didn't create us to have us sin, he created us to love, and to be loved. Love is the opposite of sin. But if we were forced to love than we'd be like robots, it wouldn't be real, so God gave us free will. What Adam and Eve chose to do with that free will was to disobey God, and because of that we all have a sinful nature.

I don't think sin is what makes us beautiful, for God hates sin. Why would God want something he hates to be the thing that makes us beautiful? There are so many other things that make us beautiful both physically, and personality wise, but sin isn't one of them. If anything sin is what makes us ugly.
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Posted 12/27/07
No , I'm not saying God wants us to have sin, but to have those negative qualities and to refuse them.To have sin and to overcome it is what makes us better people.
,for example my grandmother did sins like drinking and smoking, even when she was pregnant, my father learned from her mistakes to not do the same and make me grow up in that lifestyle of damaging your body and by understanding what
sins can do, we learn to not use it.

The fact that we are CAPABLE of refusing wrongs, (free will) is what God
wants us to do, thus making us stronger. I know we are all sinners, but God loves all of us, because our Father cares who we are, including flaws. God
wants us to correct our mistakes, we can prove to be more than just being sinners, by
also being people capable of virtues.
( for some reason I was thinking of the Prodigal son, where the father forgives the boy for his actions because even with sin, he will always
be his flesh and blood). I'm just trying to say that sins shouldn't be the excuse to be bad, because we can choose the correct path. God knows we are not perfect, yet he loves us any way, so we have sins, but we have our faith too.
Like I will always love my family, even if they were the worlds most dangerous mafia!

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, I was just thinking of my Grandma, and how she could be so loving and give birth to my loving dad, and have sin, I was thinking are we bad or are we good?
well, we are both and hopefully we overcome sin in the end. All in all I was just hoping people no matter how sinfull will redeem themselves and go to heaven.
Peace!
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Posted 12/27/07
The thing about God is, when you are with him, and you know him, he will automatically take away your strongholds, addictions and various temptations and all. You don't have to even try. It is impossible to look at Jesus and not receive. When you're comfortable with Christ, you don't even think of sin, or want to. But of course, we are still sinners, so once in a while we do so.

But when God is in the picture, he can break whatever temptations there are around, and no weapons formed against us shall prosper. So you see, you don't have to worry, just look toward him and he will take care of the the rest.

Isn't it beautiful that we have free will? It will please god so much further because we know his goodness to us, then we out of our freewill, repent and follow his ways. I think it'll be more satisfying to him than forcing us to do his will.
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Posted 12/28/07
when we become Christans it doesn't mean that problems/trials automatically dissolves...sin is really our choice (except 4 what we are born with, adam's sin)

Read James 1...it's one of my favourite passages..^^
it sure helped me understand many things...like temptations

Posted 12/30/07
Original sin? According to Catholics at least.
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