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Lol you might want to stay away from websites like
http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm
Man thats a very extreme anti-Islam website. They even have a section called "Leaving Islam". I see that website as being no different to a nazi websites who hates jews or a racist website. To sum up everything if it isnt in the Quran then it isnt true. If your muslim I dont know if you are then you know where we get our guidelines and it is from the Holy Quran. All these other areas are BS you cant fall victim to extreme websites like this.

You have not quoted anything from the Quran but just people from Iran who doesnt speak for Islam at all. In fact none of those people you mentioned are spokesperson of Islam, we dont have one. In fact lmao after reading it fully yea that is bullshit now your putting quotes of Beastuality, homosexuality etc being accepted in Islam as a norm. Really if your muslim you need to go re-read the Quran all that is forbidden. I came from a muslim country none of that is acceptable and can be punishable by death.
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Lol you might want to stay away from websites like
http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm
Man thats a very extreme anti-Islam website. They even have a section called "Leaving Islam". I see that website as being no different to a nazi websites who hates jews or a racist website. To sum up everything if it isnt in the Quran then it isnt true. If your muslim I dont know if you are then you know where we get our guidelines and it is from the Holy Quran. All these other areas are BS you cant fall victim to extreme websites like this.

You have not quoted anything from the Quran but just people from Iran who doesnt speak for Islam at all. In fact none of those people you mentioned are spokesperson of Islam, we dont have one.


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Lol re-reading that website on the first page lol I dont know if those are really muslims who left the religion because if they were they would support their evidence based from the Quran not from what actions they see taking place after 9/11 lol propaganda website anyone? This website was designed to stir un-educated muslims away from the religion. If you dont no anything about your religion you will easily fall victim to it. That has got to be one of the most westernized view of Islam I have ever seen.
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Lol re-reading that website on the first page lol I dont know if those are really muslims who left the religion because if they were they would support their evidence based from the Quran not from what actions they see taking place after 9/11 lol propaganda website anyone? This website was designed to stir un-educated muslims away from the religion. If you dont no anything about your religion you will easily fall victim to it. That has got to be one of the most westernized view of Islam I have ever seen.


What about the prophet marrying a 9 year old? Do those Hadiths have any credibility?
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Lol re-reading that website on the first page lol I dont know if those are really muslims who left the religion because if they were they would support their evidence based from the Quran not from what actions they see taking place after 9/11 lol propaganda website anyone? This website was designed to stir un-educated muslims away from the religion. If you dont no anything about your religion you will easily fall victim to it. That has got to be one of the most westernized view of Islam I have ever seen.


What about the prophet marrying a 9 year old? Do those Hadiths have any credibility?


This is why I dont go by Hadiths and we arent taught them in Mosques because of statements like the prophet marrying 9 year old kids and other extreme stuff. Hadiths dont have much credibility in fact there are many fake ones out there floating on the internet. The extreme ones that was posted by the OP and the 70 virgin one are one of the many that gets picked up by websites such as islam-watch to demonize the religion. They cannot quote nothing in the Quran because they cant find anything bad in there but easily quote the Hadiths with no Arabic text where they translated it from and say, "here this is what Islam teaches."
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Yei wrote:


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Lol re-reading that website on the first page lol I dont know if those are really muslims who left the religion because if they were they would support their evidence based from the Quran not from what actions they see taking place after 9/11 lol propaganda website anyone? This website was designed to stir un-educated muslims away from the religion. If you dont no anything about your religion you will easily fall victim to it. That has got to be one of the most westernized view of Islam I have ever seen.


What about the prophet marrying a 9 year old? Do those Hadiths have any credibility?


This is why I dont go by Hadiths and we arent taught them in Mosques because of statements like the prophet marrying 9 year old kids and other extreme stuff. Hadiths dont have much credibility in fact there are many fake ones out there floating on the internet. The extreme ones that was posted by the OP and the 70 virgin one are one of the many that gets picked up by websites such as islam-watch to demonize the religion. They cannot quote nothing in the Quran because they cant find anything bad in there but easily quote the Hadiths with no Arabic text where they translated it from and say, "here this is what Islam teaches."


So it's not credible?

Then how do we know which Hadiths are credible?
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drizza wrote:


Yei wrote:


drizza wrote:

Lol re-reading that website on the first page lol I dont know if those are really muslims who left the religion because if they were they would support their evidence based from the Quran not from what actions they see taking place after 9/11 lol propaganda website anyone? This website was designed to stir un-educated muslims away from the religion. If you dont no anything about your religion you will easily fall victim to it. That has got to be one of the most westernized view of Islam I have ever seen.


What about the prophet marrying a 9 year old? Do those Hadiths have any credibility?


This is why I dont go by Hadiths and we arent taught them in Mosques because of statements like the prophet marrying 9 year old kids and other extreme stuff. Hadiths dont have much credibility in fact there are many fake ones out there floating on the internet. The extreme ones that was posted by the OP and the 70 virgin one are one of the many that gets picked up by websites such as islam-watch to demonize the religion. They cannot quote nothing in the Quran because they cant find anything bad in there but easily quote the Hadiths with no Arabic text where they translated it from and say, "here this is what Islam teaches."


So it's not credible?

Then how do we know which Hadiths are credible?


http://www.irfi.org/general/history_of_hadiths.htm

All the info you need about Hadiths in fact it is awesome at dismantling fake ones. I will write more but right now I am picking this islamwebsite apart it is extremely easy.
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drizza wrote:


Yei wrote:


drizza wrote:

Lol re-reading that website on the first page lol I dont know if those are really muslims who left the religion because if they were they would support their evidence based from the Quran not from what actions they see taking place after 9/11 lol propaganda website anyone? This website was designed to stir un-educated muslims away from the religion. If you dont no anything about your religion you will easily fall victim to it. That has got to be one of the most westernized view of Islam I have ever seen.


What about the prophet marrying a 9 year old? Do those Hadiths have any credibility?


This is why I dont go by Hadiths and we arent taught them in Mosques because of statements like the prophet marrying 9 year old kids and other extreme stuff. Hadiths dont have much credibility in fact there are many fake ones out there floating on the internet. The extreme ones that was posted by the OP and the 70 virgin one are one of the many that gets picked up by websites such as islam-watch to demonize the religion. They cannot quote nothing in the Quran because they cant find anything bad in there but easily quote the Hadiths with no Arabic text where they translated it from and say, "here this is what Islam teaches."


So it's not credible?

Then how do we know which Hadiths are credible?


a good way is to not use the internet as the source...
but really u'll never know how credible a hadith is, since they're told to u by someone, or in books, or on the internet
but if you really want to know find a well renowned book of hadith, or ask a Muslim scholar.
Generally, Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths are considered authentic above most others
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Kudos to an interesting topic, though most of what is stated doesn't occur as often today due to many middle eastern societies becoming westernized. I have many Islamic friends who would not accept many, if not all of these acts, though it might be stated as acceptable through the Qur'an.
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The Hadiths can be in question, some have been falsely made, some were made by "Muslim" governments in order to incite war or political power. The man who spoke and said those things was an Iranian cleric. Iranian clerics don't speak for all of Islam. Just because someone may be a Muslim or may even be a cleric or the leader of an Islamic republic doesn't mean his words are right regarding Islam. I am a Christian by the way. Those things may have been said by one leader, and some people may believe them, but that is just one sect of Islam and one interpretation that I bet most Muslims would view to be a false understanding of the Koran and the manipulation of Hadiths or false Hadiths.
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To be honest I dont believe the OP is muslim I mean to try and justify sex with animals? Then cant even back up the statement no where in the Quran but goes to an extreme website from people who dont understand the religion and gets guidance from them? If I want to learn about Jews do I go ask a Nazi? I mean come on the Quran is the ultimate source period anything else is just made up. These type of people is who Islam-watch.org wants to get. The uneducated who doesnt know much about their religion. They try to make Islam political and link Hadiths not quotes from the Quran to events happening today. So the westernize muslim starts to question their religion and fall right into the trap. One of the authors Ma Khan of the website said

"Although born to religious parents, I was never pressed to follow the religious rituals; I never bother to engage in those stuffs. My only religious devotion was intermittent praying on Fridays, the Juma prayer, and on the two yearly Eid festivals. I would do fasting only on those days I would be invited for Iftar (fast-breaking) party by friend and relatives."

"My knowledge of Islam was from hearsay since my childhood."

From reading those two quotes we could already assume he was not knowledgeable therefore it is understandable why he was not able to counter attack people who would post false hadiths or the Quran out of context. So how is a muslim who never understood his religion while growing up suppose to tell another muslim about his religion?

"Growing up in close proximity and friendship with the neighboring Hindu community, I thought, if I would model myself after Muhammad, I should've waged wars against the Hindus (idolaters) of my neighborhood."

Ok now this statement I mean come on where in the Quran it teaches muslims to kill Hindu's? I have an Indian friend at my job (he is Hindu) who tells me the second biggest religion in India is Islam Hindu being the first and he said they are living in peace together. This statement is purely political and I believe it has to do with the India/Pakistan conflict over Cashmere.
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As requested, the quotes from different version of the book

SAHIH AL-BUKHARI

Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)

Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 140; see also Number 139)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

SAHIH MUSLIM

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309; see also 3310)

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)

SUNAN ABU DAWUD

Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4915)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380)

SUNAN NASA‘I

… When Hadrat Aisha passed nine years of marriage life, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fell in mortal sickness… ‘A’isha was eighteen years of age at the time when the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) passed away and she remained a widow for forty-eight years till she died at the age of sixty-seven. She saw the rules of four Caliphs in her lifetime. She died on Ramadan 58 A.H. during the Caliphate of Hadrat Amir Mu‘awiya… (Sunan Nasa'i: English translation with Arabic Text, compiled by Imam Abu Abd-ur-Rahman Ahmad Nasa'i, rendered into English by Muhammad Iqbal Siddiqui [Kazi Publication, 121-Zulqarnain Chambers, Gampat Road, Lahore, Pakistan; first edition, 1994], Volume 1, p. 108)

SUNAN IBN-I-MAJAH

1876. ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said: Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted marriage with me while I was (yet) a six years [sic] old girl. Then we arrived at Medina and stayed with Banu Harith b. Khazraj. I fell victim to fever; then my hair (of the head fell off (and became scattered). Then they became plenty and hanged down upto [sic] the earlobes. My mother ‘Umm Ruman came to me while I was (playing) in a swing alongwith [sic] my play-mates. She (the mother) called me loudly. I went to her and I did not know what he [sic] wanted. She seized my hand and stopped me at the door of the house and I was hearing [sic] violently until the agitation of my heart was over. Then she took some water and wiped it over my face and head. Then she admitted me to the house when some woman [sic] of Ansar were present in the house. They said, "You have entered with blessings and good fortune." Then she (the mother) entrusted me to them. So they embellished me and nothing frightened me but Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) (when he came there) in the morning and they (the women) entrusted me to him. On that day, I was a nine years [sic] old girl."

1877. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said, "The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) married ‘A’isha while she was a seven years [sic] old girl and took him [sic] to his house as a bride when she was nine years old and he parted with her (after his demise) when she was eighteen years old."

According to Al-Zawa‘id its isnad is sahih in accordance with the condition prescribed by Bukhari, but munqata because Abu ‘Ubaida did not hear from his father. Shu‘ba Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban mentioned him amongst the authentic and reliable authorities. Tirmidhi in al-Jami’ and al-Mazzi in al-Atraf (has expressed the same opinion). Nasa‘i has transmitted this hadith in al-Sughra from the hadith ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her). (Sunan Ibn-I-Majah, Imam Abdullah Muhammad B. Yazid Ibn-I-Maja Al-Qazwini, English version by Muhammad Tufail Ansari [Kazi Publications, 121-Zulqarnain Chambers, Gampat Road, Lahore Pakistan, first edition, 1995], volume III, pp. 133-134)

IBN HISHAM

He married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, tenth impression 1995], p. 792)


The verses are relevant because these are the ones interpreted by the clerics and these clerics are people of influence in the different Islamic countries.


Those are from Hadtiths, not from the Quran. The prophet marrying a nine-year old may have some bad implications but I have heard many explanations about this, like that it was just common in society at the time.

And what about the rest of the stuff in the article?


That's some good knowledge Here's the one from the Quran , link to wikipedia, http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur%27an#Introduction. All about pedophilia in the Quran.
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To be honest I dont believe the OP is muslim I mean to try and justify sex with animals? Then cant even back up the statement no where in the Quran but goes to an extreme website from people who dont understand the religion and gets guidance from them? If I want to learn about Jews do I go ask a Nazi? I mean come on the Quran is the ultimate source period anything else is just made up. These type of people is who Islam-watch.org wants to get. The uneducated who doesnt know much about their religion. They try to make Islam political and link Hadiths not quotes from the Quran to events happening today. So the westernize muslim starts to question their religion and fall right into the trap. One of the authors Ma Khan of the website said

"Although born to religious parents, I was never pressed to follow the religious rituals; I never bother to engage in those stuffs. My only religious devotion was intermittent praying on Fridays, the Juma prayer, and on the two yearly Eid festivals. I would do fasting only on those days I would be invited for Iftar (fast-breaking) party by friend and relatives."

"My knowledge of Islam was from hearsay since my childhood."

From reading those two quotes we could already assume he was not knowledgeable therefore it is understandable why he was not able to counter attack people who would post false hadiths or the Quran out of context. So how is a muslim who never understood his religion while growing up suppose to tell another muslim about his religion?

"Growing up in close proximity and friendship with the neighboring Hindu community, I thought, if I would model myself after Muhammad, I should've waged wars against the Hindus (idolaters) of my neighborhood."

Ok now this statement I mean come on where in the Quran it teaches muslims to kill Hindu's? I have an Indian friend at my job (he is Hindu) who tells me the second biggest religion in India is Islam Hindu being the first and he said they are living in peace together. This statement is purely political and I believe it has to do with the India/Pakistan conflict over Cashmere.


I am not a Muslim and as what I've stated I want to elicit responses from those practicing Islam in regards to the article to sort of enlighten me and those who have read it. The marja that the article quoted belongs to the Shia religion which is considered by most Muslims as a non Muslim ideology with followers mostly in Iran, south Iraq and south Lebanon. I am aware that the Koran bans bestiality as well as other Abrahamic religions that's why I'm wondering how the marja came with that.

edit: Koran doesn't mention Beastiality I meant some Hadiths.
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The Hadiths can be in question, some have been falsely made, some were made by "Muslim" governments in order to incite war or political power. The man who spoke and said those things was an Iranian cleric. Iranian clerics don't speak for all of Islam. Just because someone may be a Muslim or may even be a cleric or the leader of an Islamic republic doesn't mean his words are right regarding Islam. I am a Christian by the way. Those things may have been said by one leader, and some people may believe them, but that is just one sect of Islam and one interpretation that I bet most Muslims would view to be a false understanding of the Koran and the manipulation of Hadiths or false Hadiths.


Agrees. However, the Quran has a tendecy to be interpreted in favoring pedophilia. Even the comittee on ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET view on it is sort of in line with Khomeini's.

PEDOPHILIA LAWS FROM ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET

Question 1809

After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question forwarded by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/5/1453 and 7/5/1421 (Islamic calendar)

Question: ‘It has become widespread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of m More..ufa’khathat of the children. (mufa’khathat - literally translated, it means “placing between the thighs” which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child) What is the opinion of scholars, knowing full well that the prophet, the peace of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be pleased with her.’

Answer: After studying the issue, the committee has answered as follows:

As for the prophet, thighing his fiancée Aisha when she was six years of age and not able to consummate the relationship due to her small age. That is why the Prophet used to place his male member between her thighs and massage it, as the prophet had control of his male member not like other men.

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Sexual Perversion in Islam

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05 May, 2007
Pedophilia

Let me begin with a quote from a fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran.

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

You need not fear that your Muslim male baby-sitter will rape your 7-year-old daughter. If he is a good he will only sodomize her. If he does force his penis into her tiny vagina he is obligated to pay for any surgical repairs that may be required. If those repairs are deemed insufficient you may work out a financial settlement to compensate you for his trivial infraction. No big deal. Muslim boys will be Muslim boys. And, after all, she is only a girl.

Other forms of sexual abuse inflicted on children by Muslim male family members include fondling of genitals, coercing a child to fondle the abuser's genitals, masturbation with the child as either participant or observer, oral sex, anal or vaginal penetration by penis, finger or any other object. Another technique used by Muslim men is called "thighing". The child's legs are pressed together and the abuser inserts his penis between the thighs of the little boy or girl. As this was how Mohammed had sex with his wife, Aisha, from the time she was six years old the practice, of course, was approved of by Ayatollah Khomeini who in his Little Green Book asserted “It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.” Yes, indeed, you can be a good Muslim while copulating with the thighs of an infant. An Arab woman vigorously denounces this vile practice in the following video clip from Bahrain TV Click http://terror-watch.net/media/womans_rights_islam.wmv . Her denunciation of the "thighing" of infants and young girls comes towards the end of the interview.

This practice flourishes in Muslim countries where women are ruthlessly oppressed and normal sexual development systematically suppressed. That would include the Arab world, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Deny men wholesome and natural sexual outlets and they will find unwholesome and unnatural alternatives.

The Grand Ayatollah's full ruling on marriage can be found here http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=53. The institution of "temporary marriage" appears to be designed to facilitate prostitution. A USA Today article tells the story http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-05-04-pleasure-marriage_x.htm

I have provided the links. Ayatollah Khomeini is marja or source of emulation in the Muslim world. Of course, he would be basing his judgment in the Koran

Homosexuality

Islam has the effect of denying Muslim boys and girls the opportunity to develop their sexuality in a normal, wholesome fashion. The public mixing of sexes is prohibited by Islam although it may be tolerated by the secular governments of most Muslim nations. Denied the opportunity to have normal heterosexual experiences during adolescence and frequently the victims of sexual abuse by male relatives while they were growing up it is no wonder that Muslims are much more likely than infidels to find romance and sexual gratification in homosexual relationships. The following excerpt from a piece published in a gay and lesbian publication gives one a notion of Muslim sexuality in Saudi Arabia.

"Ibrahim bin Abdullah bin Ghaith, the head of the religious police (the Committee for the Prevention of Vice and the Promotion of Virtue) acknowledged, in unusually tempered language, that there are gay Saudis, while also speaking of the need "to educate the young" about this "vice". But he denied media reports that gay and lesbian relationships were the norm in the strictly segregated schools and colleges, that homosexuality "is spreading".

In an unprecedented two-page special investigation, the daily newspaper Okaz said lesbianism was "endemic" among schoolgirls. It justified the article with a saying of the Prophet's wife Ayeshathat "there should be no shyness in religion". The article told of lesbian sex in school lavatories, girls stigmatised after refusing the advances of their fellow students, and teachers complaining that none of the girls were willing to change their behaviour.

Mr Ghaith dismissed a suggestion that he should send his "enforcers" to investigate. Armed with sticks, they routinely hunt down men and women in public they suspect may not be directly related. "This perversion is found in all countries," he told Okaz. "The number [of homosexuals] here is small ..." That assessment is contradicted by teachers and students who say that, in the absence of other outlets, a "gay" subculture has inevitably flourished among youth.

"A particularly beautiful boy always gets top marks in the exams because he's some teacher's favourite," said Mohammed, an English teacher in a government high school in Riyadh. "On the other hand, I know many older boys who deliberately flunked their final exams so they can stay ... with their younger sweethearts."

Ahmed, 19, a student at a private college in Jeddah, said there was no shame in having a boyfriend in his private high school. Although he firmly rejected the label "gay", he admitted that he now has a "special friend" in college, too. "It's those who don't have a boy who are ashamed to admit it. We introduce our boy to our friends as 'al walid hagi' [the boy who belongs to me]. At the beginning of term, we always check out the new boys to see which are the most 'helu' [sweet] and think of ways to get to know them."

Gay marriage is not the contemporary invention of decadent Western civilization. The Egyptian city of Siwa has for centuries legitimized and celebrated marriages between Muslim men. No other community has done more to suppress heterosexual behavior thereby making homosexuality the norm. A gay cruising guide http://www.gayegypt.com/gayguidtosiw.html to Siwa provides both historical background and tips on finding gay sex partners in that city -- truly a no-brainer. Gay marriage is also practiced in Afghanistan. News reports documenting that fact and others about rampant Afghan homosexuality can be found here. Paradoxical though it may be, Islam calls for the severe punishment of homosexuality while at the same time working diligently to make that forbidden practice more attractive. An excellent analysis can be found here http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=20145.

If you have a particular interest in the Islamic persecution of homosexuals al-bab.com is a good place to pursue it further. As this form of barbarity is inflicted on Muslims by Muslims and is relatively rare I will not dwell on the matter much further. The overwhelming majority of homosexuals who have been murdered by Muslims died because they were infidels. Count the millions murdered and multiply by whatever percentage incidence of homosexuality you fancy. You will get a very, very large number in return.

Bestiality

Is there a proper Muslim way to have sex with animals? Indeed, there is! Guidelines for sex with animals can be found in the writings of Ayatollah Khomeini. Two excerpts from his writings serve to clarify the matter.

"A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." Don't the buyers deserve a discount of some kind?

Khomeini's "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned." What if it was really good and invites another lap or two? Must animals always be one-night stands?

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm

I am totally shocked. Can our brothers or sisters in Islam shed light on this artcle? Might be due to the psyche of the people who adheres to Islam in the past? No insults/defamation please.


From what I know, only one Muslim country has the age of consent that low, and there laws are probably not as straight froward as that.

For any who are thinking this is just too inhuman to be real, here is a peer-reviewed published paper on the sexuality of childhood in history. Most of what this describes has ended in the last 100 years, but not all of it, and not everyone was happy it ended, though most of us, myself included, cannot fathom why people would want such practices to continue.

http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html


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