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Ok honestly muslims should be done with this thread lol it is B.S. If your going to teach Islam through Hadiths please create another Islam-Watch website and you can gather all the confused muslims or the non muslims there and teach them every thing you heard from a political leader from Iran then call it Islam.
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Agrees. However, the Quran has a tendecy to be interpreted in favoring pedophilia. Even the comittee on ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET view on it is sort of in line with Khomeini's.

PEDOPHILIA LAWS FROM ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET

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The question there is about Zakat and still there are some people using it as argument.


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kitoka wrote:
Agrees. However, the Quran has a tendecy to be interpreted in favoring pedophilia. Even the comittee on ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET view on it is sort of in line with Khomeini's.

PEDOPHILIA LAWS FROM ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET

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The question there is about Zakat and still there are some people using it as argument.


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Can you kindly expound what Zakat is? Is it alms giving? How does it relate? thanks.
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Ok honestly muslims should be done with this thread lol it is B.S. If your going to teach Islam through Hadiths please create another Islam-Watch website and you can gather all the confused muslims or the non muslims there and teach them every thing you heard from a political leader from Iran then call it Islam.


You may actually want to give inputs and discuss rather than calling this thread a BS. FYI, Hadiths are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded by all traditional schools of jurisprudence as important tools for determining the Muslim way of life, the sunnah.
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drizza wrote:

Ok honestly muslims should be done with this thread lol it is B.S. If your going to teach Islam through Hadiths please create another Islam-Watch website and you can gather all the confused muslims or the non muslims there and teach them every thing you heard from a political leader from Iran then call it Islam.


You may actually want to give inputs and discuss rather than calling this thread a BS. FYI, Hadiths are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded by all traditional schools of jurisprudence as important tools for determining the Muslim way of life, the sunnah (wikipedia).


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kitoka wrote:


Real_ZERO wrote:


kitoka wrote:
Agrees. However, the Quran has a tendecy to be interpreted in favoring pedophilia. Even the comittee on ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET view on it is sort of in line with Khomeini's.

PEDOPHILIA LAWS FROM ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET

Question 1809



The question there is about Zakat and still there are some people using it as argument.


Game over.





Can you kindly expound what Zakat is? Is it alms giving? How does it relate? thanks.


Sure. Zakat is the third Pillar of Islam, it means giving of a small percentage of one's income to charity, it is obligated for those who are wealthy enough to afford it once every year. Obviously , it has noting to do with this topic.


Sorry, I'd take your topic seriously, if you were using reliable resources, and by the way, any knowledgeable muslim believe that any fatwa couldn't be considered as an argument even most of those who give it realised that matter, because fatwa is an opinion that may be wrong, after all.




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drizza wrote:

Ok honestly muslims should be done with this thread lol it is B.S. If your going to teach Islam through Hadiths please create another Islam-Watch website and you can gather all the confused muslims or the non muslims there and teach them every thing you heard from a political leader from Iran then call it Islam.


You may actually want to give inputs and discuss rather than calling this thread a BS. FYI, Hadiths are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded by all traditional schools of jurisprudence as important tools for determining the Muslim way of life, the sunnah.


Sure I gave you input I told you are basically quoting what someone says in Iran and basing that one mans statement as the whole of what Islam teaches. Also dealing with Hadiths I told you there were fake ones out there and Hadiths are only true if the statement in there is based off what the Quran teaches. If not it is fake I mean what more do you want to hear? I showed your author was on his website as he even admitted he didnt know much about Islam. So please you dont have to show me the "Muslim way of life" or talk about "sunnah" what can a non muslim who never studied the religion teach a muslim? Billions of muslims around the world and you are finally able to find some secret that we really do accept homosexuality and beastuality in the religion while the millions of smart scholars couldnt find it out? There is a lot of these threads out there and it is typical because when you check the OP sources it always come from Anti-Islam Political websites based on the events after 9-11.

Now you may continue with your Hadiths and keep going to non muslims to learn about Islam or political websites. But you wont fool any muslim who knows about their religion. Sorry for my ranting I am done with this thread.
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drizza wrote:

Ok honestly muslims should be done with this thread lol it is B.S. If your going to teach Islam through Hadiths please create another Islam-Watch website and you can gather all the confused muslims or the non muslims there and teach them every thing you heard from a political leader from Iran then call it Islam.


You may actually want to give inputs and discuss rather than calling this thread a BS. FYI, Hadiths are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded by all traditional schools of jurisprudence as important tools for determining the Muslim way of life, the sunnah.


Sure I gave you input I told you are basically quoting what someone says in Iran and basing that one mans statement as the whole of what Islam teaches. Also dealing with Hadiths I told you there were fake ones out there and Hadiths are only true if the statement in there is based off what the Quran teaches. If not it is fake I mean what more do you want to hear? I showed your author was on his website as he even admitted he didnt know much about Islam. So please you dont have to show me the "Muslim way of life" or talk about "sunnah" what can a non muslim who never studied the religion teach a muslim? Billions of muslims around the world and you are finally able to find some secret that we really do accept homosexuality and beastuality in the religion while the millions of smart scholars couldnt find it out? There is a lot of these threads out there and it is typical because when you check the OP sources it always come from Anti-Islam Political websites based on the events after 9-11.

Now you may continue with your Hadiths and keep going to non muslims to learn about Islam or political websites. But you wont fool any muslim who knows about their religion. Sorry for my ranting I am done with this thread.



Are Christians going to give you the best unbiased account of their religion? Are Muslims going to give you the best unbiased account of their religion? Neither are. The best thing to do is consult both sources and some ones with not stake in the argument, and use some rational thinking.

As to pedophilia in general in Muslim traditions, it would be stupid to not expect it, for you see, Muslim came from a time where such practices where acceptable to varying degrees. Back in the day of Isreal's history, we would find the same thing. Christianity is a bit different, but that is due to a 'all sex is bad' attitude which gripped that religion not long after it started (the first signs was from Paul's own writings, which treated sex as something one should avoid unless they were weak in the flesh). The question we should really ask is if they have left those practices behind. Some of a subgroup of Muslims have been a bit slow on jumping aboard the 'protect the children' ship, and due to the nature of theocracy, this ideal is present in some countries. Yet, to say it applies to all Muslims is as stupid as saying that all Christians believe they must pray to Mary. My experience with Muslims is limitted, but any modern day Muslim I have met considers sexual abuse of children wrong. The problem is some Muslims are still living in the dark ages, and there happens to be more Muslims living in such a way than Christians (though in fact some still are, just look at some of the Christian groups in Africa).


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The Bible doesn't teach that sex is bad, it just lays down morals. Marital sex is something God created, if it was a bad thing none of us would exist. And when Paul says we should avoid sex he is saying it is better to not marry and devote your life solely to God (and not a family), but it is still good to have one. Here are those verses.
1Cr 7:32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord.
1Cr 7:33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife-
1Cr 7:34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world-how she can please her husband.
1Cr 7:35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
1Cr 7:36 If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.
1Cr 7:37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin-this man also does the right thing.
1Cr 7:38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better. [fn]
1Cr 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
1Cr 7:40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is-and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

It is best to live a life with God first and not your wife as the priority.
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The Bible doesn't teach that sex is bad, it just lays down morals. Marital sex is something God created, if it was a bad thing none of us would exist. And when Paul says we should avoid sex he is saying it is better to not marry and devote your life solely to God (and not a family), but it is still good to have one. Here are those verses.
1Cr 7:32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord.
1Cr 7:33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife-
1Cr 7:34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world-how she can please her husband.
1Cr 7:35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
1Cr 7:36 If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.
1Cr 7:37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin-this man also does the right thing.
1Cr 7:38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better. [fn]
1Cr 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
1Cr 7:40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is-and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

It is best to live a life with God first and not your wife as the priority.


The Bible does not teach sex in marriage as being a sin, but it does look down upon it (at least, Paul does in his writing to not marry unless you would otherwise burn with lust). Paul says "It is better to not marry so that we may serve the Lord" (of course, this is not litterally what he originally said, but I doubt many here understand the language of which he spoke). Not too far later on, there was quite a lot of negativity put on sex by leaders of Christianity.

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digs wrote:

The Bible doesn't teach that sex is bad, it just lays down morals. Marital sex is something God created, if it was a bad thing none of us would exist. And when Paul says we should avoid sex he is saying it is better to not marry and devote your life solely to God (and not a family), but it is still good to have one. Here are those verses.
1Cr 7:32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord.
1Cr 7:33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife-
1Cr 7:34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world-how she can please her husband.
1Cr 7:35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
1Cr 7:36 If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.
1Cr 7:37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin-this man also does the right thing.
1Cr 7:38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better. [fn]
1Cr 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
1Cr 7:40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is-and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

It is best to live a life with God first and not your wife as the priority.


The Bible does not teach sex in marriage as being a sin, but it does look down upon it (at least, Paul does in his writing to not marry unless you would otherwise burn with lust). Paul says "It is better to not marry so that we may serve the Lord" (of course, this is not litterally what he originally said, but I doubt many here understand the language of which he spoke). Not too far later on, there was quite a lot of negativity put on sex by leaders of Christianity.



He doesn't look down upon it, he still calls it good. However, he does say it is better to live a life without marriage and devote to God the time and energy you would devote to your family. To live a life that wants to please God and not your wife. He says it is better, but he also says the man who marries still does what is good. What Christianity teaches is that sex is to be between a husband and wife, and their sexual relationship is to be pure and not sexually immoral.
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Just because some Muslim guy says it doesn't mean it's a part of Islam. All this info looks like it's coming from ridiculous sources, if it's not from the Quran or a legitimate Hadith then there's no way you can say it's actually part of what Islam teaches.

And you need to separate the actions of Muslims from the teachings of Islam, just because some Muslims blow themselves up or oppress people doesn't mean it's allowed by Islam.


Have you read the Koran? In particular, Muhammed(the prophet) taking a nine-year old girl as a wife? The article is based on Islamic evidences I think.


Just to begin : I don't see any harm of a man having a nine year old wife, as long as she understands what's happening. I'm not defending pedophilia, I'm just saying that if the girl wasn't forced or abused or treated badly (which is not a part of Islam), and if she knows and comprehends what's going on, and the position she's in, then I don't see anything wrong.
Aisha, the wife of the prophet you were talking about, was said to be between the ages of 9-14 when she was wedded.
Child marriages were common WAY before the revelation of the Quran, and you have to know that the little girls of that time are not the same as the little girls of today. Also,whatever the age of a muslim wife, no where in Islam does it say that it is allowed for her to be treated badly, or to be raped by her husband, or to force her to do anything. I saw somehwere in your post that muslim women are slaves ... Do you know how marriages in Islam work? The muslim woman has has a very high position in Islam, and especially the wife. The man who asked the girl's hand is obliged to provide everything for her, and normally she wouldn't even have to lift a finger. And it's not Islam's fault if some people don't understand this and just abuse their wives.

Who is this ayatollah person? That Iranian guy? Is he qualified for making up these kinds of bullshit ?(pardon the word).
Is he a scholar or what? All the stuff you wrote about bestiality and what not is bull, I'm sorry. I don't even consider it worth a reply.

Also, to the person who made this thread : What is your aim of making this thread? You don't want muslim babysitters, ok. Or are you unclear about these subjects and how they stand in Islam?

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Yei wrote:

Just because some Muslim guy says it doesn't mean it's a part of Islam. All this info looks like it's coming from ridiculous sources, if it's not from the Quran or a legitimate Hadith then there's no way you can say it's actually part of what Islam teaches.

And you need to separate the actions of Muslims from the teachings of Islam, just because some Muslims blow themselves up or oppress people doesn't mean it's allowed by Islam.


Have you read the Koran? In particular, Muhammed(the prophet) taking a nine-year old girl as a wife? The article is based on Islamic evidences I think.


HELLO. she was mature AND it was like,ages ago, having a youngwife was OK backthen koran didnt say, go marry a child, if she is physicly mature then its OK.
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Those are from Hadtiths, not from the Quran. The prophet marrying a nine-year old may have some bad implications but I have heard many explanations about this, like that it was just common in society at the time.

And what about the rest of the stuff in the article?


Well, with the Shiite Muslims believe that Islamic officials such as the mufti, imams, and caliphs are divinely appointed and that they’re direct messengers of God. They also accept all of the Hadith and feel that the Sunni are simply picking and choosing which ones they do and do not want to believe. So, you don’t actually have to cite the Qur’an if you’re discussing Shiites. The Sunni are a bit more diverse, largely because many of them live in the western world. The practices before mentioned, however, are in practice if not ideology a part of Islamic culture and tradition.
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drizza wrote:

Ok honestly muslims should be done with this thread lol it is B.S. If your going to teach Islam through Hadiths please create another Islam-Watch website and you can gather all the confused muslims or the non muslims there and teach them every thing you heard from a political leader from Iran then call it Islam.


Well, for millions and millions of Muslims that –is- Islam and –you’re- the one manipulating the religion to suit your desires. .
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