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Uh-oh, this topic seems to have turned a little tense...

A classic Norman Finkelstein moment should ease things up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyDrP2EsYGo

lol he's such a badass
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To be honest I know no human being is perfect muslims included. Yes there are some muslims that engage in homosexual and beastuality activities just like every other human being on this earth. This isnt apart of the religion and they probably know that they are sinning but they are going to do what they want. Saddam Hussien how dare he call himself a muslim when he wages war on a fellow muslim country next door. It wasnt because of his religion it is because thats how the bastard was. I am not perfect I made tons of mistakes and sins in my life. We are human thats what we do but why only with Islam we try to say this is how muslims act?
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As valid as some of the arguments in this thread have been, It's all absolutely pointless. If humans are guilty of one thing it's not learning from the past, and hasn't history shown us that we CAN'T CHANGE WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE?!
Okay, so you don't agree with what goes on in a country, what are you going to do about it?

Bitch about it? Nothing will change.
Send them a letter? Nothing will change.
Stomp up and down outside government buildings with protest signs? Nothing will change.
Invade and give them 'Democracy'? Think we've seen how that works out.

Quite frankly, there's so much exageration, misinformation and bullshit floating around western media and the internet, and no shortage of stupid people who believe anything they read or hear, that it's no surprise there are certain Islamic groups trying to kill us! Seriously, give it a bloody rest. Even if there is something going on in a certain nation that you happen to disagree with, it's THEIR COUNTRY, just leave them to it. That sounds harsh and uncaring, and in all honesty I guess it is, but it's fact. If a populace doesn't like the way something is going, they will change it eventually. The moment we in the west march in with flags held high and promises of peace and democracy, is the moment they all turn against us, and rightly bloody so. I wouldnt want some arrogant countries waltzing into my town and telling me how I should live my life! Our morals come from the social environment we are brought up in. If you lived in a country where a certain aspect of any of this went on, you wouldn't blink an eyelid.

So to close, it's time that we in the west stopped convincing ourselves that we're always in the right and just left everyone else alone. You can't change anything, if you try someone somewhere will end up resenting you for it, and yet more violence will ensue.
Just give it a bloody rest. Please.
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drizza wrote:

To be honest I know no human being is perfect muslims included. Yes there are some muslims that engage in homosexual and beastuality activities just like every other human being on this earth. This isnt apart of the religion and they probably know that they are sinning but they are going to do what they want. Saddam Hussien how dare he call himself a muslim when he wages war on a fellow muslim country next door. It wasnt because of his religion it is because thats how the bastard was. I am not perfect I made tons of mistakes and sins in my life. We are human thats what we do but why only with Islam we try to say this is how muslims act?


I completely agree. There's nothing I hate more than labeling

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As valid as some of the arguments in this thread have been, It's all absolutely pointless. If humans are guilty of one thing it's not learning from the past, and hasn't history shown us that we CAN'T CHANGE WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE?!
Okay, so you don't agree with what goes on in a country, what are you going to do about it?

Bitch about it? Nothing will change.
Send them a letter? Nothing will change.
Stomp up and down outside government buildings with protest signs? Nothing will change.
Invade and give them 'Democracy'? Think we've seen how that works out.

Quite frankly, there's so much exageration, misinformation and bullshit floating around western media and the internet, and no shortage of stupid people who believe anything they read or hear, that it's no surprise there are certain Islamic groups trying to kill us! Seriously, give it a bloody rest. Even if there is something going on in a certain nation that you happen to disagree with, it's THEIR COUNTRY, just leave them to it. That sounds harsh and uncaring, and in all honesty I guess it is, but it's fact. If a populace doesn't like the way something is going, they will change it eventually. The moment we in the west march in with flags held high and promises of peace and democracy, is the moment they all turn against us, and rightly bloody so. I wouldnt want some arrogant countries waltzing into my town and telling me how I should live my life! Our morals come from the social environment we are brought up in. If you lived in a country where a certain aspect of any of this went on, you wouldn't blink an eyelid.

So to close, it's time that we in the west stopped convincing ourselves that we're always in the right and just left everyone else alone. You can't change anything, if you try someone somewhere will end up resenting you for it, and yet more violence will ensue.
Just give it a bloody rest. Please.


I think it's time this thread gets deleted
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I completely agree
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Everyone lets thank Seraph for explaining the situation. I could have sworn at first he was calling my dog a dipshit instead of me because I called him a know it all first. But now that you cleared it up I now know why I have been called one. Thank you Captain Obvious.

Ok but for real I am not surprised that out of all the people I would get a response from a conflict that has nothing to do with them would be you. You almost never respond to me I guess this is the, "Now is the time to strike Drizza" moment. I dont care about your extreme views toward Islam as you do have them, (I have read your other threads especially, "The Muslim Religion" and the one talking about Islam isnt a sec of Christianity something along those lines. "Muhammad is a homophobe") So it comes to no surprise that you agree with the views of the OP and others. But you see me it becomes an eye sore when you have to read stuff people type to you with no proof. Where are these millions of muslims numbers gotten from? What statistic? The other question is if so how did they find it out of the Quran? What book was they reading none of this is in the Quran so how can they define this as Islam. Anyone can pull random numbers I can easily say millions of Christian pastors believe pedophilia is apart of the religion based of the stories I see on the news. But thats ignorant stereotype because I know the religion doesn't support it. Bring me the facts and I will offer my humble apologies otherwise I will keep the dipshit title .


I wasn’t attacking you, we used to be friends. I simply acknowledged your comment because I wanted the conversation Ahaz was attempting to start with you to go on. I probably would’ve jumped in, probably on your side seeing the way things have turned.

You can certainly find controversial comments I made about Islam if you go back to those posts that I made…what, two years ago? Yet, I’ve entered into college and been better educated since then. I apologized for my misinformed statements multiple times and revamped my thread on Islam. I was even invited into and became an active member of the Muslim group here on Crunchy Roll.

Some of the Muslim friends I made in this group later came and read my second, scholarly essays on Islam. Here, if you’re interested, are some of the comments they left:


There’s nothing radical about my view on Islam. Yes, once upon a time I--like many American youths--was biased against the religion. But I’ve grown up. You can read my essays on Islam here:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/group/Religion/forum?extra_param=142094&page=1#s=/group/Religion/forum%3Fextra_param%3D142094%26page%3D0

I also argued here in the public forum that Allah and Elohim are two separate entities. I have since changed my mind. Actually, in my survey of world religions class I wrote an essay concluding and arguing the exact opposite. I think I still have it around here somewhere, and would be happy to send it to you.


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Now then, to get to the topic I wanted to hear discussed, you asked for sources. As you know the opener of this thread started by citing Khomeini. Ahaz then came around and said that millions of Muslims believe the opinions expressed in this citation are truly a part of Islam. Some quick research into who Khomeini is will show that he’s not at all incorrect. Khomeini was an Imam and an admired one

"Even from the grave, Ayatollah Khomeini - so reviled and feared in the West, still so beloved by millions of the faithful here - is continuing to command influence in the nation that he led as its supreme spiritual leader for nearly 10 years."- Shenon Philip in “Khomeini's Tomb Attracts Pilgrims," The New York Times, 8 July 1990.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini

So, to those Muslims who followed this particular Imam’s teachings, believed everything he said, these perverse acts are in fact a part of the Islamic religion.
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Well I apologize I have to work on jumping the gun on others seriously. I dont know why I do this it is just when you hear the same accusations the same statements and people telling you this is how you act it gets annoying. Yes we did use to be friends and I would like to keep it that way. I will work on not making my responses so aggressive to views I dont believe with as I seen you have. It is nice that you got educated about Islam. You are very educated perhaps to educated for your own good and some of the blogs you type amazes me. I dont want to be seen as the "angry muslim" so from today I will work on it.
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Well I apologize I have to work on jumping the gun on others seriously. I dont know why I do this it is just when you hear the same accusations the same statements and people telling you this is how you act it gets annoying. Yes we did use to be friends and I would like to keep it that way. I will work on not making my responses so aggressive to views I dont believe with as I seen you have. It is nice that you got educated about Islam. You are very educated perhaps to educated for your own good and some of the blogs you type amazes me. I dont want to be seen as the "angry muslim" so from today I will work on it.


Hey, don’t sweat it. But, my blogs change too. You know I was once a pro-choice, atheist, republican who didn’t believe in global warming and condemned gay marriage? Now I’m essentially the opposite. And I'm glad we can come eye to eye. Thanks for being mature.
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yo drizza I got one for ya how old do you think Mary was when she was pregnant with jesus?? She had to be no older than 14 years old so well lets see that makes a God a pedophile by to day standards ha ha ha ha lol xP i think it's time for balance in this thread


Christians are the ones who think God conceived Jesus through Mary. Muslims believe that Jesus was made from the soil like Adam, and simply born form a virgin. It was a miracle but didn’t involve God baring a child out of a child. Christians don't believe she was forteen, or that God had sex. Just that she was chosen to carry the messiah. Also, in Sweden it’s legal to have sex with fifteen year old girls. Women of different cultures mature at different rates based on life style. In that time, a 14 year old was likely to be physically, mentally, and emotionally the equivalent of a modern adult woman.
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yo drizza I got one for ya how old do you think Mary was when she was pregnant with jesus?? She had to be no older than 14 years old so well lets see that makes a God a pedophile by to day standards ha ha ha ha lol xP i think it's time for balance in this thread


Christians are the ones who think God conceived Jesus through Mary. Muslims believe that Jesus was made from the soil like Adam, and simply born form a virgin. It was a miracle but didn’t involve God baring a child out of a child. Christians don't believe she was forteen, or that God had sex. Just that she was chosen to carry the messiah.


But back then they didn't live to be much older then 20-25, 30 tops, so she would have been really young when "pregnant" with jesus. So by todays standards, god is a pedophile. Since she would have been rather young.
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yo drizza I got one for ya how old do you think Mary was when she was pregnant with jesus?? She had to be no older than 14 years old so well lets see that makes a God a pedophile by to day standards ha ha ha ha lol xP i think it's time for balance in this thread


Christians are the ones who think God conceived Jesus through Mary. Muslims believe that Jesus was made from the soil like Adam, and simply born form a virgin. It was a miracle but didn’t involve God baring a child out of a child. Christians don't believe she was forteen, or that God had sex. Just that she was chosen to carry the messiah.


But back then they didn't live to be much older then 20-25, 30 tops, so she would have been really young when "pregnant" with jesus. So by todays standards, god is a pedophile. Since she would have been rather young.


Pedophile: adult with sexual desire for children: an adult who has sexual desire for children or who has committed the crime of sex with a child Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

God doesn’t have any sexual desires and did not have sex with Marry, he is in no way a pedophile and you know it, Odin. Don’t be so biased that you’re willing to intentionally twist the truth and use false logic to argue an incorrect point. Also, take a glance at my last post. The standard of what a child is varies with one culture to the next, even today. There is no ‘modern,’ standard for pedophiles. There’s simply the standard of varying nations, which hardly dictate the ultimate truth of reality. Just because America says someone’s a pedophile doesn’t mean they are. I personally find America’s standards on this absurd.

I think there should be a test, administered by psychologists, to tell of the mental and emotional maturity of a girl. Another test by a doctor to show that the girl is physically mature enough for sex. If the girl passes all these tests, demonstrating adult maturity in all areas, I don’t care if she’s twelve years fresh from the womb. She’s the virtual equivalent of an adult.
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yo drizza I got one for ya how old do you think Mary was when she was pregnant with jesus?? She had to be no older than 14 years old so well lets see that makes a God a pedophile by to day standards ha ha ha ha lol xP i think it's time for balance in this thread


Christians are the ones who think God conceived Jesus through Mary. Muslims believe that Jesus was made from the soil like Adam, and simply born form a virgin. It was a miracle but didn’t involve God baring a child out of a child. Christians don't believe she was forteen, or that God had sex. Just that she was chosen to carry the messiah. Also, in Sweden it’s legal to have sex with fifteen year old girls. Women of different cultures mature at different rates based on life style. In that time, a 14 year old was likely to be physically, mentally, and emotionally the equivalent of a modern adult woman.


yeah I know i just think it's ironic by to day's standards lol. yeah i know all that but still i hate people labeling a whole group of people and calling them pedo's etc, that's like saying all catholic priest are pedo's or the Jewish people are. also thanks for info on the way Muslims believe that Jesus was created I did not know that ti-bit of info
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Now then, to get to the topic I wanted to hear discussed, you asked for sources. As you know the opener of this thread started by citing Khomeini. Ahaz then came around and said that millions of Muslims believe the opinions expressed in this citation are truly a part of Islam. Some quick research into who Khomeini is will show that he’s not at all incorrect. Khomeini was an Imam and an admired one

"Even from the grave, Ayatollah Khomeini - so reviled and feared in the West, still so beloved by millions of the faithful here - is continuing to command influence in the nation that he led as its supreme spiritual leader for nearly 10 years."- Shenon Philip in “Khomeini's Tomb Attracts Pilgrims," The New York Times, 8 July 1990.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini

So, to those Muslims who followed this particular Imam’s teachings, believed everything he said, these perverse acts are in fact a part of the Islamic religion.


That scares me...
But, I have a question. Isn't sodomy forbidden in Islam? How can he be preaching this to others?
and how is it that for the people who followed this Imam, these perverse acts are a part of Islam?

Khomeini was a marja or marja al-taqlid, ("source of emulation"), (also known as a Grand Ayatollah) in Twelver Shi'a Islam, but is most famous for his political role.

Religion : Usuli Twelver Shi'a Islam

I don't know anything about Shia muslims and what they practice...
Hm. This information alone closes the subject for me.

Thanks for your posts Seraph.
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