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Posted 7/7/09 , edited 7/7/09

Lucky_star101 wrote:

dbsk is 100% orginal that bitch stole it she needs to back the fuck off


okay...

Now that I look back, I really don't know what happened

Netizens say that Sarah released her song before DBSK

but

Other Netizens say that she bought it off DBSK

but

Some other Netizens say that there was a 2-month gap between the two


Who Knows?
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Posted 7/7/09

Belinda_rocks wrote:

the producers for the song MIROTIC sold both rights to Sarah C and DBSK, so how could they have copied it?


okay...

Now that I look back, I really don't know what happened

Netizens say that Sarah released her song before DBSK

but

Other Netizens say that she bought it off DBSK

but

Some other Netizens say that there was a 2-month gap between the two



Who Knows?
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erxmeeza wrote:

As for mirotic, it is not copied. The producer of mirotic sold it to Sarah C & SM entertainment.. so how in the hell it call copied. as far as i know copied mean, someone else claim the song to be his and do a little bit changing on the song. as for DBSK, they already said that, the song is european 's composer ..just check out mirotic PV behind the scene...


Sorry.

I know, COPY is such a harsh word. I tried to use it in the least harshess way. I respect your post as a good lesson/lecture for me.

but according to my Internet resources....

Netizens say that Sarah released her song before DBSK

but

Other Netizens say that she bought it off DBSK

but

Some other Netizens say that there was a 2-month gap between the two


Who Knows?


It's really a mystery between SM and Sarach C


Please don't get me wrong because my Intentions were good

(and I edited the first post so please check that [= and I like your Avatar... )

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Can anyone explain why:

1. Why x_Twilight_x had to claim that all listed music was "copied" even though every songs listed were rightful copyright product? Your misuse of word of "copy" can lead to work against you during court (since you challenged SM for false accusement). Your use of "copy" was definately meant "Infringement of copyright", which often occurred in undevelopped countries, which is not the case for korean songs. Actual suit is depend on how wealthy you are - as SM should pay big deal of money to its lawyers - and they expect to recover it from you: anything else shall be a bonus, so if you are already broke/very poor, they won't sue you. Another possibility is to sue multiple false accusers which will raise more money so that cover lawsuit expense of SM.

2. Why coofoo_ had to claim that all the korean musics are "copying" ? but he/she still loves it? LOL
In this case, he/she chose whole korean music industry as a target - which is clever he won't get sued, even though he is lying. There are chinese illegal copy products are all over ther world, but we don't say "chinese products are all illegal junk:", because there might be good legal product somewhere. Music is a creative product - which means copyright is utmost important in its origin. If DBSK or SNSD did "copied", most of fans (at least in Korea) will blame them - and usually their career shall face the end. Just imagine: You bought legal copy of SNSD songs and love it - but suppose you found our that SNSD did infringement of copyright of other songs (without paying for it) - then, you can understand the rage of fans. Try to buy your favorate music - Chinese or whatever - by paying real cash, then you will get the idea.

Some US, swedish composers wrote songs for SM singers - that's it. (period)

but x_Twilight_x and coofoo_ wants to call it a "copy" but Why?


Sorry.

As I said above, COPY is such a harsh word. I respect your post as well as the user above.

Please don't get me wrong because sometimes my English direct the other way

I'll turn COPY into Painting terms :::

It's like painting the Mona Lisa again, it's not entirely perfect but it's very similiar. The eyes can be a little off or the dress is the color yellow


It's the same, but different
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Posted 7/7/09
ALL DBSK'S FAN NEED TO GET A LIFE! GEEZ ARE YOU STUPID THE SONG DON'T BELONG TO YOUR FUCKING GROUP OR SARAH! It was written and produced by Danish songwriters Remee, Lucas Secon and Thomas Troelsen.
Troelsen produced Shinee's new single "Love Like Oxygen" as well as TVXQ's single "Mirotic".

SOURCE WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Troelsen
Posted 7/7/09
They have the right to reproduce the same beat(song) because they purchased it from the writers. I don't think there's really a legal problem with it. SM admitted/ explained that Juliette is a remake of Deal with it. Same with the other songs like Insomnia, Love like Oxygen, Mirotic, etc. I believe Korean entertainment is not stupid enough to produce songs without the permission of the owners. I don't think they're not claiming it as theirs because, if they do, why would they mention that their songs was written or made by other people? or why do the owners did not filed cases against the producers?

And I don't think Korean people make a big deal with. As long as they are entertained, it's okay with them. After all, the purpose of producing music, whether it's the same or different, is to entertain people.

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Posted 7/7/09
CORRECTION WONDER GIRLS NOT A PART OF SM ENT... but yea someone imitated them XD


i already noticed that SM just LOOvvessss to copy or "remake" songs.... i mean it's predictable of LeeSooMan to let this happen XD or have this idea and one answer,

IT's SHOWBIZ...
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Posted 7/7/09
the writers can sell their songs to whoever they like. sm didn't copy anybody. they bought the rights. many music companies do this not just sm. it's common for a music company to buy the rights for a song for one of their artists to cover or remake. many people tend to think a song belongs to the artist(s). this is wrong. it belongs to the writer unless ownership is transferred. the only time it belongs to the aritst(s) is when they write the song themselves.

copying aka plagiarizing someone else's music is illegal under copyright law. if shinee had copied, then their ass would have been sued and all those gossip magazines would be going crazy.
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x_Twilight_x wrote:


erxmeeza wrote:

As for mirotic, it is not copied. The producer of mirotic sold it to Sarah C & SM entertainment.. so how in the hell it call copied. as far as i know copied mean, someone else claim the song to be his and do a little bit changing on the song. as for DBSK, they already said that, the song is european 's composer ..just check out mirotic PV behind the scene...


Sorry.

I know, COPY is such a harsh word. I tried to use it in the least harshess way. I respect your post as a good lesson/lecture for me.

but according to my Internet resources....

Netizens say that Sarah released her song before DBSK

but

Other Netizens say that she bought it off DBSK

but

Some other Netizens say that there was a 2-month gap between the two


Who Knows?


It's really a mystery between SM and Sarach C


Please don't get me wrong because my Intentions were good

(and I edited the first post so please check that [= and I like your Avatar... )



no worries , i didn't mean to give u a lecture ..thanks for the compliment .. i got that avatar from one of avatar making 's group
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Posted 7/7/09

x_Twilight_x wrote:


Belinda_rocks wrote:

the producers for the song MIROTIC sold both rights to Sarah C and DBSK, so how could they have copied it?


okay...

Now that I look back, I really don't know what happened

Netizens say that Sarah released her song before DBSK

but

Other Netizens say that she bought it off DBSK

but

Some other Netizens say that there was a 2-month gap between the two



Who Knows?



It doesn't matter who released it first, what does matter is that none of them copied each other. Like i said before since the song was sold to them both then it's not considered COPYING. SM isn't stupid enough to copy/ plagiarize someone Else's work without any permission or authorization to do so.

"The title song was composed by the Danish producers, Remee, Lucas Secon and Thomas Troelsen. The German singer, Sarah Connor, also bought the copyright to the song (not specified when). Despite the fact that the two original songs were the same composed piece, they have musical differences (TVXQ's version has a rap and multi-layered harmonies while Connor's has a bridge; the melodies in the chorus also differ)." - wiki.


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Posted 7/7/09
mirotic isnt copied.
the writer sold it to both of them.
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Posted 7/7/09 , edited 7/7/09
idiot alert
just by looking i can tell that u have no idea how licences and patents work


and fyi nothing in music is original
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Posted 7/8/09

qwertyuiopz wrote:

idiot alert
just by looking i can tell that u have no idea how licences and patents work


and fyi nothing in music is original


excuse me but I don't think I'm the idiot around here.


I think I know how licences and patents work more than what you know about me

and lots about music is orginal, and by looking at you I think you've never heard of uniqueness or difference

(know how it feels when someone get you wrong?)



I don't see a 13 member boy-band like Super Junior everyday ::: ORIGINAL

I never thought High-Pitch screaming from Michael Jackson can be used ::: ORIGINAL

I would have never thought of "I want Nobody, Nobody, but you" but I see Wonder Girls pull it off ::: ORIGINAL

I would have never thought honesty and creative can be put into a song about dancing in NightClub, but Lady Gaga's "Just Dance" seemed to make it ::: ORIGINAL


And yes some of the artist may have bought rights or shared songs but in their way it's ORIGINAL


Consider what you say/post first before you get people wrong and start hurting their feelings...
Posted 7/11/09
I think the word your looking for is inspiration? The word copy is such a blatant term. Your choice of words make it seems like SM had done something illegal.
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I don't think you can count DBSK as a musical group, considering they don't even write their own music. Pretty sad.


Reproducing is the correct term for when a band uses an already known riff or section of song and uses it in a different song. Like that stupid Greenday super band thingy that used Iggy Pop's "My Generation" as the basis for the whole song, or when that dickhead used "You Spin Me Round" by Dead or Alive and just rewrote the lyrics and changed the beat. Hip Hop artists are also guilty of using other entire songs and then claiming them as new just because they changed the lyrics. It's nothing new and nothing to be surprised about.
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